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10-25-2008 | 11:36 AM
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DTE Source
I'm finally out of the 2380 stuff I had and want to try out this DTE light stuff you all are talking about. I tried going to MSC but seems they only have the heavy stuff. Where are all of you buying your DTE oil from?
Luis
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10-25-2008 | 02:39 PM
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I got a gallon from McMaster.com to try it. They have 1 gallon, full case (6x1 gallon), or 5 gallon prices.
search: Mobil DTE Oil
ISO Grade 32
Part no
2158K14
2158K34
search: Mobil DTE Oil
ISO Grade 32
Part no
2158K14
2158K34
10-25-2008 | 04:26 PM
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Got mine from http://www.drillspot.com/
Then just type in Mobil DTE Light in the Homepage Search Box.
Current price is $84.00 + shipping for 5 gallon pail. My shipping was about $20.00. It arrived 3 days after I ordered it online via UPS ground.
I have been using it this season in my Wren SS, Artes Rhino, and Jetcat Titan.....about 100 runs on the SS, 75 runs on the Rhino and 25 runs on Titan....zero problems so far. The SS was serviced at about 60 runs for a problem unrelated to the oil. Ron Ballard noted no carbon buildup at that time. I mix it 5% for JC, 3% for SS, and 2.5% for Rhino=====no more organophosphate oils for me.
Tom
Then just type in Mobil DTE Light in the Homepage Search Box.
Current price is $84.00 + shipping for 5 gallon pail. My shipping was about $20.00. It arrived 3 days after I ordered it online via UPS ground.
I have been using it this season in my Wren SS, Artes Rhino, and Jetcat Titan.....about 100 runs on the SS, 75 runs on the Rhino and 25 runs on Titan....zero problems so far. The SS was serviced at about 60 runs for a problem unrelated to the oil. Ron Ballard noted no carbon buildup at that time. I mix it 5% for JC, 3% for SS, and 2.5% for Rhino=====no more organophosphate oils for me.
Tom
10-25-2008 | 08:41 PM
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Looks like Mcmaster is the cheapest at 79.35 bucks for a 5 gallon pale. Greg, did it come with a spout to pour this stuff into quart sized containers?
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10-25-2008 | 09:29 PM
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FYI,
I asked Bob Wilcox about using this on the JetCat motors and he gave me a resounding NO! I can't speak for the company (maybe Matt Carol - "the voice of JetCat" can) but to paraphrase Bob he said. "The DTE light might be OK for the smaller motors, but it would lead to premature rear bearing failure on the larger JetCat motors."
Joe
I asked Bob Wilcox about using this on the JetCat motors and he gave me a resounding NO! I can't speak for the company (maybe Matt Carol - "the voice of JetCat" can) but to paraphrase Bob he said. "The DTE light might be OK for the smaller motors, but it would lead to premature rear bearing failure on the larger JetCat motors."
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10-25-2008 | 10:36 PM
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Yep, Bob does not like the DTE, Bob looked at a P-200 that had hours with DTE on it and it was very coked up.
The last MIL-PRF-23699 oil I got was for 75 bucks for 6 gallons. Of course this has the dreaded nerve toxin in it, so you takes your chances.
The last MIL-PRF-23699 oil I got was for 75 bucks for 6 gallons. Of course this has the dreaded nerve toxin in it, so you takes your chances.
10-25-2008 | 11:48 PM
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Yep, Bob does not like the DTE, Bob looked at a P-200 that had hours with DTE on it and it was very coked up.
The last MIL-PRF-23699 oil I got was for 75 bucks for 6 gallons. Of course this has the dreaded nerve toxin in it, so you takes your chances.
Yep, Bob does not like the DTE, Bob looked at a P-200 that had hours with DTE on it and it was very coked up.
The last MIL-PRF-23699 oil I got was for 75 bucks for 6 gallons. Of course this has the dreaded nerve toxin in it, so you takes your chances.
Were all the hours in the P200 with DTE or just the last few? This is very interesting news because all I've read on this product were raves.
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10-26-2008 | 03:35 AM
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Hi all
I have used about 7 gallons of GST-32 from Cheveron here with no ill affects noticed. Our gang is on the 4th 5 gallon bucket so far and it seems to work well. Even if my bearing wear a little quickly (which doesn't seem to be an issue so far) I feel much better using a less toxic oil.
I just think taking less of chance with my healt is worth the possible issues, which so far have been few thank goodness.
I went to GST-32 because I could not get DTE light and Hawaiian Electric uses it on there big industrial turbines so I looked up the specs on the Chevon site.
I have used about 7 gallons of GST-32 from Cheveron here with no ill affects noticed. Our gang is on the 4th 5 gallon bucket so far and it seems to work well. Even if my bearing wear a little quickly (which doesn't seem to be an issue so far) I feel much better using a less toxic oil.
I just think taking less of chance with my healt is worth the possible issues, which so far have been few thank goodness.
I went to GST-32 because I could not get DTE light and Hawaiian Electric uses it on there big industrial turbines so I looked up the specs on the Chevon site.
10-26-2008 | 05:58 PM
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Luis,
I got the 1 Gallon format. It comes sealed with an adhesive aluminum foil seal on the plastic gallon with a plastic cap. It does not come with a spout but is easy to pour. I do not know how the 5 gallon comes other than it looks like a pail. If I buy a large quantity, for the $1 to $3 per gallon difference, I probably will buy the 1 gallon format again for the ease of handling and ability to keep smaller quantities sealed and fresh.
Greg
I got the 1 Gallon format. It comes sealed with an adhesive aluminum foil seal on the plastic gallon with a plastic cap. It does not come with a spout but is easy to pour. I do not know how the 5 gallon comes other than it looks like a pail. If I buy a large quantity, for the $1 to $3 per gallon difference, I probably will buy the 1 gallon format again for the ease of handling and ability to keep smaller quantities sealed and fresh.
Greg
10-26-2008 | 08:29 PM
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ORIGINAL: mr_matt
Actually it was US$67.50 for a case, 24 quarts or 6 gallons. About 36 bucks shipping, so around $4.30 a quart to my door.
But it was not DTE, sorry to hijack the thread.
Actually it was US$67.50 for a case, 24 quarts or 6 gallons. About 36 bucks shipping, so around $4.30 a quart to my door.
But it was not DTE, sorry to hijack the thread.
This is an excellent price compared to us paying over $10 / quart for AeroShell 500.
" The last MIL-PRF-23699 oil I got was for 75 bucks for 6 gallons. "
Could you please be more specific describing any brand name on the above oil, and where purchased ?
And please do check with Bob, and tell us what he sez. This could be very benificial to the entire jet community.
Thanks ................ zak
10-26-2008 | 09:22 PM
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Thanks Greg... I ordered 2 of the 1 gal variety. This outta get me through the winter and early spring months.
4.71 Per Quart sure beats the hell out of what I was paying for 2380. Mcmaster hasn't come up with a shipping estimate so when they do I can figure out the real price per quart cost.
Luis
4.71 Per Quart sure beats the hell out of what I was paying for 2380. Mcmaster hasn't come up with a shipping estimate so when they do I can figure out the real price per quart cost.Luis
10-27-2008 | 12:34 PM
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Look, any of these oils will work. The question becomes, what will your combustion chamber look like at it's next service level. Coking (google it) can and will happen with almost any of these oils, including some of the kerosenes we use.
Now, what does coking do? Coking will restrict flow of fuel in your combustion chamber tubes. It can also dirupt the flow of air in and around your combustion chamber.
How much coking does it take to cause problems? Don't know. But eventually with a coking problem you could experiance a flame out. I have never heard of this happening. NEVER. But it could.
A turbine manufacturer that sees significant coking is going to want to replace the combustion chamber rather than fix the problem because the labor to get the coking out would be A LOT! Not that it couldn't be scraped out, it could. It's just burnt crap.
How much is a comb chamber, I don't know, but about $300.00.
Does a turbine manuf know what oil you are using. NO! But with significant coking, they might ask you. How you answer? Does it really matter? If you are saving on oil over the life of an engine, and you replace the comb chamber once or twice, which is the best way to spend your money? What's more convenient.
Make up your own minds and move on.
Hell, you can use 2 cycle oil, and all the above applies.
It's a lubricant for the bearings that some of it gets burned as well. The residue left is the coking.
ANY QUESTIONS?
Go Fly!
Now, what does coking do? Coking will restrict flow of fuel in your combustion chamber tubes. It can also dirupt the flow of air in and around your combustion chamber.
How much coking does it take to cause problems? Don't know. But eventually with a coking problem you could experiance a flame out. I have never heard of this happening. NEVER. But it could.
A turbine manufacturer that sees significant coking is going to want to replace the combustion chamber rather than fix the problem because the labor to get the coking out would be A LOT! Not that it couldn't be scraped out, it could. It's just burnt crap.
How much is a comb chamber, I don't know, but about $300.00.
Does a turbine manuf know what oil you are using. NO! But with significant coking, they might ask you. How you answer? Does it really matter? If you are saving on oil over the life of an engine, and you replace the comb chamber once or twice, which is the best way to spend your money? What's more convenient.
Make up your own minds and move on.
Hell, you can use 2 cycle oil, and all the above applies.
It's a lubricant for the bearings that some of it gets burned as well. The residue left is the coking.
ANY QUESTIONS?
Go Fly!
10-27-2008 | 01:26 PM
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I spoke to Eric Clapp and he said it will be fine in the jet central engines.
Alan
I spoke to Eric Clapp and he said it will be fine in the jet central engines.
Alan
We might have a winner here.
What company is next ?
... zak
10-27-2008 | 05:52 PM
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Look, any of these oils will work. The question becomes, what will your combustion chamber look like at it's next service level. Coking (google it) can and will happen with almost any of these oils, including some of the kerosenes we use.
Now, what does coking do? Coking will restrict flow of fuel in your combustion chamber tubes. It can also dirupt the flow of air in and around your combustion chamber.
How much coking does it take to cause problems? Don't know. But eventually with a coking problem you could experiance a flame out. I have never heard of this happening. NEVER. But it could.
A turbine manufacturer that sees significant coking is going to want to replace the combustion chamber rather than fix the problem because the labor to get the coking out would be A LOT! Not that it couldn't be scraped out, it could. It's just burnt crap.
How much is a comb chamber, I don't know, but about $300.00.
Does a turbine manuf know what oil you are using. NO! But with significant coking, they might ask you. How you answer? Does it really matter? If you are saving on oil over the life of an engine, and you replace the comb chamber once or twice, which is the best way to spend your money? What's more convenient.
Make up your own minds and move on.
Hell, you can use 2 cycle oil, and all the above applies.
It's a lubricant for the bearings that some of it gets burned as well. The residue left is the coking.
ANY QUESTIONS?
Go Fly!
Look, any of these oils will work. The question becomes, what will your combustion chamber look like at it's next service level. Coking (google it) can and will happen with almost any of these oils, including some of the kerosenes we use.
Now, what does coking do? Coking will restrict flow of fuel in your combustion chamber tubes. It can also dirupt the flow of air in and around your combustion chamber.
How much coking does it take to cause problems? Don't know. But eventually with a coking problem you could experiance a flame out. I have never heard of this happening. NEVER. But it could.
A turbine manufacturer that sees significant coking is going to want to replace the combustion chamber rather than fix the problem because the labor to get the coking out would be A LOT! Not that it couldn't be scraped out, it could. It's just burnt crap.
How much is a comb chamber, I don't know, but about $300.00.
Does a turbine manuf know what oil you are using. NO! But with significant coking, they might ask you. How you answer? Does it really matter? If you are saving on oil over the life of an engine, and you replace the comb chamber once or twice, which is the best way to spend your money? What's more convenient.
Make up your own minds and move on.
Hell, you can use 2 cycle oil, and all the above applies.
It's a lubricant for the bearings that some of it gets burned as well. The residue left is the coking.
ANY QUESTIONS?
Go Fly!
