I am still a glow die hard and love my YS, headaches and all at times! Flew my 160DZ today purring and pulling like a monster at 8300 RPM APC 18.1x10W on YS 20/20. Yes Jim Woodward this is the same one you sold me years ago. I also still fly on 72 mHz now that you all moved on to 2.4 GHz it is like a VIP 72 mHz club. I am with Jim Woodward and David Bathe that we should still support the glow effort as well. I like the beautiful smoke trail and noise queue I get as feedback to what my airplane is doing (speed, etc.). Besides as my brother in law said who is a captain flying in Brazil when I took him to the RC field....yours (mine) is the one that mostly looks like a real airplane in the sky. This may sound unamerican but now you guys are pushing me to root for CPLR.....Viva YS/OS! I am not against electric but let the glow live on as well. MTK I need your official support!

Dave,

It was about the same as last year, no? 4 out of 16 flew wet power. Last year was, what, 5 out of 20?...... Maybe we had 6 out of 20 last year, I don't remember

Still 75% electric is very significant; and in very short time, as predicted by many, when we first saw Shulman with his electric. In Pattern that is

There were several other non-pattern people flying large planes with early LiPos/esc, and paving the way, before Jason made his electric pattern debut 7 or 8 years ago

YS couldn't and didn't care less about supporting me when I had my DZ170CDI problem and wouldn't reply to my e-mails or the e-mails from the retailer. Apart from the warranty repair for a rear bearing failure at at about 60 flights, for the next problem I was on my own. After 5 months of being left out in the cold chasing down some intermittant fault and replacing just a touch over $400AUD in parts the engine is now running like a train again.

I didn't sign on to be a beta tester for YS.....

Hey, there's still one American makin noise!

I am pretty sure OS still sells more glow engines of all sizes than any of the electric motor manufacturers, as they are probably the most dependable glow engines(exclude the 200), but I don't think they are loosing that much, it is my opinion that in a market where more electrics are being used, an electric line of motors is the correct business desition to compete in that area, everybody knows OS means quality and performance, so electric OS should be the same.

If YS comes out with an electric motor, I will buy it just because it says YS, not because it's electric, just that I know what I will be getting.

There is nothing more sad to me, to see fly an electric warbird!! there are too many choices for all kind of motors and engines on this hobby, just to affirm nobody will keep flying glow or gasoline is as mistaken as those who think electrics are no good enough.

There is something for every airplane/pilot out there, more and more choices.


Regards

Alejandro P.

Volkert
Lost a Visa [failed to plug in Ailerons] and a De Ja Vu [failed Aileron servo] I am now flying the same Neu Motor with no repair other than I cleaned it up and serviced the gear box! Both aircraft were damaged beyond repair! Motor makes "Awesome" power!
Dick

Alejandro,

I understand what you're saying but check this out.

Freddy,

What do you mean?

I'll tellya this about this past weekend at the Jackson NJ contest. There were several guys that had DaveL's electric set-up in their planes. Neu geared motor turning very quiet 21X14 carbon props. The main noise maker was the gear box in the air

To me, it was quite curious that the noise in the air of the Neu powered models was not much different than the 2 stroked, piped models. The other interesting tidbit was that there was virtually no difference in the sound of the glow engines and the gasoline engine I was flying (2 strokes only of course)

The single hardest problem I had going to Electrics was NOT getting a sound report back from the engine like we do with IC engines. I would be flying along and the airplane would start sinking until I realized I'd never pushed the throttle up. Another thing is with electrics is waiting on the airplane to get to where you want it to be, it'll get there, you just learn to wait. They don't go ballistic like my YS powered planes would do.

I prefer electrics in every aspect now.

When George Asteris changes to Electrics that is the end of IC in the pattern world. I think even CPLR will change before George does. We're working on him at every contest.

Tim

Tim,

I beg to differ on the one statement of having to wait on the plane to get there. My Winds accelerate SIGNIFICANTLY faster than my Black Magic ever did. I'm sure this is partially motor/airframe combo dependent, but you have instantaneous torque and response on electrics. I would also bet my Winds will run down anything YS powered out there if I wanted them to.

Arch

Tim,

You can prop the plane to be ballistic if you want to fly that way or you can buy a higher KV motor or some other combination thereof. When you do, either your vertical will suffer or you'll be drawing more current. If you go the more current route, just be sure all your gear is up to handling it. There are no limitations here except the FAI/AMA imposed 50V maximum.

Mike

I agree Arch, my Sickle will accelerate like it was shot out of a cannon on verticals when I fly the speed I need to in the horizontal. Almost like a turbo kicks in. I find myself waiting what seems to be an eternity on the 1/2 roll to 1/2 outside loop coming into the spins. Probably because I'm making it so big. My YS never pulled as hard as my Electric appears to. Jeff and Chris both told me I might need to dial my top end down 10-15%. Not sure on that one.

Tim

Tim

Ditto to what Arch said on acceleration. My guess is you needed to tweak your throttle curve to get the initial feeling you were missing.

Dick

I've gotta agree with the e-warbirds. Nothing repeat nothing comes close in sound to the big e-powered warbirds now showing.<div>The only IC engines worth a damn are the big Mokis and even they sound seriously pale in comparison to the big prop electrics with sound generators.</div><div>Sorry any scalies out there, just like F3A your IC power future was closed down some years ago for exectly the same reasons as ours: Power and sound.</div>

Jeff flew my Sickle the last two rounds of Masters in Covington after a gear plate breaking in his and he said we needed to work on the curve as he normally uses from 1/2 to full throttle and mine is only really useful from 3/4 to full so your hint would seem to be correct. He also said we needed to work out some "Other Issues" as well.

Seems he thought it was my flying that sucked all this time.

Seriously however, playing at the field is one thing, flying an airplane in a Round or two really shows the issues.

Concentration levels go way up in front of a set of judges.

Tim

Sorry for your troubles. I think you had everyone's support to get up and running again. Competitively, I look at electric stuff much like "game improvement" golf clubs. All this 'new' technology proven time and again by iron-byron (swing robot). The ball is going measureably straighter and farther than ever but the average handicap hasn't dropped at all. Top end guys still play blades. Competitively, I haven't see anyone switch to electric and become a better pilot. But, anything that keeps us interested as a hobby is a good thing. I just don't understand the animus from the recently E-converted, to hound the downfall of glow engines so much.
Jim W.

Yup...neither have I. Maybe the total number of lost rounds due to bad runs or no starts has been reduced slightly.

On the other hand, whenever an engine starts running strange, you stop "flying" and start "listening" .......that really screws up your timing. There is nothing like having confidence in your equipment's capability. Main reason I switched to gasoline last year. Reliability has been very good overall; not trouble free, but everything has a learning curve.

IC or Electric?? Vinyl or CD??

For outright performance, reliability, reduced wear and tear on equipment and now price, I'd give the points to Electric.

For my personal satisfaction and for presentation in the air I'd hand my points over to IC.

I still think OS should have released a motor/esc combo to ensure a certain level of performance. It's like releasing an engine without a carb or muffler, leaving the customer to fit whatever he thinks might work then complain when it doesn't run right..

Ok, I stand corrected.  I just came back from our first contest here in District 4 at the Muncie site and glow is all but gone.  We had 26 contestant's and all but 3 were E powered.  2 Sportsman and one Intermediate and the rest were electric.  We had as many counter rotating prop setups as we had E power.    A massive shift from fall of last year.

Muncie is going to need to upgrade their power to the flight lines.  We blew breakers about every 30 minutes. 

Great contest though.  Beautiful weather for the first time this year.

At the contest in Conyngham, PA there were 18 pilots and all but 3 were electric. Last year it was about 50-50 if I recall correctly.

Never saw so many Honda generators in one place at one time!

Now to start getting everyone to place the generators several feet behind the tent line <g>

They are noisy and annoying under a tent.

I had a 25-foot extension cord and could have (and should have) moved it back a bit toward the road. Was that your very long (and very sturdy) extension cord that was stretched over the road? Not a bad idea since there was virtually no traffic once we got underway.

The reason I didn't was because on the morning of the first day it looked like it might rain. Then I was too lazy to move it later. All batteries were charged up for Sunday and didn't even use it then.

As long as the generator is less than 5kg and 94dB I don't see a problem

Soooooooooo... with glow we used to go to the field with: Starter (1Kg); glow plug batt (few grams), fuel can (2 to 4 kgs) and pump for refueling (200 grams). With electrics we have to bring 1+battery pack (1Kg each), charger (1/2 a kg?), generator (at least 5kg), fuel for it... we can also just bring 4 battery pack for a normal flying day (leaving all the re-charging stuff at home).
Being so, I'll keep my 4S glow setting... I don't see where the "real" advantage is, specially if I consider the cost of the batteries.
Instead with gas we bring just the fuel can, right?
You can kill me but it's how I see it.
Regards
G.

I´m sorry guys. Electric is just....GAY. [sm=what_smile.gif]