Which DF jet is the fastest?
07-24-2002, 11:18 AM
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Which DF jet is the fastest?
I am thinking about getting the Yellow Aircraft F-18 or F-4 in ARF version. I am looking for a very fast DF jet that runs an OS91. Anyone know how fast these 2 jets will fly?
07-24-2002, 11:43 AM
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Which DF jet is the fastest?
If you are looking for VERY fast DF you ned to try and find either a BVM Aggressor 3 or Ultra Viper. Both of these were 200+ mph DF jets. Both of the planes you mentioned are going to be a little more draggy than either of these planes.
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07-24-2002, 04:42 PM
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I have seen a bunch of the yellow f18s fly. I wouldn't consider them speed demons, though they make nice scale flights.
If you want to stick to the OS91 power plant then I suggest you look at Yellow's Starfire II ARF. That's a pretty speedy plane that also slows down nicely on landing.
David is right though, if you are a speed freak and can fly well enough to handle 200 mph and over, then go looking for a BVM Aggressor II or III or a Viper or Ultra Viper. I recall these jets being clocked at 225 consistently.
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If you want to stick to the OS91 power plant then I suggest you look at Yellow's Starfire II ARF. That's a pretty speedy plane that also slows down nicely on landing.
David is right though, if you are a speed freak and can fly well enough to handle 200 mph and over, then go looking for a BVM Aggressor II or III or a Viper or Ultra Viper. I recall these jets being clocked at 225 consistently.
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07-24-2002, 06:27 PM
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I did see one once that seemed to jump across the sky it was going so fast. I think the owner had done some inlet mods - like making thicker, rounded inlet lips. That thing was in that upper league of speed planes with the vipers, etc. Not why I'd buy an F-18 though.
07-25-2002, 04:16 PM
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Which DF jet is the fastest?
Get a Trim Air Spectre. They're easily a 220+ machine and have won several "fastest jet" awards at UK fly-ins. They are cheap (less than 1/2 the cost of BV jets) and look good too.
I ordered one directly from Trim in Australia with Ramtech fan, fiberglass after faring, clear canopy, and starter probe for about $600 shipped.
I ordered one directly from Trim in Australia with Ramtech fan, fiberglass after faring, clear canopy, and starter probe for about $600 shipped.
07-25-2002, 08:13 PM
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Which DF jet is the fastest?
My Ultra Viper with a 91 is almost as fast as my Bandit with a trubine. Landing the Viper is also easier than the Bandit...FYI
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Which DF jet is the fastest?
The other one that is quick is a MAS Renegade. A little smaller than a Bandit. Not only does it go fast (clocked at up to 220mph) but also an exceptional allround flyer.
The Trim Spectre also flys well and also goes pretty damn fast, althought it has a lot less wing area and the fueslage is a lot tighter.
However, the original thread was asking about an ARF and neither of these quite fall into that category, although the Deluxe Renegade kit is highly pre-fabricated.
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The Trim Spectre also flys well and also goes pretty damn fast, althought it has a lot less wing area and the fueslage is a lot tighter.
However, the original thread was asking about an ARF and neither of these quite fall into that category, although the Deluxe Renegade kit is highly pre-fabricated.
Regards,
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07-25-2002, 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by PR38
Get a Trim Air Spectre. They're easily a 220+ machine and have won several "fastest jet" awards at UK fly-ins. They are cheap (less than 1/2 the cost of BV jets) and look good too.
I ordered one directly from Trim in Australia with Ramtech fan, fiberglass after faring, clear canopy, and starter probe for about $600 shipped.
Get a Trim Air Spectre. They're easily a 220+ machine and have won several "fastest jet" awards at UK fly-ins. They are cheap (less than 1/2 the cost of BV jets) and look good too.
I ordered one directly from Trim in Australia with Ramtech fan, fiberglass after faring, clear canopy, and starter probe for about $600 shipped.
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07-25-2002, 09:30 PM
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The other post pretty much sum it up. Scale jets just aren't clean enough to get much over 140 to 160 mph at best.
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Paul Ivie's BVM Ultra Viper
4 runs over 250 MPH (255.6 best)
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4 runs over 250 MPH (255.6 best)
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Fastest DF I know ..... :stupid:
07-27-2002, 08:33 AM
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Which DF jet is the fastest?
To answer your question,
The Hornet is the faster of the two. It will do 160 easy. I think the F-4 is less expensive, and less maint.-intensive, though. These guys are right about the BVM rockets, but you're probably not going to be able to use the engine you mentioned. Good luck with whatever you get, but if you want to get one of our ARFs, gimme an email, and I can save you a few bucks on it.
The Hornet is the faster of the two. It will do 160 easy. I think the F-4 is less expensive, and less maint.-intensive, though. These guys are right about the BVM rockets, but you're probably not going to be able to use the engine you mentioned. Good luck with whatever you get, but if you want to get one of our ARFs, gimme an email, and I can save you a few bucks on it.
07-27-2002, 03:14 PM
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Jimmy, yes the plans call for the wings to unbolt, but I built mine such that it was permanently fixed to the fuse (with clean fairings and whatnot). This signifcantly cleaned up the bird and looks neater too.
Garett is right, there isn't a lot of room for play. It is a tight airplane, but you should have no problem installing things if you get creative. I have flaps, retracts with doors, in-flight mixture, etc... I'll post some pics when I get my camera back.
The pic on Trim's web site doesn't do this bird justice. It is a sharp looking jet
Garett is right, there isn't a lot of room for play. It is a tight airplane, but you should have no problem installing things if you get creative. I have flaps, retracts with doors, in-flight mixture, etc... I'll post some pics when I get my camera back.
The pic on Trim's web site doesn't do this bird justice. It is a sharp looking jet
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Re: Spectre
Originally posted by PR38
Jimmy, yes the plans call for the wings to unbolt, but I built mine such that it was permanently fixed to the fuse (with clean fairings and whatnot). This signifcantly cleaned up the bird and looks neater too.
Garett is right, there isn't a lot of room for play. It is a tight airplane, but you should have no problem installing things if you get creative. I have flaps, retracts with doors, in-flight mixture, etc... I'll post some pics when I get my camera back.
The pic on Trim's web site doesn't do this bird justice. It is a sharp looking jet
Jimmy, yes the plans call for the wings to unbolt, but I built mine such that it was permanently fixed to the fuse (with clean fairings and whatnot). This signifcantly cleaned up the bird and looks neater too.
Garett is right, there isn't a lot of room for play. It is a tight airplane, but you should have no problem installing things if you get creative. I have flaps, retracts with doors, in-flight mixture, etc... I'll post some pics when I get my camera back.
The pic on Trim's web site doesn't do this bird justice. It is a sharp looking jet
maybe they get a large volume of e-mails. If I build it I would like to have flaps,retracts with doors, and in flight mixture as well. It sure looks nice. ThanksJimmy
07-28-2002, 03:19 AM
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Which DF jet is the fastest?
Hi Jimmy,
Trim can be a little slow on the email, but once you get their attention they are fine to deal with.
Try sending another email. If you don't hear back in a day or two, let me know I will call them and give them a hurry along.
PR38 is on the money, the photos on the Trim sight don't do the model justice.
Me, I think the Renegade is the way to go. Just as fast but with a lot more room and a LOT more wing area. I also prefer the look of the Renegade. A lot more pre-fab in the deluxe Renegade, but it is more expensive.
Regards,
Garrett
Trim can be a little slow on the email, but once you get their attention they are fine to deal with.
Try sending another email. If you don't hear back in a day or two, let me know I will call them and give them a hurry along.
PR38 is on the money, the photos on the Trim sight don't do the model justice.
Me, I think the Renegade is the way to go. Just as fast but with a lot more room and a LOT more wing area. I also prefer the look of the Renegade. A lot more pre-fab in the deluxe Renegade, but it is more expensive.
Regards,
Garrett
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Originally posted by garrett_mcdonal
Try sending another email. If you don't hear back in a day or two, let me know I will call them and give them a hurry along.
Try sending another email. If you don't hear back in a day or two, let me know I will call them and give them a hurry along.
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Originally posted by Brian W.
Anyone have a picture of a spectre with a good paint scheme? Would like to see one.
Thanks
Brian
Anyone have a picture of a spectre with a good paint scheme? Would like to see one.
Thanks
Brian
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yea, I've seen that turbine conversion before. Keep in mind the cheeks on the original are much larger.
That antenna just makes my skin crawl every time I see it. That guy has no idea how much drag that is. The tip tanks are pretty cool, but with such a small span, I just don't think it is necessary to have a bolt-on wing. Trim also has an F-20, very similar to the Spectre---the planforms are almost identical.
Speaking of Trim, they are sometimes slow at responding, but very friendly and knowledgeable when they do respond. Address your messages to Belinda at Trim. She has answered many questions for me and is very pleasant to talk to.
Hopefully I can get some pics of mine up soon.
Adam
That antenna just makes my skin crawl every time I see it. That guy has no idea how much drag that is. The tip tanks are pretty cool, but with such a small span, I just don't think it is necessary to have a bolt-on wing. Trim also has an F-20, very similar to the Spectre---the planforms are almost identical.
Speaking of Trim, they are sometimes slow at responding, but very friendly and knowledgeable when they do respond. Address your messages to Belinda at Trim. She has answered many questions for me and is very pleasant to talk to.
Hopefully I can get some pics of mine up soon.
Adam
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Hi Jimmy,
Drop Darren an email at [email protected] and he can either point you in the direction of a US dealer or you could probably just deal with him directly. Darren is very good to deal with.
Website is www.mas.net.au. Not much up there on the Renegade at the moment, but just check out the Vigilante page. Most of the details are the same, except for inlet, exhaust stuff and the Vig fuselage is a bit bigger than the Renegade.
I'll go grab some photos of how mine is coming along and post them later tonight or tomorrow.
Regards,
Garrett
Drop Darren an email at [email protected] and he can either point you in the direction of a US dealer or you could probably just deal with him directly. Darren is very good to deal with.
Website is www.mas.net.au. Not much up there on the Renegade at the moment, but just check out the Vigilante page. Most of the details are the same, except for inlet, exhaust stuff and the Vig fuselage is a bit bigger than the Renegade.
I'll go grab some photos of how mine is coming along and post them later tonight or tomorrow.
Regards,
Garrett
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The gear doors are particularly neat.
Out of the box, they are computer cut and just have a couple of itty-bitty little retainers. You glue the hinges in place, cut the notches, add the retaining lip and they're done.
Out of the box, they are computer cut and just have a couple of itty-bitty little retainers. You glue the hinges in place, cut the notches, add the retaining lip and they're done.
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Renegade
After looking at the Spectre, I think I like the looks of the renegade better. How much is the renegade kit in USD? Are the wings pre sheeted? Will it use spring air gear? I have a extra OS 91 and Ramtec fan lying around, I assume it will accept the ramtec?
By the way, for the original post on this thread, I have a Yellow F-4 and I absolutely love the thing. It's fast enough, and it looks so wicked when you do a low pass over the runway. I built mine from a kit, but it is my understanding that the ARFs are built strong and light, and look great too.
Thanks,
Brian
By the way, for the original post on this thread, I have a Yellow F-4 and I absolutely love the thing. It's fast enough, and it looks so wicked when you do a low pass over the runway. I built mine from a kit, but it is my understanding that the ARFs are built strong and light, and look great too.
Thanks,
Brian