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10-14-2007 | 01:54 PM
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Waiver question
I am getting a waiver but in the mean time can I fly at my local field? The field is a county field open to everybody but they do have a small club with an AMA group.
10-14-2007 | 02:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: George
IF it is an AMA sanctioned field, then no you can't except for the provision stated by Edgar.
IF it is an AMA sanctioned field, then no you can't except for the provision stated by Edgar.
Kinda sucks, but that's the way the AMA has set it up.
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10-14-2007 | 03:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gordon Mc
while you are an AMA member you are always covered by AMA insurance and you are required to abide by the AMA regs ALL the time ; you can not simply decide that you can ignore the rules because you don't intend to rely on the AMA insurance at the time.
while you are an AMA member you are always covered by AMA insurance and you are required to abide by the AMA regs ALL the time ; you can not simply decide that you can ignore the rules because you don't intend to rely on the AMA insurance at the time.
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10-14-2007 | 03:40 PM
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RE: Waiver question
I agree. In my instance I will have to travel for a few hours to find the nearest turbine guy to sign me off for the waiver. I want the waiver so do not get the wrong idea. The safety officer at the ama club at the county public flying site told me I have to have a waiver to fly at the field. So I explained the field is two part, one an ama club which I am not a member and two an open to the public flying field.
10-14-2007 | 04:39 PM
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RE: Waiver question
You can fly all you want at a NON-sanctioned AMA field to your hearts content, but if you kill someone with your plane or damage property then YOU will be held liable. If you fly at an AMA SANCTIONED field without a turbine waiver then I suspect that you will be banned from that facility indefinitely, because if you crash their then they will be at fault and not covered for your negligence. Pretty straight forward.
If I were you, I would train, get proficient, go to a jet meet and get signed off. Its an easy process and even easier with the new rules. Then you are covered no matter what. There are tons of people on here willing to sign you off, providing you prove proficiency.
If I were you, I would train, get proficient, go to a jet meet and get signed off. Its an easy process and even easier with the new rules. Then you are covered no matter what. There are tons of people on here willing to sign you off, providing you prove proficiency.
10-14-2007 | 04:46 PM
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RE: Waiver question
I am getting the waiver but the field is a public facility. so where do I practice. No one here has a turbine waiver. I am the first to fly a turbine at this field.
10-14-2007 | 07:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: chipperg
I am getting the waiver but the field is a public facility. so where do I practice. No one here has a turbine waiver. I am the first to fly a turbine at this field.
I am getting the waiver but the field is a public facility. so where do I practice. No one here has a turbine waiver. I am the first to fly a turbine at this field.
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10-14-2007 | 07:45 PM
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If the AMA club does not have total control over the field i see no reason why
you cant fly there with out a waiver but I would try not to make waves and
only fly when the ones who object arent their, Thats what I and a buddy of
mine have done from time to time.
I too plan to get a waiver one day but when i first purchased my turbine
a few years ago i didnt realize there was so much red tape involved
in the waiver process, however in recent months it has improved a little.
I know of two other guys besides myself that have turbines and dont yet
have a waiver so we had to find ways to get in some practice. In fact it
has only been in the last three years or so that you could buddy box
on a turbine with out a waiver. I dont fly my turbine that much so it has
not been a problem so far.
you cant fly there with out a waiver but I would try not to make waves and
only fly when the ones who object arent their, Thats what I and a buddy of
mine have done from time to time.
I too plan to get a waiver one day but when i first purchased my turbine
a few years ago i didnt realize there was so much red tape involved
in the waiver process, however in recent months it has improved a little.
I know of two other guys besides myself that have turbines and dont yet
have a waiver so we had to find ways to get in some practice. In fact it
has only been in the last three years or so that you could buddy box
on a turbine with out a waiver. I dont fly my turbine that much so it has
not been a problem so far.
10-14-2007 | 08:45 PM
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practice with a non turbine plane, I did it with a ducted fan model.
Don't risk being banned from getting a waiver, perhaps for ever.
Go to jet meet's, get familiar with the process of turbine procedures etc.
Good luck, its worth the wait.
Bob
Don't risk being banned from getting a waiver, perhaps for ever.
Go to jet meet's, get familiar with the process of turbine procedures etc.
Good luck, its worth the wait.
Bob
10-14-2007 | 09:24 PM
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Chipperg. Have you checked out the Jet Pilots Organization web site? check with your district rep for JPO, maybe he can help you, his name is Dee Miller, Dee might be able to put you in contact with someone down there.
Here is the member link page from the JPO web site, there are atleast a dozen members in your area, give or take a few miles, that might be able to help you with getting your waiver.
link for the member page is: http://www.jetpilots.org/member_list.htm
and the link for JPO is: http://www.jetpilots.org/
Hope this can help
Mark
Here is the member link page from the JPO web site, there are atleast a dozen members in your area, give or take a few miles, that might be able to help you with getting your waiver.
link for the member page is: http://www.jetpilots.org/member_list.htm
and the link for JPO is: http://www.jetpilots.org/
Hope this can help
Mark
10-14-2007 | 10:41 PM
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ORIGINAL: limeybob
practice with a non turbine plane, I did it with a ducted fan model.
Don't risk being banned from getting a waiver, perhaps for ever.
Go to jet meet's, get familiar with the process of turbine procedures etc.
Good luck, its worth the wait.
Bob
practice with a non turbine plane, I did it with a ducted fan model.
Don't risk being banned from getting a waiver, perhaps for ever.
Go to jet meet's, get familiar with the process of turbine procedures etc.
Good luck, its worth the wait.
Bob
proper sign off you get the waiver.
10-14-2007 | 10:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: ianober
You can fly all you want at a NON-sanctioned AMA field to your hearts content, but if you kill someone with your plane or damage property then YOU will be held liable. If you fly at an AMA SANCTIONED field without a turbine waiver then I suspect that you will be banned from that facility indefinitely, because if you crash their then they will be at fault and not covered for your negligence. Pretty straight forward.
You can fly all you want at a NON-sanctioned AMA field to your hearts content, but if you kill someone with your plane or damage property then YOU will be held liable. If you fly at an AMA SANCTIONED field without a turbine waiver then I suspect that you will be banned from that facility indefinitely, because if you crash their then they will be at fault and not covered for your negligence. Pretty straight forward.
Let us know how you get on...
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10-14-2007 | 11:08 PM
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RE: Waiver question
As an individual
If you are flying at a county field with no AMA Charter in effect and no specific county rules about trubines or anything else such as noise levels, etc
then you can legally fly at the county facility without breaking any City/County laws.
As a member of the AMA which is essentially a liability insurance, Flying a turbine without a waiver is not
allowed anywhere.
In case of an accident, Amongst other things, your Insurace/AMA will decline any claims under the pretext of breaching your AMA/Insurance agreement.
With all this said,in my personal opinion, if you have any assets, It would be wise to retain an umbrella insurace on to of your Home Owners. For a few hundred dollars extra per year
you can get a $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 coverage. The AMA coverage is not nearly enough for a serious accident.
BTW: Gordon
55ibs max all up weight and 200mph max speed. That would probabely be their first answer.
JasonP
If you are flying at a county field with no AMA Charter in effect and no specific county rules about trubines or anything else such as noise levels, etc
then you can legally fly at the county facility without breaking any City/County laws.
As a member of the AMA which is essentially a liability insurance, Flying a turbine without a waiver is not
allowed anywhere.
In case of an accident, Amongst other things, your Insurace/AMA will decline any claims under the pretext of breaching your AMA/Insurance agreement.
With all this said,in my personal opinion, if you have any assets, It would be wise to retain an umbrella insurace on to of your Home Owners. For a few hundred dollars extra per year
you can get a $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 coverage. The AMA coverage is not nearly enough for a serious accident.
BTW: Gordon
55ibs max all up weight and 200mph max speed. That would probabely be their first answer.
JasonP
10-14-2007 | 11:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: JasonP
As an individual
If you are flying at a county field with no AMA Charter in effect and no specific county rules about trubines or anything else such as noise levels, etc
then you can legally fly at the county facility without breaking any City/County laws.
As a member of the AMA which is essentially a liability insurance, Flying a turbine without a waiver is not
allowed anywhere.
In case of an accident, Amongst other things, your Insurace/AMA will decline any claims under the pretext of breaching your AMA/Insurance agreement.
With all this said,in my personal opinion, if you have any assets, It would be wise to retain an umbrella insurace on to of your Home Owners. For a few hundred dollars extra per year
you can get a $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 coverage. The AMA coverage is not nearly enough for a serious accident.
BTW: Gordon
55ibs max all up weight and 200mph max speed. That would probabely be their first answer.
JasonP
As an individual
If you are flying at a county field with no AMA Charter in effect and no specific county rules about trubines or anything else such as noise levels, etc
then you can legally fly at the county facility without breaking any City/County laws.
As a member of the AMA which is essentially a liability insurance, Flying a turbine without a waiver is not
allowed anywhere.
In case of an accident, Amongst other things, your Insurace/AMA will decline any claims under the pretext of breaching your AMA/Insurance agreement.
With all this said,in my personal opinion, if you have any assets, It would be wise to retain an umbrella insurace on to of your Home Owners. For a few hundred dollars extra per year
you can get a $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 coverage. The AMA coverage is not nearly enough for a serious accident.
BTW: Gordon
55ibs max all up weight and 200mph max speed. That would probabely be their first answer.
JasonP
if you are flying a turbine without a waiver the AMA insurance would not apply in
such a case.
10-14-2007 | 11:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: ianober
You can fly all you want at a NON-sanctioned AMA field to your hearts content, but if you kill someone with your plane or damage property then YOU will be held liable. If you fly at an AMA SANCTIONED field without a turbine waiver then I suspect that you will be banned from that facility indefinitely, because if you crash their then they will be at fault and not covered for your negligence. Pretty straight forward.
If I were you, I would train, get proficient, go to a jet meet and get signed off. Its an easy process and even easier with the new rules. Then you are covered no matter what. There are tons of people on here willing to sign you off, providing you prove proficiency.
You can fly all you want at a NON-sanctioned AMA field to your hearts content, but if you kill someone with your plane or damage property then YOU will be held liable. If you fly at an AMA SANCTIONED field without a turbine waiver then I suspect that you will be banned from that facility indefinitely, because if you crash their then they will be at fault and not covered for your negligence. Pretty straight forward.
If I were you, I would train, get proficient, go to a jet meet and get signed off. Its an easy process and even easier with the new rules. Then you are covered no matter what. There are tons of people on here willing to sign you off, providing you prove proficiency.
big trouble if you cause damage or hurt someone. But I dont see how the club
would be at fault unless it could be proven they gave you permission to fly.
10-14-2007 | 11:43 PM
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RE: Waiver question
Hi ira-d
You may be correct but I thimk the all up coverage is $1,000,000.00
That is broken down to separate subsections which pre-designates limits on different areas.
The AMA is also a secondary insurance and not a primary.
I assume your home owners would be the primary if you own a house.
Also it really depends on your type of accident.
Let assume that in a rare case you cause a civilian airplane to crash or if you fly into a school
bus full of children or fly through a crowd in an event, or into a large building and set it on fire etc...
The thing is that if it can happen, as remote as it may be, it can happen to the best of us.
Jason P
You may be correct but I thimk the all up coverage is $1,000,000.00
That is broken down to separate subsections which pre-designates limits on different areas.
The AMA is also a secondary insurance and not a primary.
I assume your home owners would be the primary if you own a house.
Also it really depends on your type of accident.
Let assume that in a rare case you cause a civilian airplane to crash or if you fly into a school
bus full of children or fly through a crowd in an event, or into a large building and set it on fire etc...
The thing is that if it can happen, as remote as it may be, it can happen to the best of us.
Jason P
10-14-2007 | 11:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: causeitflies-RCU
Just to be clear, the AMA does not sanction or charter fields. They sanction events and charter clubs.
Just to be clear, the AMA does not sanction or charter fields. They sanction events and charter clubs.
What the AMA does however, is provide insurance for the flying site so the respectfull owner which is often the county or the city
will allow it's usage for the chartered club.
JasonP
10-15-2007 | 03:04 AM
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RE: Waiver question
ORIGINAL: JasonP
As an individual
If you are flying at a county field with no AMA Charter in effect and no specific county rules about trubines or anything else such as noise levels, etc
then you can legally fly at the county facility without breaking any City/County laws.
As a member of the AMA which is essentially a liability insurance, Flying a turbine without a waiver is not
allowed anywhere.
In case of an accident, Amongst other things, your Insurace/AMA will decline any claims under the pretext of breaching your AMA/Insurance agreement.
With all this said,in my personal opinion, if you have any assets, It would be wise to retain an umbrella insurace on to of your Home Owners. For a few hundred dollars extra per year
you can get a $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 coverage. The AMA coverage is not nearly enough for a serious accident.
BTW: Gordon
55ibs max all up weight and 200mph max speed. That would probabely be their first answer.
JasonP
As an individual
If you are flying at a county field with no AMA Charter in effect and no specific county rules about trubines or anything else such as noise levels, etc
then you can legally fly at the county facility without breaking any City/County laws.
As a member of the AMA which is essentially a liability insurance, Flying a turbine without a waiver is not
allowed anywhere.
In case of an accident, Amongst other things, your Insurace/AMA will decline any claims under the pretext of breaching your AMA/Insurance agreement.
With all this said,in my personal opinion, if you have any assets, It would be wise to retain an umbrella insurace on to of your Home Owners. For a few hundred dollars extra per year
you can get a $1,000,000 to $5,000,000 coverage. The AMA coverage is not nearly enough for a serious accident.
BTW: Gordon
55ibs max all up weight and 200mph max speed. That would probabely be their first answer.
JasonP
This is what I had meant Gordon, AMA is only insurance. If the State or City ordinances that oversee the facilty are ok with it then anyone can fly there without a turbine waiver. I would like to see the AMA try and stop someone from doing this.
10-15-2007 | 03:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: causeitflies-RCU
Just to be clear, the AMA does not sanction or charter fields. They sanction events and charter clubs.
Just to be clear, the AMA does not sanction or charter fields. They sanction events and charter clubs.
10-15-2007 | 08:37 AM
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This is what I had meant Gordon, AMA is only insurance. If the State or City ordinances that oversee the facilty are ok with it then anyone can fly there without a turbine waiver. I would like to see the AMA try and stop someone from doing this.
This is what I had meant Gordon, AMA is only insurance. If the State or City ordinances that oversee the facilty are ok with it then anyone can fly there without a turbine waiver. I would like to see the AMA try and stop someone from doing this.
Bravado on the forum is easy ... let's see it done for real
Gordon
