Im new to baching and i was wondering what kind of basher i could get under 500 dollars. i am experienced with rc i have a losi 8

Savage X 4.6. Bulletproof drivetrain, awesome engine, under 400 bones.

what about the after shock or the t-maxx wh would you say savage x

T-maxx sucks (I've had two), Aftershock isn't as strong as the LST2 and takes enough money to upgrade to LST2 specs to make it LESS of a good deal than the LST2, and the Revo's engine blows goats. Savage, bang for the buck, is the only way to fly IMO

The T-Maxx shouldn't even be considered against a Savage or Aftershock, there's just no comparison. As for the Savage Vs. Aftershock most Savage owners will tell you to get a Savage, while Losi owners will tell you to get the Aftershock. Personally I would go with the Aftershock (heh see I'm a Losi owner) but both are excellent trucks and you should be happy with either one.

YOU ARE WRONG, SAVAGE IS THE ONLY GOOD TRUCK!

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honestly, though, if you were to ask LST2 vs Savage XL (far closer comparison) I'd say pick whichever one you think looks cooler. But, X4.6 vs Aftershock...I honestly think that there's no contest, in the Savage's favor.

But, hell, maybe i should go buy an Aftershock and try it out. Wonder how cheap used ones go for...

Dont you wish,or are you making jokes today?The nerve of you to compare a Savage to an lst2.Theres no comparison in handling,durability or overall quality.LST2 wins hands down.Unlike you, I have owned a Savage x and an LST2 at the SAME time,and the only one to even dare compare the two would be a wishfull Savage owner.Savages are so over rated.X or XL,doesnt matter because neither can compare to the LST2 without a ton of upgrades.Wish we could have a bashing session.Have a look at THE toughest MT .I named her Savage Killer.Get you some!

K dude, way to take yourself way too seriously

LOL, it's a GST! one of two MT's on the market that have WORSE shocks than a Savage...come on, dude. Get over yourself, and it was a joke.

Yeah, that is a GST/Nemesis/Genesis. That truck I can say is tougher than both a Savage or LST2. I hate admitting taht since Savages are my favorite truck, but I have seen a Genesis/GST take alot of hits my Savage would have been limping away from.

I do agree with you, the LST and LST2 has a very nice layout which makes its handling superior to that of a Savage. And yes, the Savage would would need alot of upgrades to improve its handling.

As far has durability? I'd dare say teh Savage has teh edge. Dont get me wrong, the LST2 does have a good rugged design, so it can take some hits too.

savage vs. aftershock I have both and the savage will withstand a good amout of jumps the aftershock will brake a-arms to easy

Gotta say hands down, that you'd be better off with an Aftershock and about 30$$'s of upgrades than with a savage X any day!!!
Savages are sooooooooooo overrated in terms of handling, durability, drivetrain, tranny, and build quality... The aftershock has amazing shocks and it verrrrryyy durable with some basic lst2 upgrades

Uh

Show me how the Savage's drivetrain is overrated? Show me how the Aftershock shocks, that have never been on truck that's moved under its own power, are good, when they're leaking oil ALL OVER my desk?

Good thing I'm getting some aluminum shock bodies for free, or else I'd just throw them in the trash can...

I will drive my Savage head-on into an Aftershock, with us both going top speed, and we will see who comes out still drivable.

Sure, it doesn't handle well stock..but neither does an Aftershock.

After a good bash day...only two of these cars were still operable (aside from a radio issue in the buggy)...I'll give you a hint. It wasn't the Revo, and it wasn't the LST...and guess which one of them disabled the LST...and kept on truckin' (not the Savage and not the Revo...)

I can't believe people would even begin to compare any Losi MT's durability to that of the Savage. The Savage has a better chassis design, and much tougher plastics.

That may be, but the the Losi's have a much stronger drivetrain. The bottom line is that both are good trucks.

Interesting... I've personally seen plenty of bent TVP's... and motor mounts that have BLOWN THROUGH the chassis.... along with bent shocks (should have done the LST2 shock mod) and broken A-arms... but, hey... if you say so.

I've also seen plenty of bent TVPs and cracked engine plates. It takes a really good hit to break them (A stock Revo or LST2 would have numerous broken parts as well), but it does happen. Thing is, you can fix the issue for less than $100 (Keep in mind that I said chassis DESIGN, not chassis), and customize length, positioning of all chassis components, and thickness and design while you're at it. There is currently no aftermarket fix for this.



I have a drawer full of broken LST shock shafts that prove the stock Savage shocks are more durable.

Broken arms, yes it does happen, but in 4 years, I have broken 2, and considering what I was doing to the truck at the time, I would expect them to break. Messed up landings from 20ft in the air, and both arms were still usable, having split at only one of the 3 mounting points. The original 21/25 arms are IMO, more durable than RPM arms.

20'? That's all your truck can handle? [X(]

Sorry to say it, bro... but the Savage's chassis design is old news. I'm not saying LST2's chassis design is the best thing since sliced bread... but, your reaction to the pure audacity that someone would compare the antiquated design of the Savage to the newer design of the LST2... quite honestly.. made me laugh out loud...

The Savage's chassis design is 6 years old. The LST's chassis design is 4 year old. Wow, so much more modern.

20' high single wheeled landings will leave every other truck on the market limping away with a broken suspension arm. Both Losi and Traxxas use a glass filled composite that has a much lower impact strength, and lower toughness (Look up the definition) than HPI's nylon.

The TVP design is most certainly the best. You seem to be lost amongst the sheeple *cough* I mean people who believe that newer is automatically better. Do me a favor, and have a structural engineer do a stress analysis on both the LST's chassis and the Savage's. He will tell you that the TVP structure is far superior, guaranteed.

Say No to Drugs!

If it's so "perfect" why did you have to upgrade it to make it "intelligently modded"?

I haven't had to touch the chassis on my LST2 or my Revo... and I've taken my Revo past 20' in the air.... without breaking an arm.... as a matter of fact... I took my Revo 20' in the air with a broken arm... and it didn't suffer any further damage. If I still had my ramp... I would have sent my LST2 off of it... but I got rid of it a while back.

It required upgrading because as I already stated, the DESIGN is the best, not the materials. Thus, it has the potential to be the strongest in practice as well as theory.

If you have jumped higher than 20ft without breaking your Revo's suspension arms, consider yourself lucky. The arms are a well known weak spot that most Revo owners upgrade right away.

Anyway, I am sick of arguing with a bunch of biased sheeple who have no understanding whatsoever of materials science or structural engineering. But that is my fault, I wouldn't expect to find people WITH said knowledge anywhere else but on a Savage forum.

BWAHAHAHA... that's funny. The DESIGN of a structure includes the materials it is built with.... therefore the design of the Savage's TVP's is flawed. It took someone else to improve their design by adding more structural rigidity to the TVP's (thicker and better material) The LST2's chassis wouldn't have broken in the displayed breaking point had it been made of different materials... but somehow it became a "design flaw"... When structural engineers design buildings, they include the materials it should be built from, correct? I mean... a good structural engineer wouldn't design the same building if it were made of wood as they would steel. A structural engineer that specifies a 2x4 construction for a skyscraper would be considered an "idiot" by people like you... no matter how perfect his design was... why? 'cause he called for the WRONG MATERIALS in the DESIGN. I'm sorry you're an elitist, however the real world many times differs from the engineering world... Therefore, the TVP design is flawed.

I must have gotten VERY lucky in all the 4 years I've owned my Revo... because a 20' jump has NEVER broken an A-arm on my Revo. Shock shaft? yep. Motor mount? Uh huh.... A-arm... NOPE. A smash into a tree at 30+MPH broke my A-arm... but never from a failed landing or a high jump. As I said... I have a video somewhere that has over 20 minutes of unedited footage (5 minutes edited) of 10-20' jumps all completed with a broken A-arm from previous smash into a tree... but it never broke any more.

If you want to pick the insignificant terminology apart and once again evade the POINT of the post, I'll rephrase that.

The TVP platform is the best out there. HPI's material's choice is not the best, but the design is otherwise excellent, and far superior to the platform used by Losi for the LST.

Now, the LST chassis could be strong (6061-T6 decks and rails), but there is currently no aftermarket support to utilize said potential. This is why the Savage is currently superior.

As for your Revo, I suspect you managed to land every jump perfectly, because even most Revo owners will agree that your claims of what a STOCK Revo is capable of are BS.

The a-arms are a love hate thing with the revo, I ran two years with the stock arms on my revo and then had the chance to buy two full sets of rpm arms for $10 heck might aswell take the deal so I bought them. I tried for along time to break the stock ones but never manage to untill one day I hit a boulder in my back yard at wot and broke the mounting ear on the upper and cracked the lower arm. The RPM arms are a little wider then stock so I replaced the fronts with rpms and left the rear alone and then I upgraded to traxxas extended rear a-arms. I have seen other revo's crack a-arms or snap them by clipping a light pole at half throttle, others I have seen get easily 20ft of air and drive away clean. My freinds truck only broke the front a-arms when his radio dyed and his failsafe didn't kick in and it slammed into a dumpster at wot and it snapped both lower arms, I had a extra set of RPM that I sold him for $10 (yea I payed $10 for two sets but I had to make some profit lol) I replaced all the arms just simply because he didn't wanna worry about the rear breaking and having to hassle with them. Last year at one of the monster bashes I got 20ft of air and landed on the right driver side tire and it drove away clean, next I was going to pull a back flip and my throttle servo glitched from the mud and water kick up on the tires and it let off the throttle so I came down on the rear of the truck....I warped my mugen wing mount (yeah mugen one of the top kit companies in the world and MUCH greater quality then hpi).