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Old 11-06-2004, 12:17 PM
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Default 90 sized engines

Hi Folks
With the increase in popularity in the 90 sized F3a planes. Why arent engine manufacturers responding by making engines for this class of plane.
Other than the OS91 which is not rear exhaust, the MVVS 90 or the YS 110 there is really no choice.

So what do people think should there be more choice. Should the likes of OS build a dedicated F3A 90 sized engine.?

Mike
Old 11-06-2004, 02:26 PM
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Hi Mike,
I'd LOVE to see a .90 sized Hanno Special, but i'm not sure there is enough demand. There are certainly a lot of .90 sized pattern ships out there (kits and ARFs). Webra makes a pumped, rear exhaust .80 with a carb intake muffler. I think they go for about $400. Considering the weight of the YS 110, I'd go with a pumped Webra 1.20 and a wrap around header. MK has two great 90-110 sized pattern kits: the Skystar 90 and the Topstar 110. We just need to let the manufacturersknow what we want!!
-Will B.
Old 11-06-2004, 03:18 PM
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I agree with Will. I'd love to see a rebirth of the Hano in 90-110 size. The best motor evermade in my opinion.
Old 11-06-2004, 06:22 PM
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Default RE: 90 sized engines

Maybe I'm in the wrong forum, but I was reading this with interest as I happen to have a Hanno Special with header and pipe...but no model for it. Are there kits available which would suit the Hanno? I was looking at the CA models Widebody 60.
I feel that the Hannno in a suitable model would make a very good Winter Practice model
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The Widebody would work and also P. A. C. has several of the 60 size kits. The best flying plane I ever had was a Conquest 7 with the Hano. A Hano with the right prop and pipe is awsome.
Old 11-06-2004, 06:49 PM
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Default RE: 90 sized engines

Cast a vote from me as well, would love to see a pumped, rear exhaust 90 size two stroke.

Flywilly...yep, I have seen the Topstar 110 is now out, looks good...may have to add to my kit collection


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Old 11-07-2004, 09:59 AM
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Anybody know how the MVVS 91 runs? I had a friend that built a pattern plane using the MVVS 77, it was a little finicky to set up, but turned into a very powerful motor.
Old 11-08-2004, 08:47 AM
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Check out page 31 of the Nationals 2004 issue of Model Aviation.....Kange USA TS .91 AR II for $79.77 An OS Max 90 sized clone for 80 bucks. Folks this is what flying a 90 sized model is all about. Jeff B
Old 11-08-2004, 10:22 AM
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Yeah, a Hanno in a .90 size would ROCK only if they could produce it in the $280 street range. Don't think it would happen.
Maybe this is a place for one of the cheaper producers to step in?
Old 11-08-2004, 03:35 PM
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Hi Eoin,
The Widebody .60 is an excellent airplane (I have one), but my personal preference would be the MK SUper VR-90 or the Skystar 90. MK has stopped kitting the Super VR-90, but there may be kits out there (I'm pretty sure Singapore hobbies still has them). The Skystar .90 would also be a great choice. Build them light and cover with film and they'll fly great with a Hanno.
Tom, I had a Conquest 6 with a Hanno - flew great. I think I had about 650 flights on it! PAC does have some great glass and foam kits, but the box is big and I'd predict that overseas shippikng would be costly.
Happy shopping!
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Will, At that point in time that was as good as it got!
My Epsilon would fly with a Hano and pipe. It is about the same weight as the Conquest was.
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All I have to say is that I am too desperate to have a Hanno special 90 size as I have bought the MK Skystar 90. This machine requires just rear exhaust engine. Singapore Hobbies does have a pumped 61 RFP engine but not the 90.
Old 11-09-2004, 12:18 AM
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Default RE: 90 sized engines

The OS 91FX and the (older) SuperTigre g90 are very capable pattern engines, once the modifications are carried out to make them work in a pattern environment.

i.e. pump to allow c.g. mounted fuel tank and a quiet tuned pipe.

I've had first hand experience with both and they're very good.

Having said that, if someone were to offer a piped and pumped motor (as the Hanno was) straight out of the box I'd snap it up.
Old 11-09-2004, 11:07 AM
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has anibody considered jett engines? they have rear exaust and theyare very powerfull
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ORIGINAL: flywilly

Hi Mike,
I'd LOVE to see a .90 sized Hanno Special, but i'm not sure there is enough demand. There are certainly a lot of .90 sized pattern ships out there (kits and ARFs). Webra makes a pumped, rear exhaust .80 with a carb intake muffler. I think they go for about $400. Considering the weight of the YS 110, I'd go with a pumped Webra 1.20 and a wrap around header. MK has two great 90-110 sized pattern kits: the Skystar 90 and the Topstar 110. We just need to let the manufacturersknow what we want!!
-Will B.
Webra also have a 91...the Speed 91P5 as far as I know converted from the 91heli version, not rear exhaust []
http://www.webra-austria.at/motor.ph...der=AERO〈=EN
Spec indicate a strong runner.
I am in the marked for a 90pattern plane this winter. My engine choice will most likely be a MVVS91(rear exhaust config) original tuned pipe and header.
My old MVVS 49 has been a strong runner and a trusty friend. If the 91 is as good as the 49 I will be a happy man.
The YS110 is a excellent engine, but I don't like the 20/20 fuel. Nitro is expensive here in Norway The MVVS is happy with 0 or 5% nitro
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Hi Everybody!

I too think that there are alot of airplanes in the market asking for a .90 size engine and the main option for power is the YS 1.10, but i think that YS or OS should develop a two stroke 90 size engine with pump. In my personal opinion i think that there would be alot of market for this engine. I don´t know why YS doesn´t make there helicopters engines for using it for airplanes too!!!!.

I hope OS or YS soon they would make a 90 size engine with pump and maybe rear exhaust!!!!
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Hi Everybody!

I too think that there are alot of airplanes in the market asking for a .90 size engine and the main option for power is the YS 1.10, but i think that YS or OS should develop a two stroke 90 size engine with pump. In my personal opinion i think that there would be alot of market for this engine. I don´t know why YS doesn´t make there helicopters engines for using it for airplanes too!!!!.

I hope OS or YS soon they would make a 90 size engine with pump and maybe rear exhaust!!!!
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Default RE: 90 sized engines

Just saw the jett engine webside.They look very crudely made engines. No pump. Looks heavy .I would prefer a OS or a YS in 90 Size.
Old 11-10-2004, 01:19 AM
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Dubb Jett makes one of the finest motors that you can buy. However, they are mainly designed for pylon racing. Their barstock engines are very, very powerful and light.
Old 11-10-2004, 12:25 PM
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Hi Folks
When I started this thread I didnt think I would get such a postitive responce.

Keep the comments coming and who knows maybe the big engine guys might just take note.

Mike
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It is a very good size to manage, both money wise and size wise.
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I think this post to be reffered to the big engine guys then only its possible.
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Default RE: 90 sized engines

For this size range I really don´t think you can go wrong with a piped OS 91FX, with a Perry pump if necessary. I have been using one in a Desire 60 as a practice Pattern plane, with pipe pressure off a wrap around header. I am about to put in a Perry, to get a better mid range.
There is a trend in 2m F3A, headed by Bob Pastorelo and others (Aerobob on RCU), towards the OS160FX, with a Perry and pipe, which seems to be getting very good results. So the 91FX is a sort of mini version, if you will.
I have been using the OS140FX with great success for tha past 5 years and am trying out the Mintor 170 at the moment, so I am looking to replicate the power curve of these engines on the 91FX, as far as possible.
Sure, the YS 110 is a good motor, but heavier than the OS 91FX which on a good pipe setup gives the same power, at lower cost.
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How about the Webra P5-91? Is this engine a good choice for the 91 size plane?
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We need a "longstroke" 91 to swing a big prop at a little lower rpm similar to the 4 bangers.

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