Hi
Daft question and maybe not the best place to answer it, if so I apoligise up front.
What is the best Indoor Foamy for F3A practice. I have heard the shockflyer is great if you just want to flip and tunble. but for serious get your thumbs into training what is the best plane. Does one exist?

Mike

Check out this little puppy bro'
http://www.ultramicro.no/default_en.htm
Just across the water... and they ship full packages, very nice stuff.
Price may shock you though, but that's Norway.

New Modelisme Evolution

Company's name is: New Power Modelisme
Model: Evolution - it is biplane. Probably the best F3A foamie.
Site: http://www.newpower-modelisme.com/
You also can see Evolution at http://www.znline.com/

Piotr Swiderek
www.swiderek-f3a.pl

I think this one is absolutely worth some attention...

For more pics, info and a nice video:

http://www.jomari.de/50296894420f23e...f00bddc01.html

Wow, that certainly is well worth looking at, cheers.

i did like this
made the form and size off ailron and elevator the "rigth" size..use a smal brushless and 2cells lipo on 650 Mah
wingspan 72 cm 6mm depron ,22 cm wide in root oand 12 in tip ailron 3mm, fuse 80 cm long 3mm depron,12 cm from engine to wing ,stabspan 32 cm , 12 cm and 9 cm wide elevator ca 4 cm all way 3mm depron . raise wing 2mm in front ....
wing has a 4mm carbon tube glue inn sanded leading edge , all weighs just under 200gr .
this model let you fly P07 and can be howred but has to smal moving parts to be easy, but that was not the goal ..all has been trimmed as an ordinary F3a model ..dont have any drawing but shold be easy to construct directly on the depron plate!!

I bought a f3a shock flyer with this same idea in mind. Plane flys nice, but unless you fly in something bigger than a basketball court, it's pretty hard to do much. It might look big until you start flying, at partial throttle you only have a few seconds to cover the distance. I've gone to learning how to torque roll.

The F3A shock flyer is quite simply brilliant! I've had quite a few of the indoor "shock flyer" type models and this is far and away the best I've had the pleasure of owning and flying. Indoors it will fly at a walking pace and is the best natured indoor model I have seen. All of the "3D" manoeuvres - rolling circles, prop hanging/torque rolling, real high alpha stuff is a breeze. Plus the more "F3A" style flying too, you can do loops rolls stall turns in fact all of the proper pattern manoevres indoors with ease.

Outdoors and with a slightly bigger battery (850mAh 3c lipo) for penetration into the inevitable breeze, it comes into its own, being more than capable of all of the current F3A schedules with ease, I know I've tried them!

As with all of these models, for the slower indoor flying, the CG is critical. If it is too far forward it will mush and stall around with little control. Get it back so that you can fly inverted with no down elevator to fly straight and they come into their own.

They are great for teaching you the intuitive control response that you need to fly F3A naturally. Learning to torque roll with my shock flyer has taught me more than I ever imagined and has helped my competition F3A flying progress faster recently than ever before. Have fun!

James

Ditto to that.....no more can be said

Geman modelers have nice plans for free, you can buid a knufell a pulse or a pulse II

It posible to fly a fai scedule with my knufell and light wind in a park, I made it a little larger but the original one can be flown under 190gr

Rune,
Yours looks alot like the ones we are flying here in Iowa!
JLK

i havent really made any drawing to mine ...but where can i find the "knufell"..try to find it but could not!

This one has been kicked around. There are a couple of threads going on it on the forums. They are $50.
http://www.3dhobbyshop.com/detail.aspx?ID=451
Mike

http://slope-combat.de/shop/index.ph...ex&cPath=21_39

register and they will reply with the link to the plan

Hi
Okay I have pretty much settled on the Shockflyer F3A . What gear are people recommending for it. Eg batteries, motor, Servos etc

Take a look at the EV by Performance Model Aviation.. Light and strong and being used by some of the the top FAI and Master guys in the USA.
Plane is 6mm Depron and comes with all hardware and carbon in the kit for $ 55.00 plus S&H, a building service is also available !

Take a look at the web site www.rcfoamy.com and look under planes EV

Scott Anderson

Check out the post from patternpilot

Most top pilots in Europe use full fuse bipes, wingspan around 35" and around 450-500 sq inches, weighing around 6oz. ThatĀ“s whatĀ“s needed to perform the new F3P Expert class turnaround program in the best possible way. The Evolution was popular last year, but there are some new planes around. The Aito from www.donuts-models.com was by far the most popular plane a few weeks ago in Carvin France at the most prestigous F3P competition there currently is. Almost half of the competiors flew it.



Lots of Aitos at another French indoor competition!

Picture borrowed from http://www.donuts-models.com

/Erik

Eric,

Thanks for the info it is a cool looking bipe.. We are working on a build up bipe right now and finishing the CAD drawings.
There is even a micro For the indoor world with a target weight of 9oz RTF.
The full size EV was NOT made for indoor use and I apologize if I missed that in earlier posts to the original question, But for outdoor practice and even in a 12-15mph+ wind the 6mm EV is a great tool for practice.

It's always nice to see others work form around the world.

Happy landings

Scott Anderson
Team PMA
Team Tanicpacks.com

Great info, Erik!

Hi Erik
Like the planes. Especially the Phasor. Just what I am looking for.
Two questions
1) What motor, batteries and rc gear are they running
2) Where can I get one?

M

The Phaser is the predecessor to the Aito. Appararently Sola Models carries them in the UK according to the Donuts Models website.

For any advanced indoor flying, IĀ“d say 6 oz is an absolute maximum weight for a normal sized (32") shockflyer style plane. The large bipes like the Aito does pretty well up to 7 oz, but the lighter the better. A 6 oz Aito has a wingloading of around 1.7 oz/sq ft if my calculations are correct. That allows for extremely slow graceful flight characteristics with maximum time to perform the most advanced manouvres without running out of space in the gym. Any plane (even the big bipes) IĀ“ve seen thatĀ“s above 7 oz always looks "stressed" when performing more advanced manouvres indoors. Not at all graceful like the lighter ones.

Here is a link to one of the F3P Expert class flights by the winner in Carvin, Benoit Dierickx. HeĀ“s flying an Aito. Apparently he flies it at a higher speed that he would need to, but the low weght really shows in the vertical manouvres. The downlines are really slow compared to the heavier planes. The flight looks a bit rough but remember itĀ“s not easy to fly a full turnaround program indoors in a normal gym.

http://www.rcmania.cz/video/dierickx_f3p.avi

About setups, there is a document where you can see what everybody used in Carvin here: http://membres.lycos.fr/carvin/caracteristiques1.pdf

The AXI 2204/54 and 2s Etec 450 is quite a popular combination down in France. Now some might say the small Hacker has more power, etc and they would be right, but weight is everything indoors. The AXI has the prop adapter and rear mount built in at 24 grams weight, the Hacker for example would be 10 grams heavier. ThatĀ“s 6% higher AUW because of the motor alone. Everything adds upp very quickly when setting up an indoor plane, so think weight all the time. But donĀ“t skimp on the servos. Most of the cheap 4 gram servos jitter badly after just a few weeks. The Dymond D47 (donĀ“t know if you guys over in the states have that one) is popular over here and apparently the Blue Bird BMS-306 (Waypoint W-060) was very, very popular in Carvin. Oh and get a light ESC like the CC10.

Pattern guys should be used to saving weight, so you guys should be fine.

/Erik

Great infor Eric!!!

I would suggest this video also:

http://www.rcmania.cz/video/lombart_f3p.avi

This is Mr. Laurent Lombard, one of my favorite pilots! The winner at Carvin actually, he has been a member of F3A French team in the past (he was in the team at the 1998 F3A European Championships, held in Fano, Italy! I was there!). Now it seems that he prefer flying F3C []

Yep thatĀ“s right, heĀ“s a great pilot! He was third though this year, but is definately one of the worldĀ“s best indoor pilots.

Really nice flying!

/Erik