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As Derek said, I don't think that its use decreasing the life-span of the engine was ever in question, LST RACER. The EXTENT that it decreases it, is still up for debate. So far I have 59 N2O cartridges on a XTM 24.7 Pro (not exactly a staple of quality) without any visible/significant decreases in compression or wear. Thanks for your input, and great use of the quote feature!

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Granted, you get 15-30 seconds of extra power, but I still don't understand why you posted this topic in the MT section. This item would be great for a drag racer, but I just can't see it on an off-road racer. Consider that I have put one of these on my LST with the Mach .26. All I have is 15 to 30 seconds of that extra power to last over a 30 min main. What will happen is that I will never know exactly when the cartridge will run dry. At some point I am going to be expecting that extra power and I wont have it. With my luck it will be as I am trying to clear the double-double and I will crash. Looking at total speed - both top speed and how fast it gets there - I bet the difference would be minimal when comparing the speed gains of adding the NOS kit vs putting my full modified Novarossi .28 in the LST.

At no point was I trying to belittle the performance gains of the system. The article you pointed us to was very enlightening in that I previously surmised that the power gains would be small. But unless you are drag racing your vehicle, I just can't justify using this.

Having said all that, I must admit that I do think it would be great fun to build a car for the "World's fastes R/C" competition. If I had the extra cash, and time to build it I would seriously be considering this kit!

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Thanks Derek, I had a look and found it most interesting

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I did not see where it said what % of nitro fuel you guys used for your test?, I am assuming you used low content 20% nitro?

When we tested this stuff we used 50+% nitro which is the normal fuel we use in our nitro race boats and race cars too, it just ate plugs all the time.

I would suggest that if your tests were using a LOW nitro content fuel such as 20-25% that you should of also used a 50/60% in your tests to get a better comparision. It would also be interesting to see IF you would get any power increase with normal 50+% type nitro fuel.


I would be interested to see if you guys could keep the plugs alive for anything more than a short dyno run and would suggest that if you are not having plug problems as we did is because of the watered down low content 20% nitro fuel. Even just with 50+% nitro we still have more problems with plugs being chewed up.

IMO, weak 20% type nitro compared to regular 50/60% nitro fuel is like comparing dog pee to gasoline... or a fart to dynamite.

Then it all comes down too whos willing to take the risk and use it on a expensive $800.00 engine as in our case in which I know some have and there engine parts are still at the botton of the lake.

FYI, I have seen boat racers here using remote needle valves for years to lean out there engines while racing to get a bit of extra power which IMO is a safer way to lean out a nitro engine.

anyway IMO this dry NX kit is a joke... when someone makes a wet kit with R&D/TECH on it that can keep plugs alive for 5+ laps in a heat race using normal nitro, then I will be interested... because then THAT will be a real nitrous kit.

... then again... I could just bump my nitro content up to 75%

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This one time...at band camp....

Come on Boss, give it up. You were proven wrong by a reputable magazine who did an independant test, and all you can say is that you use a specially formulated 400% nitro drag boat with remote needle adjustments and a predator type cloaking device???

It's obvious that no manufacturer in the world will produce a kit that meets your obviously unrealistic expectations. I've kept my cool on this thread and most nay sayers have been satisfied with the results of the test, but come on.

The N2O will improve engine performance - FACT
Using a N2O kit will rduce the life-span of your engine - FACT
Using 400% nitro fuel in engines makes them go faster - probably

The only "joke" to me is using/paying for 60% fuel.

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Nope, store bought fuel (not rare or special) and I don't think I said 400%... and I was never at "band Camp" and don't really care about your "cool", point "FACT" is we tested this stuff using 50% nitro, thats what we use ALL the time.

Fact is The mag tested a nitrous kit before this one which they basicly said was garbage, basicly (correct me if I am wrong) the only diffrence betweeen the two is the nitrous solenoid on this one (which is made for FULLSIZE auto/bike applications) not r/c.

Fact is this is just one test for X mag with this setup.

Fact is some of us have also tested this stuff YEARS! AGO! on high end race engines with not so good results... so now this mag test should be considered the word of god right LOL.

Lets see some tests with at least some decent % fuel in the engine... and btw, there is a big diffrence then you start putting load/stress on the engine parts (in competion) than on a r/c engine dyno LOL.

If this crap does catch on with some kids and they start to wreck there engines I wonder who they will be pissed at?... the mag?... the company?... both?... is the X mag standing behind this product saying it will NOT hurt the engine?

40/50/60% nitro is normal to use in ALL! these nitro engines for max power, I use it all the time as do others (I buy 12 or so gallons for r/c at a time for $40 CND a gall compared with some car fuel at $35 CND, AND will STILL give a better value, bang for the buck than this silly "The Fast and the Furious" NOS kit lol.

But again... hey what do I know lol, I have only used this stuff for the last 20+ years. I guess this one toy test put me in my place with its realistic/real world test "lol.

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This is the Monster Truck forum......not the 400% nitro boat forum. Here's the [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/forumid_117/tt.htm]link[/link]

Most people here use 20-33%.....but then again they probably don't have the 20+ years experience you do.

Funny, I didn't see anything about your 50-60% fuel when you were talking about how this N2O kit didn't work BEFORE the article came out. What are you going to say when they test the kit with 50% nitro fuel....that you've switched to straight 100% nitromethane.

You were better off just letting the article stand on its own than try to cover up your obvious inexperience with (real....not home made) RC N2O kits with ignorant replies.

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WOW... mr expert, why get so upset?lol.

What was I thinking??? trying to cover up my "obvious inexperience" lol. Are you saying that using anything other than 20/30% nitro is no good? in a nitro engine lol. Does it say on this NX kit that it is only for 20/30% nitro only??? lol

Maybe you CANT read... WE tested nitrous on nitro engines ourselfs YEARS ago,... WE spoke with N.O.S for help YEARS ago.

WE HURT/WRECKED parts YEARS ago testing it. I do not think I see what you see in this one test.. I see the engine making a bit extra power because the engine is leaning out which is normal when you lean out a 2 stroke.

Again is X mag standing behind this NX nitrous kit saying it will NOT hurt the parts in a r/c nitro engine... if so I will by a few kits today and if I do wreak/hurt my engines... who will pay for them?... X mag?... NX?... not likely lol.

YUP... c2, it's the real thing and I think everyone should run out and buy one of these excellent "The Fast and the Furious" NOS kits.

YUP... I think this one mag test should anwser EVERY question anyone ever had about dry spraying this stuff in a 2 stroke nitro engine.

are you connected with NX?, are you selling there NX product?lol




btw, FYI, a bottle of $1.98 hydrogen peroxide can also be used a as "power adder" http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0824724.html for a lot less money and wont hurt parts anymore than dry spraying nitrous lol... and yup... tryed it too.

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I dont see the big deal about a Nitrous kit for an RC car.. I dont see how it will harm anything. People with 2 stroke dirt bikes and quads run a liquid nitrous injection for the sand dunes. It doesn't harm the engine at all if you get the Air/fuel mixture right, which isnt that hard... So why should it harm a little RC engine? If you dont belive me check out http://www.boondockers.com

I have seen plenty of bikes and quads with this, and they SCREAM.

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Boss, I'm not sure why a car magazine would test with 50% or 60% fuel since the engines are not designed for that. And if I'm not mistaken you're using a ringed engine? If you just plop nitrous into an engine shimmed for 50-60% fuel you really think you're not going to blow plugs? Most applications where you increase compression and burn temp you have to do a few things...run colder plugs, and add shims to decrease compression. I've blown plugs using 30% in an engine shimmed for 20%.

I'm glad you remember the other test we did. This was pre-dyno where we couldn't measure the increase in a controlled environment. The actuation of the "nitrous" was not control and inconsistent to a point where I couldn't get it to work more than one and other times it detonated like a machine gun. The addition of a jet and selenoid allows for a controlled amount to be added and in a much better method than the jaggas kit.

Our test was to see if it worked, because before this kit I didn't think it would make a difference, and this proved us wrong. Our dyno is extremely accurate and the amount of bench time and real world testing we've done has helped us see things and interpret the data from the graphs. So the review of the kit was a test of the product.

A. Did it do what it claimed...in this case yes and by more than we expected
B. Is it easy for an average person to use....actually it's pretty simple to install in the correct vehicle
c. Value....is subjective. You pay $800 for an engine. Do I think that's a good value? No. But for somebody where $200 isn't a big deal and the fact that they can add a 0-30% spike in power is something that people may be willing to pay.

Also you should be aware that leaning out an engine doesn't infinitely increase power. You have remote needles for temporary and environmental tuning. If you look at the article the baseline graph shows the maximum amount of power that engine will put out (like most dynos they produce higher numbers because you run it lean for the test). So putting a remote needle on it would provide nothing more in power. When the engine is leaned too much on the dyno you can see a huge drop in power and you start to blow plugs (a very scary sound for an engine to blow out at 40,000 rpm). The nitrous clearly added a gain ABOVE what the engine can produce.

I'm not a NX rep, nor are they an advertiser. Actually they posted stuff on our website and we got into a arguement about if it will work. I offered to test it with the means we have (DYNO and Radar) when it came out and for them to prove me wrong. They even were banned from the site. Another bit of information is that they were unhappy with the review for a few reason. Yet I can't even deny that the kit works.

Is it for everybody....HELL no. But don't be some guy who just says that something categorically doesn't work. Because you can, and like we stated in that article, will be proven wrong.

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Hey Derek :D, I was wondering now that you have also used/tested this stuff to some degree if you would be interested to comment/give your thoughts on why we had problems with our nitrous testing on a nitro engine. The plan back then... was to see if I/we could use a shot of nitrous in APBA/NAMBA 5/6 lap heat racing, possibly on a last lap (or possibly even in earlyer), in situations where the nitrous boat would be close enough to over take others in front of it. We did some bench/pool testing (engines with props in pool and cooled) with a K&B.67 ABC marine and a OS.21 ABC engine which were running great before testing. We used/use the FACTORY K&B RECOMENED (no offence lol) 50% XP brand nitro fuel for both the engines, 20% oil, SYN 75% / CAS 25%. we used the K&B high nitro comp plug. The parts we used for our test nitrous kit was all N.O.S. stuff, power shot nitrous solenoid (basicly should be the same thing as the NX one) which we had set up using factory NOS lines and the real NOS 2lb bottle... not whip cream nitrous bottles. We fogged the nitrous over the carb of the .67 with a flatend hard line that could be ajusted, basicly the simular deal as what you just tested. the biggest problem at first was the plugs, the coil would get pulled right out and was compleatly gone once the spray was on for more than 2-3 sec. we played with the head clearances but I did not seem to help, other times when the plugs did not pop they where in really bad shape after a good few shots I noticed that the engine felt loose, I took it apart and found out the rod bushing/bearing spun in the rod and the crank rod journal had some heat damage. From there we threw in the old OS .21 and first time on n2o, reving up quick and just stopped dead in its tracks, took it apart and the rod let go at the crank which jamed up against the sleve bending it and busting the crank. I have heard simular storys of other guys that tryed dry spraying. When we phoned N.O.S tech, told him what we where doing and after the guy stoped laughing he suggested dry spraying this kind of 2 stroke is a mistake and that using nitrous on a "nitomethane engine" was kind of stupid... if I remember correctly... I think (his words) he compared it to cornholing a dead dog lol and asked why don't we just use more nitro on a nitromethane designed engine?... anyway I think that was about the time I pulled my head out of my ***** and gave up. We had headaches before anyway with glow plugs getting bent up with 50/60% nitro before trying the nitrous lol (which again is recomened by K&B in which they setup there engines to run this fuel), using anything less than 40% is a waste of time and would not be competive considering everyone is running 40 to 60%. At the time it seemed like a good idea to try this because I was/am such a nitrous freak. This was about 8-10 years ago now, I think I still have the busted parts and kit in a box somewhere I will look for and post some pics. Anyway got any ideas Derek?

If I ever did try this again it would be with a fogger nozzle and wet but whats the point if we cant keep the glow plug alive, I think the problem is the glow plugs cant deal with the cyl pressure the engine can make with it. I would probably have better luck and make more power injecting windsheild washer fluid into a nitro engine lol. I can't help wondering now if there is a diffrence in the quality of the whipped cream nitrous bottles compared to the real/fullsize stuff. btw, correct me if I am wrong, doubling up the nitro content from 20 to 40+ should increase the power 20/30%. If I remember correct no one in the local NAMBA club here runs less than 40% nitro in the .21 engine classes.

Hey, i just rememberd I posted some cool nitrous parts a while back on rcu lol. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_2342886/tm.htm

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Boss, I am aware that higher percent nitro fuel is out there. But there is a big difference in Nitrous and Nitromethane, although they achieve the same goal. The both increase the available oxygen in the burn, and increase the intensity of the charge.

I can't really help you with Nitrous, simply because I'm not the nitrous company. I tested something that was designed for a specific application. For what i can think of in your senario is that maybe 50% nitro and Nitrous is just too much of the same thing. You can't burn pure oxygen. I'm not familiar with the K&B engine you ran it in. Was it ringed? NX is releasing a .23cc engine kit which is to be used on 1/5 and "weed eater" motors, but that's a gas mixture engine.

I just think of fullsized dragsters that run off a similar fuel to ours. I don't think they benefit from more "O2" at a point and need more air. If that makes any sense.

All I can really say is the kit we tested for the application intended worked. If somebody could me grape juice injection make more power, even though I would say it would never work, if we tested it and it did.....I can't argue with it.

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Well i agree with you on that Derek, when we tryed this we thought that there was a bit of extra power coming from unburnt fuel in this deal because of the rpms and extra water being shot out of the pool, in our case it just did not seem like very much (not 20/30%). We were just comparing it to a fullsize engine where a 10:1 engine has a better result (more punch) vs a 13:1 engine using it. I got the mag issue last night and had a quick look when I was sitting on the crapper and I wont/cant disagree anymore with your findings with that setup, it just raised more questions for us in our tests which did not work/hurt parts. Again I am wondering now about what diffrences there may be from using real nitrous from auto refill stations to whats packaged in the small whipped cream nitrous bottles...(makes me think of strawberrys). The engines we use are not ringed http://www.mecoa.com/kb/67/5390.htm and there are a good few diffrent manufacturers of them. The r/c "gas" nitrous kits have been around with us since the mid? 90's (magnum company?) and used the same whipped cream bottles which did work good on those engines, I don't think they really cought on back then. we also think that just injecting/fogging in a higher % nitro into the engine would give same results for less money and maybe safer, if the engine is running on 40%, shoot some 60+% in it for a short spurt as a power adder, hopfully the plug may survive better, just never got around to trying it yet. Anyway your test is interesting, it would still be an interesting to see higher % fuel used for power comparision, not to mention trying fogging in higher % nitro,... or peroxide or windsheild washser fluid or methane gas or dog pee or grape juice too lol, because I think these could all show a power increase on the dyno.:D


Has anyone else here wondered why they dont use nitrous in nitromethane powered top fuel bikes and cars

http://www.kingracing.com/index.html ...check out the info and vid clips.

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They aren't allowed to.

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YUP, thats right, ever wonder why:D

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because 330 mph in a 1/4 mile is fast enough.

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No such thing as "fast enough" in drag racing lol:D, nitromethane engines are allready bombs to begin with lol.:D

http://www.nhra.com/2001/action/fc/Del_Worsham02.jpg

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I have a few thoughts on this. I have no doubt whatsoever that this makes power. If anyone is intrested, I already have JagRCs older cartridge kit videos hosted, so I could link some tests....

Question...

WHY does it cost 200 for a solenoid, switch, and a few odds and ends that seemingly worth about 75 at retail?

Jag's kit (I didn't host for him nor was I ever affiliated with him, his site went down, I had the videos and someone at a different time wanted to see them) was less than HALF, and gave adjustability to the user as far as output...

While I am in favor of it's application here, it is inarguable that the mixture becomes leaner. The stoichiometric takes into account only atmospheric air's oxygen content when used to derive the ratio of parts "air" to fuel. When the oxygen content of the intake charge is raised (which it IS with nitrous) , that ratio will change unless the fuel is raised in a per-part proportional basis. The math cannot be denied. That is why when simply changing fuel from 20% nitromethane to 30% nitromethane that the mixture must be richened up. The extra nitromethane is oxygen bearing, thus for the same volume of air, more fuel can be burned, and needs to be. Also, nitrous goes from liquid to gas at -258degF. This low temperature adds density also to incoming air from the cooling effect, thus putting more oxygen into the same area (density!) as previously occupied. Without an increase in fuel, it will absolutley be leaner than ideal unless you run very rich off the bottle.

The reason that the new dry nitrous systems work on cars (new as in, NOT sneaky pete, but perhaps NOS's 5177 125hp dry kit for GM LSx engines) is that the spray goes BEFORE the mass air sensor. The mass air sensor will measure the density of the incoming charge and the engine management system will meter fuel accordingly, as long as the fuel system can support it.

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If I could make a guess......... I'd say that the design would cater more to the 50%-60% nitromethane rather than the use of N20. (After all they are designed to burn nitromethane first and formost.)

So for a car magazine not to test another way to make more power from the same engine without adding all the weight is biased and maybe a little bit absurd IMO. (The test of a higher nitro fuel might validate the results if the 50-60% nitromethane test yeilded poor results.)

The whipping cream cylinders are not exactly lightweight and adding the gear to use them does not make this any better. So when you take this all into concideration, does the small increase in power bennifit you when you look at this in terms of a "power to weight ratio"?

If I like piano music, is it better to put a piano in my truck rather than a great stereo system?

If the higher nitro content in fuel yeilds more power (which I know it does.), then why not run higher nitro and save all the extra weight, expence and greif?

Does someone think that the whipping cream N20 is not as hard on the engine as the higher nitro fuel?

Without something else to compare it to, the great power increase is meaningless when there is another cheaper, easier and logical options.

I'll bellive how great this system is when I see it become mainstream.

Untill this time I'm just going to keep burning higher nitro fuels (as I have been for years.)

But I have a feeling that I won't ever see this new atempt at re-inventing the wheel take hold.

Just my opinion though.

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Oh and I also forgot to mention that even if you burn higher nitro fuel and ruin the engine..... The 200 bones should be enough dough for a new one.:D

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This wasn't a test of the NX kit versus nitro content. So I'm not sure what is obsurd? Car engines are NOT design nor shimmed to use 50-60% so why would I test it with that.

And I'm guessing you don't read our magazine. We did a test of nitro content (sorry in the car useable range of 10-30%) and it doesn't make a 30% increase in power going from 10- to 30%.

What you're arguing is that if it's good to do or a waste of money. That is up to you. For some that $200 is nothing. For some it's living for a month.

The system is heavy and in some cars adding a pound is a lot. In a 12-18lb monster truck adding that isn't. I'm not here defending the system, but it does what it says. It's hard to argue that and especially since the majority of people who can't fathom something working have never touched it. Like you I didn't think it would do anything, but like it says in there, we were proven wrong.

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As I said in my previous post, " The design of these is more intended for higher nitro than it is for nitrous." As far as I know there is not a single r/c engine manufacturer that has any design in place to accomidate the use of nitrous. (Am I wrong about this?)

I've thumbed through it on occasion, but do not get it regularly. (Still like it better than most of the others that are just a manufacturers catalogue that you pay for though. :) )

I have run 10-20% in the past and now I only run 40% plus and can feel a huge power loss if I use anything less.

Point well taken.
I think I'd have to agree with you on that. I don't think this kit gives you good bang for the buck. (And to see the HPI engine posed for a photo op with a 1/1 nitrous bottle instead of the whipping cream charger seemed like an advertisment of sorts.)

I'm not saying that you're test is flawed in any way, but was everything taken into concideration?

If installed the way the manufacturer says, you put the tube into the stock (restricted) air filter.
Does the flow of realeased nitrous just provide more flow into the engine therefore allowing it to burn the fuel at hand? After all, the amount of available fuel isn't being increased.

I wonder what just compressed air would do being pushed in at the same rate and in the same fashion.

Just some random thoughts.

Thanks for replying back Derek.

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dude, what is your problem already??? the system works, and thats it. its been proven, yet you keep on arguing. now that youve been proven wrong, that it does work, you switch to other tactics to put the product down. this product doesnt give you a constant boost of power like a higher content nitro fuel will, it is designed to give you a small boost of power(15 sec boost) when you need/want it. if i wanted to have a little fun and get a 30% boost in power out of my engine just for the hell of it every now and then, it would be a whole lot cheaper and easier for me to buy this instead of spending more money on 50% nitro fuel instead of 25%. not to mention 50% nitro fuel isnt readily available to just anyone. i cant go to my small local RC shop and get 50% nitro, the highest i can get is 35%(trinity monster horsepower/platinum too, good stuff. or XTM at my other shop). and just because your K&B marine engine is designed/reccomended to use 50% fuel doesnt mean my XTM .18 in my XTM x-cellerator is designed to, nor reccomended to. im not saying that this system is better than higher content fuel, that is up to your self to decide, and im not promoting it for racing. its not like its a light weight kit, but for bashers like me who do not want to consistently spend a good bit more money buying your uber-nitro-content fuel this is great. shouldnt cost $200 though, thats for sure.

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hey
i have an NX nitrous system in my T-Maxx and my Ford GT. It great if your just bash your truck but for racing it not very good caz it all go in the middle of the race. to fix that i added a extra servo to my GT and now this thing is awsome for racing!!!!I usally use it on the last lap when i'm 2-4 place and it knocks me up to first. i lov it for racing and driving on my street but i only do it when i'm full throtle and goin top speed caz it will wreck the engine if you do it too early.

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Funny to see that most "visitors" do criticize A LOT the system.
That's the problem of many forums.
1 system, 1 conception or 1 idea only receive criticism, not more.
I'm more positive in my mind.
GREAT IDEA to give your experiences of NX kit.
The joined informations are very understandable and helps to evaluate
the system and to look forward using & testing the "THING".
As you receive more negative than positve points, my reaction is that i'm
going to buy in Germany a kit and TEST IT A LOT.
By the way, the German tean NX is perfect. They do answer to questions and
quickly.
I never talk of something i do not have tested or simply have.
I will give you a story of engine use.
* I had in my mind ( Not more than a dream ) to use a WANKEL in a Truck.
* All forums criticize the Wankel and it is all about.
* I did a personal design an application up to the final test on field.
* GREAT FUN and superb SHOW.
* EPILOG: Not every things were correct in the forums.
Ok it is thursty, but what a pleasure.
Look at this forum for more. Bad luck it is so calm now.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_31...tm.htm#3310451

My own principle of life is: IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, YOU CAN MANAGE & If you
really wants to make it running, you finally will succeed!!!!!!
But please DO NOT CRITICIZE something you haven't test or see in work.
Maybe you can be jalous, than i will understand....................

Back to NX system.
For all those that says the engine will run lean, have you ever tried or have seen
a lean engine. I'm always trying to be as lean as possible and up to now
all my engines have lived more than expected. They are COMPETITION ENGINE.
So normally they should live less..
Some other competitors do always run hotter and leaner than myself.
Their engine do live a bit shorter but they hold the distance quite well.
Some beginners are running so lean..... and it works a while.
My "opinion" is that the NX will bring the engine lean, OK, but a so short
time that it won't hurt, unless if used NON-STOP. If used in continu, buy a
bigger engine and keep away from this thread.

My hesitations are concerning the bottles.
Can we refill them or where to buy at a relatively low price?
In Belgium, i probably will be the 1st to test the "PSSSCHIT" ( Fast & furious ).
Is it possible to adjust the amount of N2O that the valve delivers per second?
How long could the system perform with a 8 gr bottle in continu?
It is only for my own study.

Anyway, don't hesitate to give informations, i will eat them with pleasure.

END: RC IS GOOD FUN. NX will certainly bring a greater fun.
It will certainly help to be different. Isn't it what most of us want to?