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Old 03-11-2002 | 01:41 AM
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Got a setup from TGA and was wondering if there is anything from napa or whatever that I can use for replacement mixing tips, I only have 2 left and hate to just order them!! Anyone know if I can get them anywhere else?
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What kind of mixing tips? Can you post or send a picture?

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www.Arts-Hobby.com has them
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Drop them in a jar of laquer thinner. They will clean up.

or try here. You can get the stuff for 2/3 of what hobby places sell them for.
http://www.hillas.com/Dispensers_and...rs/Default.asp

And any good plastic supply place should have them.
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these babies!


Thanks guys!
Mine is a little different, one small and one large on the tube, and my gun has a locking arm that comes down once the tube is in place,
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You can easily clean these nozzles and use them over and over. Just pull the thingy out of the nozzle with hemostats and soak it and nozzle in acetone for a few minutes. Clean it with an acid brush and run a pipe cleaner through the nozzle. Cheaper than buying new ones!
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OK, will give it a shot!!!
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Or you can just keep the nozzles in the freezer and reuse them wthout having to clean them out. I'm lazy!
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haha, really? cool, wife is gonna love that!
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Clean the used ones in Acetone and an old toothbrush. Works great.

New ones can be ordered at Cedar Park Hobbies in Austin, TX.
512-331-2943. Talk to Dan.
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John,

I've quit using them altogether----I tried the freezing routine--glue set up in the tubes most of the time --still soft but too thick to move out of tube---

Tried the toothbrush routine---pain in the butt---and waste of time--it did work but I'm impatient and have better things to do, I guess....

tried soaking......still had residue to clean off before reusing...

Found out that the mixing wasn't always 50-50 and some times left mixture that wouldn't properly setup.

I also didn't like the waste of glue left over in the nozzle that is not used--this stuff is expensive....tricky idea and sometimes useful , but helps with the replacement marketing, as you can use it up faster if you waste some.....

So now I mix it just like I do with regular epoxy--in a cup or on a pad and apply it with various sized probes, sticks, pins, blades or whatever suits my fancy.......and it works just fine and -----no cleanup.....

But....this is great stuff.. I use it on just about everything anymore
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I do the same thing. The big nozzles use up an incredible amount of glue. I ave sacks of the small nozzles they still come in handy but I only use them about 1 out of 10 times.


I also use 9460F the grey stuff dries about twice as fast as 9462. Does anyone sell the 9460F?

I guess I am going to buy some in bulk if no one stocks it, maybe someone wants to split up an order?
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Default Re: Rod

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I also use 9460F the grey stuff dries about twice as fast as 9462. Does anyone sell the 9460F?

I guess I am going to buy some in bulk if no one stocks it, maybe someone wants to split up an order?
Hi Matt,

Use the link below to find a local distributor. I did that, and found a local place that will order the stuff for me - arrives next day, with no minimum order.

http://www.loctite.com/distributor/

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I use Itw Plexes MA310 methacrylate adhesives. Now this is nasty, toxic stuff but once it drys it ain't coming apart. EVER. While looking into structical adhesives I noticed that strength went down as dry time went down. Not sure if this applies to the above mentioned adhesives. Bkf
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Can you guys tell me why good old fashioned epoxy isn't good enough for our aircraft. I seems that with the Jet boys , if there's something that could possibly cost more that's what they use. I understand that the Aeropoxy is thixotropic but if you don't want runs just add Cabosil to epoxy.
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Strength 747 Strength. Jets put much stress on parts. It's just plain stronger then epoxy.
Hope this helps. Bkf
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Marc,

If you haven't tried aeropoxy you ought to. This stuff just doesn't let go!! I was sceptical at first but once I used it and made one mistake, had to grind everything apart and destroyed a few parts in that grinding I was sold. Normal epoxy doesn't grad on to surfaces like the aeropoxy does. Another great feature is its color. You can see where you put it and you never overglue this way.

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Is Aeropoxy a methacrylate adhesive or epoxy based. My local composite material supplier has a number of industrial adhesives in tubes like Aeropoxy. If I decide to try it what should I look for?

How many guys have suffered structural related crashes due to a glue joint letting go as opposed to just poor design (insufficient spar for instance)

Not trying to be difficult but this is an expensive hobby already and I would like to know when enough's enough.
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747: Im not sure what Aeropoxy is. The manufacture is Hysol. For the most part I use it for gluing formers and such. What the fuses of these are made of sometimes does not play well with epoxy. FYI the Itw Plexes glue is holding some of the parts of your 747 together as we speak. It better be good eh.

in a recent poll is was found that when 747 engines were held on with epoxy they were 99% more likley to drop off at the gate.
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Originally posted by bkf
747: Im not sure what Aeropoxy is. The manufacture is Hysol. For the most part I use it for gluing formers and such. What the fuses of these are made of sometimes does not play well with epoxy. FYI the Itw Plexes glue is holding some of the parts of your 747 together as we speak. It better be good eh.

A non Canadian using "eh" properly ! Good for you ! Must be your proximity to the border. I've heard of incompatabilties between polyester fuses and epoxy being used for formers. Good reason for using the Aeropoxy. Adhesive bonding is being used more and more for full size aircraft structures. Just as an aside, PPG makes the windows on our 400's.

in a recent poll is was found that when 747 engines were held on with epoxy they were 99% more likley to drop off at the gate.
I didn't know that !I should have paid more attention in ground school. Well, I'm glad they changed it before I got on the plane. So far no engines dropping off !
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Yep your just over the lake Sir.
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I believe Aeropoxy is just epoxy. Hence the "poxy" in the name. It is, no dounbt, just a re-labeled tube from some manufacturer that you & I can go buy it cheaper from direct. I sometimes use similar Loctite & 3M stuff from McMaster-Carr or Grainger supply houses.
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Ok I just look them up. The 9462 is an epoxy type with a lap shear of 3500 psi @ 77F
The MA310 which is also the equiv. to Hysol H3100 is a methacrylate with a lap shear of 4500 psi @ 77F
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Gordon,

Thanks for the link.

Is it the 200ml or 50ml that will fit the gun I got from BVM? Did you save much by ordering from the local supplier instead of ordering from BVM?

Joe
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Joe,
It's the 50 ml tube you need.
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