Late last night i was asked by a smart ar*ed 13 year old what exactly the differnce was between.... AVTUR, JET-A1, Kerosene, Parafin, and Turpentine [:-]....I side stepped this by telling him i woud tell him in the morning...

Is there one ...? if so what...? And i Know what the next qustion will be.........Can Turbines run on any of these then..?

Help...

for the most part, the oil content.

kc

...OIL content.....?

Someone will probably give you a proper answer later, but as far as i know jets run on any of the above, but i dont know about Turpentine, Avtur is the aircraft industries name for Jet fuel,(aviatoin turbine fuel ?) As opposed to Avgas,(aviation Gasoline), which is aviation petrol. By the oil content, i can only assume that KC means the oil content that is naturally in these products.

I have taken 2 steps back from the screen to await the incoming flack & triple A, coming in from the boffins & BS merchants. He he. Ray.

[link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page]Wikipedia[/link] is your friend - just plug in kerosene, turpentine, etc. and see what comes up.

Mike

Wikipedia....the only user editable encyclopedia on the planet.
It is a user collaborative ongoing project that anyone with internet access can contibute to. This includes uninformed self proclaimed experts and the like.

Any user can edit anything on Wikipedia that they want to. Right or wrong, it goes into the definition, and ends up being considered "gospel" by the unknowing.
Read the third paragraph of "About Wikipedia" on their front page before you consider everything you read there to be factual and absolutely correct.

Harley Condra
BVM REP
JetCat REP

Ah yes, the omniscient Harley - please give us a break. Anybody can and should read the fine print - Wikipedia is only a start. [doh] It is not going to erroneously and maliciously define kerosene as a potential thermonuclear bomb that could detonate in the wrong hands and lead TREADSTONE, the 13 year old kid and his neighbors down a path of doom! [>:]

Mike

Hey Mike...lighten up! You know better than that! You must have got up on the wrong side of the rock this morning, and the altitude is getting to you.

Long time, no see.
Are you comming up to our meet this year? August 3,4,and 5 at Kalispell. We were hoping to see you last August, but you were a no-show. I understand that a couple of the other guys from Colorado are going to make it this year. Hope you can make it to.

Harley

Yeah, I just pulled my head from the paper bag/rebreather ... [lol] Let's not hijack the thread. [8D] I'll PM you with updates/intentions.

Mike

Casting my mind back to Chemistry classes ( when Pontious was an AC1 ) the differences between Kerosene, Parafin and White Spirit ( Turpentine ) are in the refining process during "cracking" the raw material. All are basically the same but just like the difference between a two year old malt whiskey and a ten year old malt.

Ian B

yes, just a 'for example', refine diesel to remove some of the oil content (refine it) and you've got JP8, refine it yet again it's JP4, again you've got Jet A1. the more refined, the lower the oil content. they all also have differing forms of CPC (corrosion preventative compounds) and anti-freeze. JP4 has benzene (one of those cancer causers) and hexane (neurotoxic) and JP8 doesn't so most of the US military changed to JP8, here at Rucker we did it in mid to late 90s.

kc

Doesn't JP-4 contain some gasoline fractions also?

Harley Condra
BVM REP
JetCat RERP

...So no definitve answers yet....


But....just as a trial thisafternoon we miXed up a Litre of "Turpintine substitue" from B&Q.....and compaired it to a new batch of Genuine AVTUR....both had the same amount of MBJII added per litre....The Specific gravity of each was identical.

Ran the Wren MW54 up on both fuels ...after flushing and purging ....alowing the turbine to cool to ambient ....4 starts.. 2 on each fuel IDENTICAL max TGT on starts ...@ idle and max PWR....

SO...?....

...any fires ??????????



[>:]

a 50/50 mix about the same as Jet B, Jet A (not Jet A1) has unleaded and paraffin oil in it FWIW.

kc