I checked on that before I commented, I saw the 3-turn spin wasn't in the new Advanced, just woulda liked a change or maybe a 1/2 spin. Keep in mind everyone who has moved up to Masters in the past couple of years or will be moving up in the next year or two have already flown that maneuver ad nauseum. Definitely agree, it shouldn't be 2 one and a half turn spins opposite. That's definitely F3A there.

Aerodynamically, a spin reversal is technically impossible. Tony and I were talking about the 2 turn spin in opposite directions. This makes the maneuver very hard to judge properly.

Right, but those were both single snaps. Seems like having both a snap and a half and a single snap will mess with the timing a little. If I ever get out from under this wind and rain, I'll find out. I haven't flown since the D4 Champs in Kentucky so the whole thing should be an adventure....

Verne

Maybe on the next schedule, we can have a 2-turn spin on the end as a turnaround. We haven't done THAT in a looong time.

Verne

Looks very nice! I will try the sequence tomorrow.
Hmmm, I need to make a decision now!
If I like it I'm gonna quit flying F3A and start flying Masters as I am not getting anywhere with flying FAI.
It will be more fun to me to fly a nice schedule like this with shorter flight time so that I won't kill my batteries. LOL

Nedim

Oh I agree, but it would have been interesting, Much less work than the reverse avalanche however.

Less pucker factor as well.

Tim

Tim,

I think a reversed spin is much harder than the reverse avalanche that we had. That was just an inside loop from the top with a snap at the bottom. You were upright when you started and finished at the bottom of the loop. In the next sequence I do hope to see a spin at the end of the box instead of ending the sequence with a spin.

Arch

Shhhhhh

Followed by a loop with a 4 pt at the top

Sorry Joe, couldn't resist.

Arch

Masters once had a 1.5 inverted spin turn around, 1994 iirc. I flew it a few times back then. it was fun

I seem to remember the 1 1/2 spin as being at the end of the box as a turnaround, but I got CRS pretty bad!

Not that long ago, there was a 2 turn spin at the end of the box I think. It might have been 1 1/2, but it was definitely at the end of the box.

I remember one of the recent past FAI sequences having an inverted two turn spin as a turnaround maneuver. Maybe that's the one I was thinking of rather than the 1 1/2 Masters spin.

This is actually excellent feedback, as it lets the sequence committee guys know of stuff people would like to see in future sequences.

Arch

Hi All

Not currently flying Masters but my suggestion would be to eliminate scoring the takeoff & landing as those scores are more dependant on buffetting wind conditions than skill at the Masters level. This would also acknowledge the Masters flyers abilities to be "on parr" with the FAI P-Series flyers.

In our district it is my opinion that the requirement to fly F-11 on Sunday has a lot to do with why some don't move up to FAI. There is no doubt that flying F-11 requires more demands on equipment, available dollars, and time requirements. There is some increase in ability required for F-11 but to me it is the least of the other demands and provides minium return for the expense and time demands for a lot of people that either do not attend the Nat's regularly or have the ability to make the semi finals! Those that do go regularly and have the ability and expectation of making the semifinals should fly the F-11 but not at the "expense" of others! F series was designed for one thing only and that was to differentiate the abilities of the "Top Fliers" at the World Championships every other year!! It was never intended to be flown at "Local Contests!" I may be the only one who feels this way but it's the asked for input.

I am sure there are those that would say, then why not fly Masters? They could, but currently there are NO "rollers" in Masters and P series does incorporate some "mild" versions of rollers that those progressing in FAI will get the experience, ability, and aquired expection for making the Nat's semi finals. Those that do not have that expectation can at least compete in FAI at the local events. In our district, it's a "Major Leap" to go from Masters to FAI!

Dick Mundee

Dick,

I dont think you'll find many guys who don't want to fly F at local contests. Guys understand it helps prepare guys for the NATS and with the top 20 in FAI at the NATS having to fly F, it affects a good deal of people.

Also, I think takeoffs and landings should still be scored, as when we didn't, some of the takeoffs and landings even in Masters were eventful. I don't care what the conditions are, guys can still fly through it and land nicely.

Arch

In the Northeast, flying the F is optional to the pilot. For scoring, the P sequence K's are kept in place and the F maneuvers are flown by those who want to. Usually in the end it hasn't mattered.

Arch

I am guessing your right, but that was my input.

I know a number of people that feel similarly but would not say so publically!
I have never been "shy" about expressing my opinion even when I know it may not be popular or the "Manly" thing to say!

Dick

Dick,

Different opinions are always welcome. I lose every argument I have with my wife at home, so I'm used to different points of views and not winning all the time...lol

Arch

"Yes Dear" is the proper response there Arch.

Joe

I like that solution. It takes care of evryones wishes and personal goals!

Hey Mark and Distric 6 FAI pilots. Would anyone object to Joe's suggestion for next years contests?

I am guessing it will not matter much as far as out come to the event but it will at least allow new FAI flyers to compete on both days while they work up tp F-ll maneuvers. I really don't see a down side!

Regards
Dick

Dick,

I dont know of anyone who wont move up to FAI in our district beacuse of the F-11 being flown on Sunday.

Chuck

Hi Chuck
There may not be any Masters that would move up next year. I don't think anyone knows for sure. I do know that there are people who currently fly FAI in District 6 that would rather fly our district contests as per the actual rules which do not include flying F-11 on Sunday. I realize that it's up to the individual CD's to change things as long as it is pre published prior to the event. I am also fairly confident that even more would like having the choice. Personally I will go along with either way and enjoy it. I just don't see a down side with offering a choice?

Regards
Dick

I believe one of the main reasons that D6 flies F on sunday is that almost everyone who goes to NATS makes the semis. We have a strong pressence at NATS and do well there because our FAI guys are practiced and prepared for it.

Chuck

Dick,

After flying down there for a few years. I know there are a couple of guys who might not want to fly F, but I would bet the majority does. I know Earl, Andre, Mark, Brett, Hebert and others really liked flying F. There are a couple that may not, but I would be the majority do like flying F.

Arch