My suggestion to increase pattern participation
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PATTERN HERE IN THE uK IS IN DECLINE THE SAME AS JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE ELSE BUT IMAC SEEMS TO BE GROWING!
NOW AS AN EXPERIENCED BUT NONE COMPETTIVE PILOT I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DRIVE ME AS IM BORED WITH CHUCKING IT ABOUT ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON.
FIRST POINT TO MAKE IS MOST GO TO IMAC AS THE MODELS (artf) YOU CAN BUYT CLOSLY RESEMBLE THE BIGGER PETROL STUFF THAT THE TOP PILOTS ARE USING AND THERE IS A WIDE CHOICE OF AIRFRAMES,
I LIKE THE LOOK OF SMOOTH GRACEFULL FLYING SO ITS PATTERN FOR ME BUT LIKE OTHERS HAVE SAID THE ENTRY LEVEL CLASS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A HIGH END MOTOR AND MODEL, THIS PUT MANY OFF PLUS THE FACT THAT IN THE UK YOU RARELY SEE PATTERN MODELS BEING PUSHED IN THE ADVERTS BUT CAPS AND EXTRAS THERES 100S OF THEM.
THE GENERAL THOUGHT WHEN I LOOKED AT HAVING A GO WAS TO BUY A USED MODEL THAT HAD BEEN FLOWN BEFORE TO GET A TASTE FOR IT BEFORE HAVING TO BUY A COMPETATIVE MODEL , THIS WAS QUITE WRONG BUT THE GENERAL PERCEPTION IS THAT THIS IS THE CASE.
THE QUESTION YOU NEED TO ASK IS WHY IS IMAC GROWING AT THE EXPENCE OF PATTERN?
I AM GOING TO HAVE A GO AT PATTERN AND THE GBAA ARE VERY HELPFUL BUT THE VIDEO OF THE SCHEDUALS WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN THE ARESTI DIAGRAMS
TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED , ADVERTISE THE CLASSES AND DO IT IN AN INVITING WAY
REGARDS
MAJOR
PATTERN HERE IN THE uK IS IN DECLINE THE SAME AS JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE ELSE BUT IMAC SEEMS TO BE GROWING!
NOW AS AN EXPERIENCED BUT NONE COMPETTIVE PILOT I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DRIVE ME AS IM BORED WITH CHUCKING IT ABOUT ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON.
FIRST POINT TO MAKE IS MOST GO TO IMAC AS THE MODELS (artf) YOU CAN BUYT CLOSLY RESEMBLE THE BIGGER PETROL STUFF THAT THE TOP PILOTS ARE USING AND THERE IS A WIDE CHOICE OF AIRFRAMES,
I LIKE THE LOOK OF SMOOTH GRACEFULL FLYING SO ITS PATTERN FOR ME BUT LIKE OTHERS HAVE SAID THE ENTRY LEVEL CLASS SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A HIGH END MOTOR AND MODEL, THIS PUT MANY OFF PLUS THE FACT THAT IN THE UK YOU RARELY SEE PATTERN MODELS BEING PUSHED IN THE ADVERTS BUT CAPS AND EXTRAS THERES 100S OF THEM.
THE GENERAL THOUGHT WHEN I LOOKED AT HAVING A GO WAS TO BUY A USED MODEL THAT HAD BEEN FLOWN BEFORE TO GET A TASTE FOR IT BEFORE HAVING TO BUY A COMPETATIVE MODEL , THIS WAS QUITE WRONG BUT THE GENERAL PERCEPTION IS THAT THIS IS THE CASE.
THE QUESTION YOU NEED TO ASK IS WHY IS IMAC GROWING AT THE EXPENCE OF PATTERN?
I AM GOING TO HAVE A GO AT PATTERN AND THE GBAA ARE VERY HELPFUL BUT THE VIDEO OF THE SCHEDUALS WOULD BE MUCH BETTER THAN THE ARESTI DIAGRAMS
TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED , ADVERTISE THE CLASSES AND DO IT IN AN INVITING WAY
REGARDS
MAJOR
#52
I suggest that you find a real die-hard pattern flyer and start cloning his DNA. Then, you can create as many pattern clones as you want.
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So my suggestion is this. I think we should get rid of the Sportsman class in favor of a beginners Classic Pattern Class. A beginner class in which is not turn around but all centered manuevers. We could call it a Club Class if you will. My old-timer friend Andy said that back in the day it was not unusual to have 50 or 60 guys show up for a contest. If we can find a way to make it less intimidating to get these guys out there, a certain percentage will get hooked with the sport.
Evan
So my suggestion is this. I think we should get rid of the Sportsman class in favor of a beginners Classic Pattern Class. A beginner class in which is not turn around but all centered manuevers. We could call it a Club Class if you will. My old-timer friend Andy said that back in the day it was not unusual to have 50 or 60 guys show up for a contest. If we can find a way to make it less intimidating to get these guys out there, a certain percentage will get hooked with the sport.
Evan
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Dana,
The simple answer to your question is that in the pre-turn around era, you made one manuever per pass. In essence, set your pass up, perform the manuever, execute some kind of non judged turnaround to perform the next pass and manuever. Not having to worry about the box I believe makes it a little easier since you have more time to set-up the plane for each maneuver.
Personally, I am not sure why having the turn around manuevers in Sportsman is such an issue. I flew my first competition with maybe 20 practice flights without any coaching and it went O.K. I actually got quite a bit of help regarding manuever shapes and placement from my callers and judges. I know that I probably exited the box a few times unintentionally but I guess that it was overlooked ("soft judging?"). I believe the judging was more focused on the shape of the manuevers themselves. In intermediate, I believe the judging is a little more strict regarding the box.
Teo
The simple answer to your question is that in the pre-turn around era, you made one manuever per pass. In essence, set your pass up, perform the manuever, execute some kind of non judged turnaround to perform the next pass and manuever. Not having to worry about the box I believe makes it a little easier since you have more time to set-up the plane for each maneuver.
Personally, I am not sure why having the turn around manuevers in Sportsman is such an issue. I flew my first competition with maybe 20 practice flights without any coaching and it went O.K. I actually got quite a bit of help regarding manuever shapes and placement from my callers and judges. I know that I probably exited the box a few times unintentionally but I guess that it was overlooked ("soft judging?"). I believe the judging was more focused on the shape of the manuevers themselves. In intermediate, I believe the judging is a little more strict regarding the box.
Teo
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Thanks Teo, good to know. Thinking back to last season, I vividly remember some anxiety from when my model had left the box, the turnaround didn't turn out as planned because at that point in time my model was very far away and difficult to see. Trying to fly far enough out to maximize box size puts those turnarounds further out than I was comfortable flying then. You can understand that when I blew one of those, while I didn't lose points, LOL, I didn't care anymore because I didn't want to lose the model! I only mention it here because, as we progress, I think there are a lot of things that folks take for granted that may stress out the newcomers. Just a thought. Cheers!
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Dana,
You are probably right. I have been told more than once that I fly a little too fast. So many times I feel rushed trying to keep everything within the box. Flying further out makes the box bigger and easier to manage, but as you mentioned, the planes get small in a hurry. I had forgotten about that. I am now forcing myself to slow down so that I don't feel so rushed, but it has not been easy.
Teo
You are probably right. I have been told more than once that I fly a little too fast. So many times I feel rushed trying to keep everything within the box. Flying further out makes the box bigger and easier to manage, but as you mentioned, the planes get small in a hurry. I had forgotten about that. I am now forcing myself to slow down so that I don't feel so rushed, but it has not been easy.
Teo




