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NITROUS EXPRESS SYSTEM just seen this on xrc check out link read for your self [link]http://www.rc411.com/pages/scopes.php?scope=28&page=2[/link] ok look at link before you say any thing lol ONE MORE THING LOOK AT THE REAL HP NUMBERS 1.75 HP not sum wild hp rating lol this was a hpi .28 motor

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Thats cool. Wouldnet all that stuff on ur truck be a little heavy? Besides the fact that alot of rc's just dont have enough spare room on the chassis to install all that nos stuff.

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NEWFIENITRO hi so you make up a sweet little mount for it made of what ever cabon fiber looks sweet so does polish aluminum some thing else to play with its a hobby not a job

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yes the numbers look real but for the price you can STILL just buy a new better engine. that has more power all of the time and is more reliable and doesnt cost extra every nos refill.

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dan what if you all ready have the best motor

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Well if u already have the best motor then u just make a little mount and throw some nos on there :p

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You run more nitro. And plus, the 'best motor' is going to rip your car to shreds anyway. nitrous isnt needed.

if you think you need more power than you can already get out of a 12, in fact if you think your car can survive with more power than a 12 you have no idea.

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dan that is what some people want you have no clue do you its about fun a hobby cheaper then real cars dee dee dee

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For the performance it is FAR cheaper to port your own engine and get the same gains am i wrong?

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I dont think it's worth the money. I still done get how the extra fuel is getting to the engine to stop the lean condition that would occure when the nitrous is injected. They said nothing about that which seems a little odd to me. IDK maybe I missed it, but from what I have seen they didnt say anything about it, and if you have to adjust the needles manually then yoru engine will be as rich as Bill Gates and wont have anymore power until you reach 100% throttle. And only 8 seconds of power seem's way to short for the money that is spent. A better engine would be better, and I can almost guarantee you that you dont have the best engine out there. So you can always step up to a better engine and maybe do a little porting and stuff, but to each his own and if you want it go ahead and get it. But 8 seconds, nah thats just not for me.

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this is the thing, you tune your engine for its normal fulltime performance, like as in you dont risk overleaning and killing it when your just driving around... but then you have that bottle of nitro somewhere in your car, and with an extra channel on your radio(for instance if your not using reverse) you can give a shot of nitro that boosts the engine's performance, since its only running like that for a few seconds , wear shouldnt be a problem, i dont know if an engine can even have time to heat up to the temperatures that you get when you set the needles too lean... think of it as something like on the fly fuel leaning

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Hey guys come on [&o] you got to buy this thing [sm=lol.gif] How us Hobby Shop people going to make money :( if you don't ? Just remember the buck doesn't stop there :D

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to carmatic,

No way for 200 buy a novarossi. end of conversation.

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From what I read about it, there's supposed to be a toggle switch near the throttle switch. When the servo hit's 100% throttle it then pushes the toggle switch over from the off to the on mod where it then gives appox 8 seconds worth of nitrous. 8 seconds is enough to do damage, as it will run lean which means not enough luberication. It doesnt matter weather it gains a whole lot of temp or not for the 8 seconds, there's a lack of luberication there which means some wear and tear will happen.

And when you really start to think about it, here's how it really works. The servo hit's 100% and flips the toggle switch. The nitrous goes off adding it's own oxygen but no extra fuel is added. Well when no fuel is added I dont see how it would add ANY extra power if the engine is already tuned for maximum performance, then it's already using all the fuel. So when you think about it there should be no extra power at all until you retune your engine as the nitrous is not flamable it just add's it's own oxygen when being injected. You need fuel to add the extra power, but no extra fuel is added so no extra power if you really think about it.

So you need the extra fuel to add power and with no extra fuel no extra power, just an overly lean condition. So do you want really crappy performance up until you hit 100% throttle and have awesome performance for those 8 seconds and then once again go back to an overly rich condition. Or would you rather have that performance all the time with just a new engine or a new pipe or something of the like. I know what I would pick for $200 and it wouldnt be the 8 second version of power.

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VERy very good point, but maybe the forced induction draws more air from the whatever effect that draws perfume up old school purfume bottles?

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125 traxxas have 3channel use the 3rd for the nitrous dee dee dee and does any one use 8sec. of nitrous lol
125cc for get about the price price always is super high on new things and yes imo it is way over priced and who says you cant run this with a full ported and polished motor just for kicks
and if this nitrous expresssystem cost 25.00 you and me would buy it in a heart beat

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For bashing, top speed runs, and wheelies down the street, it could be cool.
Not to mention the 'bling factor', and bragging rights.
As far as it shaving seconds off your lap times, I don't see it happening.
Obviously sanction rules don't allow it(do they?), but even from a performance standpoint...The last thing most 2wd stadium trucks need at WOT, is more wheelspin.
Might serve more function on a MT, or truggy.

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hey is this thing real. I think is cool but alot 200$. But have small question will this work on jato 3.3

Also how it work press button or what.

That would be cool.

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I try so hard to refrain from flaming, but dude7422, you're a dumbass.

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WOOHOO go valve.

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LOL :)

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ya hide behind you computer call names ya your a big bad boy lol

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and i post this for the few that want to read,, not fight and flame big words

some people say it does not work well here is the proof it works it not perfect and needs more time to work out the bugs but last time i seen dynos dont lie

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Complete waste of time and money IMO. No matter what the platform (ST, MT, buggy etc) you can purchase a mill that will completely overpower your vehicle. Whether it works or not, whether or not it lessens an engines lifetime, the fact remains that you can put in an engine that will make your vehicle uncontrollable. So why bother unless you just want to say you have one (nothing wrong with that)?

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the draw back i see is the price,lol spray valve battery op. the 9 volt battery what it needs imo is a trigger from a paint ball gun and mount that to a 3rd servo ((small ball valve))

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Dude7422

To actuate the solenoid, an on-off toggle switch is placed near the throttle linkage so that it is depressed when the throttle reaches 100%.

God I love the copy and paste function of these computers. Did you even read the the link that you provided us with I dint think you did.


CONCLUSION
THIS IS WHERE IT GETS GOOD

Additionally, the engine inevitably runs very lean during the nitrous shot as you introduce more oxygen without the ability to add a richer fuel setting, meaning that temperatures increase and wear and tear increases as well. We didn't have enough nitrous bottles to perform a long term test on our HPI truck engine, but during the 6-8 runs we did perform, the engine held up well and continued to run flawlessly when the nitrous was removed.

So there basically telling you that you have an overly lean condition. DO you understand how nitrous works. Nitrous is not flamable, it add's oxygen to the fuel that you have the more oxygen you have the more fuel you can burn. If there's no extra fuel to burn because the engine is already tuned for maximum performance then you get very little and I mean little preformance gain, you get an overly lean condition, your engine gets trashed in the long run, and if you do richen up the needles to get the performance you get sluggish preformance until you hit 100% full throttle. Then for 8 seconds you get maximum power, then after that you get crappy performance again.

So please read the links that you give use before you tell us how they work when you dont know how they work. As for the dee dee dee, I would make sure you know what your talking about before you use that again.

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125 and that solenoid is why its 200 dee dee dee ...and are you not the same person that is always saying that nitrous & sc does not work well your wrong the dyno does not lie

and for the solenoid imo someone could use a small ball manual valve hooked to a 3rd servo and give small hits of nitrous you would not get the over lean problem 8sec is a long time for nitrous get it dee dee dee ONE MORE POINT AT ONE POINT IN TIME DIDN'T PEOPLE BELIVE THE WORLD WAS FLAT

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Thats because SC dont work, look you cant believe anything you want and which you will. Lokk at all the experts that dont use them. Dont you think if they worked all the pro drivers would be using them, but yet there not, you have to know how 2 strokes work to realise that a SC wont work. As for the nitrous I never said it wouldnt work, it will work. But listen to what I am saying before you post next time.

Ok here it goes are you listening. To get power out of this system you have to have your engine rich. Nitrous is not flamable it's an oxidiser which means it carry's it's own oxygen. Fuel does not carry it's own oxygen and fuel need oxygen to burn. Without the oxygen fuel doesnt burn right.

So when you add nitrous you need to add more fuel which means more power correct. Ok now that we have that down that you need to richen the needles up. Ok now that you have the needles richened up you will have more power when the nitrous is being used. But when the nitrous is not being used you have a really pig rich engine that doesnt want to perform like it otherwise would when you have it tuned for maximum performance.

So you eitherr let the needle setting go and have an over lean condition like the article that failed to fully read said, or you have a pig rich engine thats has no power until the nitrous is used. As for the dyno not lying well I never said it lied, you just have to look at the fact. Do you want a engine that explodes in 2 gallons or do you want a pig rich engine that dies prematurely becuase the engine temps are only at 180.

As sated I dont think you fully thought this idea through, and you didnt read the whole article like I DID. I just think you really understand how things work. But like the other thread I doubt that you will read this fully through so I expect another post just like you did. With no real reasoning behind it.

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125 the dyno graph shows the power thats all

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Did you read what I posted. I dont think you did read what I posted. And if you do read then post why I might be wrong about I say. Not just say well the dyno graph reads that you gained power and thats all.

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125 did or did you not post in the past that nitrous systems dont work ?? simple question
two pa dudes posting it out lol

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We have another form of racing that we do micro midgets and the one guy I know tryied nitrous in his engine. He said he felt no noticable difference in power, Thats what I said. I may have said that they did work in the way that they where setup. But never the less unless you set your engine pig rich, meaning that if you have your engine setup for maximum performance the way that it is it wont give any noticable performance. As the little fuel that is extra to burn wont give th epower that is neede to counter act the weight of everything that is neede to make it work.

So in a sence the way they want you to think it will work it doesnt work. Another words they want you to think you will hhave all this extra power while your enigne is set at maximum performance, but unless there is a way to get more fuel (like a wet shot on a 1:1 car) it wont gain any noticable performance like they want you to believe. Yes it will agin some power from the fuel that is left unburnt, but as sad the extra weight of this stuff will off set any gains.

You can believe what you want, but there are facts that need to be looked at, unless you run the engine pig rich (with no power until you get the nitrous to hit) you wont gain any performance from this application.

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125 why dont you have any photos of your rc cars in gallery here ???and your buddy that used nitrous maybe his nitrous shot was not large enough for what he was doing

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To end it all

4 channel radio & a very loose high speed needle that can be richened via a servo when a separate servo activates the nitrous...

Have fun doing everything at once though...

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lol sounds like a fix to the problem to me lol 125 needs to open his mind to new things and why didnt i think of that lol you know some fools is going to post about the 4 servos weight guess they never seen a micro

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Please read the whole post and not just some of it.

Why dont I have photos, I dont know, because I dont. Never really thought about doing it, and could care less about pics on my gallery. If you notice I dont have an avatar either, but that and the pics are not at the top of my list of things to do when I wake up in the morning. As some may know I have 1 xxx-nt with a O.S .18CVR in it. I have a xxx-t with a novak esc and a 11 turn Team Orion Rush motor on it along with a 27 turn P2K PRO Team Trinity motr with a 1500 stick pack to power them. I have 2 T-Maxx's, well actually one, the 2nd one it torn to bits and I use it as a parts truck really. There nothing special, as I'm not here to impress anybody, thats not my goal in life, I'm in this hobby to have fun and I know that if I post some pics like I have done other places then people start to say ohh well thats a crappy rc and mine's better like someone already has done to me in this site already. Thinking his rc10gt was way better then mine when he never even seen a pic of my truck. Some people just get a kick out of that I guess.

As for being in PA yeah thats cool. I live in the southern end of PA, I live in lancaster county and the town of maheim to be more exact. We are known for our football team and for the worlds largest Auto Auction. I played football and have wrestled. I also did karate and took some self defense classes with a ex-green beret, I went to school for sheet metal and did a lot of learning and made some great and not so great thing. I even tried making two exhaust pipes for my xxx-nt when I was doing some machining
(thats the not so great things that I tried to make LOL). There's my life story

As for the shot not being big enough I dont know maybe it wasnt I dont know the specifics. As for the 4 channel radio with a another servo. I didny really think about that but since you started the thread Dude7422 why dont you go ahead and show us this servo and how it will work out. Take care of the bugs then put a patent on it then go make the millions.

As for opening my mind I like to believe I have a pretty open mind as you have to, to be part of a race team and trying to be competitive. I'm am always trying to learn new things and try and learn from my mistakes.

But why would you need 4 servo's. One throttle/ brake servo one steering and the other (if you even try it) for the nitrous. As the link said they did like 6-8 runs and they couldnt do any test to see what the nitrous would do to the long term affect of the engine. As I said if you want to go ahead and do the nitrous I'm not stopping you just be prepared to have it run pig rich or lean as crap. Either one I dont like doing to my engine.

I'm not here trying to start a flame war, I'm really not. I'm just saying what will happen, if you can come up with ways to get around these problems then by all means do and and have fun. We are here to have fun so if nitrous will make you have a little more fun with your car then go ahead and do it by all means. I'm just here trying to warn you of what to problems to expect if you do get this product. But if eveything goes right for you (which I hope you the best ) then go have some fun with it.

Have fun with it and go kick some butt if it works, But I wouldnt expect the world of it and have it run short of your expectations. Believe me I know how that feels and I dont like that feeling, so I'm here just trying to give you a warning.

Peace Dude (no pun in tended)

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I think this is what he is saying about servo controlled HSN, I dont intend to use it beacause its not race legal.

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I suppose the 4th servo would somehow control the hsn, so when the nitrous fires, it can richen the needle.
How about an auxiliary fuel cell that supplements the mixture when the system is activated?

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I would buy the kit to make a purge kit. I wouldn't actually use it in the motor. I would just put a 3rd servo on that would activate the purge. It would look bad @$$!

I have a 100 shot on my camaro. Works great, and I can't possibly see how a rc motor could benefit from nitrous due to the lack of nitro added. AND, nitrous has to be around 950 psi to work correctly. If pressure is too low, nitrous returns to a gas state (nitrous at proper pressure is in liquid form). I don't see how you could accuratly measure pressure of nitrous on an rc car. In my camaro, you can feel the difference between 800 psi and 950 psi.

The timing of your motor would also be thrown off since nitrous raises temprature, your glow plug would probably heat up quicker advancing your timing (the opposite of what you want to happen with nitrous) and you would loose performance there also.

I love nitrous, it just doesn't make sense why you would use it in an rc car.

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heh , how about a servo that both leans the hsn and shoots the nitrous... no engine damage there, after abit of trial and error maybe...
also, i think the amount of lube that enters the engine doesnt decrease when your shooting the nitrous, its just that fuel like never gets 100% combusted in any engine, which is where nitrous comes in, but then again im no good with nitro engines...acheiving a higher % of fuel burnt in the cylinder somehow makes the engine get less lubricated?

::edit:: i think its kind of cute tho, tuning your needles via servos on the go..... even if its not race legal maybe people can just make a mount for the servo on the chassis so they dont have to keep on driving back to wrench on their cars,just keep adding clicks on the radio until the engine sounds just about right... but a 4 channel radio might be abit expensive tho....