Wide Open - I'm sorry we ruined your thread with our debate, I've removed our off topic posts so you can have your thread back.

Tweek - I'm sorry we could not agree on this and I kept trying to prove you wrong. I am mostly into the electric side of things so I was probably wrong on this debate, you win

Tweek:

The Masher 2k's weigh in at 88 grams. The Proline speedhawgs weigh in at 45 grams. The M2k's do indeed weigh almost DOUBLE what the speed hawgs do.

The Gladiator weighs in at 61 grams, and the dirt hawg at 63 grams. Larger tire, more weight, larger roll out, requires more leverage to get it moving.

As for your opinion, Ballooning deceases the available traction, by minizing the contact patch of the tire. Less tire on the surface, means more slippage, and yes, slower top speed!

It's physics, my friend. Not opinion.....

I run mashers 2k with foam inserts and they dont ballon and hook up better than any tire I have tried. The bigger tires make the car handle bad and clumbsy but when your bashing it sucks to have a small tire and get stuck on every little rock and branch because the ground clearance is lower.

I gotta question the top speed thing. If a ballooning tire increases rollout, and assuming traction isn't an issue(like pavement), there wouldn't be slippage. Therefore achieving higher speed.

The rest make sense to me.

maybe we need to find someone that actually owns them and ask their opinion about what they think compared to the stock bowties.[&:] by the way, thanks for keeping the thread going jakjr!

I have 2 sets. ( thats why I got the weights as fast as I did! )

Properly geared my RC10 gets about 38mph running Proline holeshots, and only 34 mph, running the Masher 2k's. Now, that is PROPERLY GEARED. If you don't increase your drive ratio when switching to the much larger tires, you increase the strain on the motor, by doubling it's torque demand, without benefit of additional gear reduction. The result is sluggish acceleration, shorter run times, and higher operating temps, which will result in reduced engine life.

As for the tire ballooning, it is entirely reverse of what you'd think. When you reduce the contact patch of the tire ( by ballooning), you increase it's tendency to slip under acceleration. The resulting loss of traction, will cause a loss of top speed, and a loss of control. To control ballooning, we tape the insides of the tire with heavy duty straping tape. It works for a few races, but the centrifigul force causes the adhesive to give, and the tape fails. If you want a true measurement of top speed, you need to run a tire that is immune to the balloning affect, namely a solid rubber, or solid foam rubber tire.

alright, so ill just get another set of bowties and see how that does. thanks![8D]