Crow and crosswind?
03-06-2009 | 10:52 AM
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RE: Crow and crosswind?
ORIGINAL: Silver182
Side Note:
I probably missed the FAA clear and concise written description of how crosswind landings are to be executed somewhere along the line. If any of you Hanger Queen pilots find that procedure in writing let me know.
Side Note:
I probably missed the FAA clear and concise written description of how crosswind landings are to be executed somewhere along the line. If any of you Hanger Queen pilots find that procedure in writing let me know.
Your arrogance is profound.I guess being a current Captain/Check Airman for a major airline,with approx 15,000 hrs tt,makes me a Hangar Queen pilot.
I guess if your family was on my airplane,you'd be ok with me landing in a 90 kt crosswind,as long as I hold a few extra knots down the final.I teach in the sim intermittently,and have made a successful landing in the sim with a 55kt crosswind,in a DC-9,which has a 30 kt xwind limit.I wouldn't try it in the plane with a 31 kt crosswind.Make no mistake.You exercised extremely poor judgement that day,and continue to do so by posting it like its a good thing.Matt,
I apologize for the thread creep,and will not post in this thread anymore.Good luck,
Erik
03-06-2009 | 11:12 AM
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RE: Crow and crosswind?
I am trying to locate the nearest RC divert field from Buttonwillow (just in case the cross wind component exceeds the BVM BobCat published limits)!
Of course at that point I will only have about 45 seconds of reserve fuel left......but I_can_go 200 mph ....hmmm that means I can go about 2 miles....better plan ahead!
Of course at that point I will only have about 45 seconds of reserve fuel left......but I_can_go 200 mph ....hmmm that means I can go about 2 miles....better plan ahead!
03-06-2009 | 11:18 AM
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RE: Crow and crosswind?
ORIGINAL: mr_matt
I am trying to locate the nearest RC divert field from Buttonwillow (just in case the cross wind component exceeds the BVM BobCat published limits)!
I am trying to locate the nearest RC divert field from Buttonwillow (just in case the cross wind component exceeds the BVM BobCat published limits)!
03-06-2009 | 12:30 PM
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RE: Crow and crosswind?
ORIGINAL: Silver182
... Matt, my suggestion is to keep the BobCat as clean as you can during a crosswind landing, and crabbing is not a good idea. To many airplanes have been bent trying that one!
Lee
... Matt, my suggestion is to keep the BobCat as clean as you can during a crosswind landing, and crabbing is not a good idea. To many airplanes have been bent trying that one!
Lee
03-09-2009 | 05:31 AM
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RE: Crow and crosswind?
ORIGINAL: Silver182
Well, it seems a few of you have missed the point totally. My point in illustrating with first hand example crosswind landing technique that works every time you try it. I will admit what I did that day in Hays KS might to some sound like it was careless and reckless, but I assure you it wasn't. The reason I made multiple attempts was make sure I could hold a track line that would work. Surprising as it may sound it was a very smooth touchdown. Great Bend was in mind if my third increase in airspeed didn't work. Out of thousands of landings that I have made it was a good example of what proper crosswind technique can do.
Peter in my opinion.. the maximum demonstrated crosswind component published by General Aviation aircraft manufactures doesn't reflect anything other than what the airplanes landing gear will withstand if a landing is totally blown.
Side Note: I probably missed the FAA clear and concise written description of how crosswind landings are to be executed somewhere along the line. If any of you Hanger Queen pilots find that procedure in writing let me know. In all my years of flying, I only found one instructor that could teach and DO, to perfection a crosswind landing.
Anyway Matt, my suggestion is to keep the BobCat as clean as you can during a crosswind landing, and crabbing is not a good idea. To many airplanes have been bent trying that one!
Lee
Well, it seems a few of you have missed the point totally. My point in illustrating with first hand example crosswind landing technique that works every time you try it. I will admit what I did that day in Hays KS might to some sound like it was careless and reckless, but I assure you it wasn't. The reason I made multiple attempts was make sure I could hold a track line that would work. Surprising as it may sound it was a very smooth touchdown. Great Bend was in mind if my third increase in airspeed didn't work. Out of thousands of landings that I have made it was a good example of what proper crosswind technique can do.
Peter in my opinion.. the maximum demonstrated crosswind component published by General Aviation aircraft manufactures doesn't reflect anything other than what the airplanes landing gear will withstand if a landing is totally blown.
Side Note: I probably missed the FAA clear and concise written description of how crosswind landings are to be executed somewhere along the line. If any of you Hanger Queen pilots find that procedure in writing let me know. In all my years of flying, I only found one instructor that could teach and DO, to perfection a crosswind landing.
Anyway Matt, my suggestion is to keep the BobCat as clean as you can during a crosswind landing, and crabbing is not a good idea. To many airplanes have been bent trying that one!
Lee
ORIGINAL: Erik R
Your arrogance is profound.I guess being a current Captain/Check Airman for a major airline,with approx 15,000 hrs tt,makes me a Hangar Queen pilot. I guess if your family was on my airplane,you'd be OK with me landing in a 90 kt crosswind,as long as I hold a few extra knots down the final.I teach in the sim intermittently,and have made a successful landing in the sim with a 55kt crosswind,in a DC-9,which has a 30 kt xwind limit.I wouldn't try it in the plane with a 31 kt crosswind.Make no mistake.You exercised extremely poor judgment that day,and continue to do so by posting it like its a good thing.
Erik
Your arrogance is profound.I guess being a current Captain/Check Airman for a major airline,with approx 15,000 hrs tt,makes me a Hangar Queen pilot.
I guess if your family was on my airplane,you'd be OK with me landing in a 90 kt crosswind,as long as I hold a few extra knots down the final.I teach in the sim intermittently,and have made a successful landing in the sim with a 55kt crosswind,in a DC-9,which has a 30 kt xwind limit.I wouldn't try it in the plane with a 31 kt crosswind.Make no mistake.You exercised extremely poor judgment that day,and continue to do so by posting it like its a good thing.Erik
Your 'opinion' on published crosswind components for GA aircraft shows a gross misunderstanding and ignorance on your part of why manufacturers post those numbers in the first place. Landing a 182 with a 38 to 44 knot "direct crosswind" is nuts and extremely dangerous...it shows poor judgment and a complete disregard for safety. Unfortunately there are always those who are stuck in their ways and believe they do no wrong...the ones that never learn and eventually end up dead, or end up living while hurting/killing somebody else. Truly great, experienced, and safe pilots/instructors would never support or condone such action or technique...General Aviation or RC (especially turbine flyer's).
03-09-2009 | 07:09 AM
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RE: Crow and crosswind?
Ever been in an airplane after a crosswind landing and watched the instructor wipe the sweat off his forhead?
...that's after picking the radio knobs up off the floor...
Fullscale Humor
My all up favorite from an instructor and as an instructor is as follows:
"hmm, that's never happened before"
and my favorite to ask a passenger while on the taxi way is:
"now, how much do you weigh again..."
Of course this is after explaining how critical it is to get weight and balance correct on preflight.
MACE
PS. Ever had anyone walk over to you and say, "Hello, I'm so and so with the FAA and I'm here to help you." guarantee you won't want that to happen to many times and some things are better left unsaid, thank God you got away with it and look over both shoulders to see who was watching...as you walk away in one piece.
...that's after picking the radio knobs up off the floor...
Fullscale Humor
My all up favorite from an instructor and as an instructor is as follows:
"hmm, that's never happened before"
and my favorite to ask a passenger while on the taxi way is:
"now, how much do you weigh again..."
Of course this is after explaining how critical it is to get weight and balance correct on preflight.
MACE
PS. Ever had anyone walk over to you and say, "Hello, I'm so and so with the FAA and I'm here to help you." guarantee you won't want that to happen to many times and some things are better left unsaid, thank God you got away with it and look over both shoulders to see who was watching...as you walk away in one piece.
