I need a good begginer pattern plane thats in the .40-.60 range. any suggestions?

The Venus 40 is a decent pattern-style plane that would make a good economical intro into pattern. It'll let you get your feet wet without spending too much money. The Focus Sport is also decent, just a little bigger than you're looking for.

since you suggested a venus 40 what about a venus 60?

This one looks promising.
http://www.ne-aero.net/aquila_arf.html
JLK

How about an Epsilon 60?

http://www.netboxhobby.com/product.s...3&productId=65

The Cermark Javelin II flies well too for a 40 sized plane.

HI

The venus 40 or 60 is an excellent choice, it flys very very true. If you can still get an excelleron 90, it does very well, especially with
a OS120AX (this engine requires no work, for the directions and it will never let you down) . The aquila looks very nice, but until you see some building threads on this machine wait to see what the quality is like. Also, the otop 90 is a very good flying plane.


hope this helps


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Wayne

I started out with a World Models Tai Ji 40. It was a quality airplane, stuck in a YS 63fz. Although I'll tell you, IMO, a 40 size plane can get too small once you try to actually use a lot more room in the air. I always had trouble with seeing the plane so I had to fly slow and close in which kinda sucked.

I've flown the prototype Aquila quite a bit and there is simply nothing like it in the 1.20 size engine category. It is, simply put, locked. It presents as well as many full 2 meter airplanes. It should, because it's very nearly 2M in length. It's a well engineered airframe which is very strong and rigid, but lightweight. The prototype I flew is just a shade over 9 lbs, so you have no lack of performance on a 1.20. I started with a muffled 1.20 and went to a pipe, mostly because it's quieter and you get much less goop on the airframe.

I would suggest staying tuned to the NE-Aero website for news. This is one worth waiting for.

All these recommendations will work very well. If you want to get started in pattern without spending a lot of money at the outset, the Venus 40 & Javelin will give you a great experience. I have an order in for the Aquila ARC after having seen the prototype, picked it up in my hands for a good look. Construction quality looks excellent, and with an ARC I can give the glue joints a good look just for the extra confidence, plus finish it to my own taste. If you know you want to fly pattern, the Aquila is a great way to jump in with both feet. If you want a less expensive introduction, Venus, Javelin, Widebody are all good solutions. My preference would be the Javelin, of which I'm putting together my third, with a few mods, including fuse-mounted CF landing gear and complete re-covering.

I'm kinda in the same situation as the Original Poster...I have a YS 45 Side Exhaust engine on the shelve and I'd like to get a Precision Aerobatic Aircraft to get started with...

The Cermark Javelin II appears to be sold out on their website...Does anyone know of any other sources?? That one looked like it would have fit the bill nicely...

My other two considerations were the Venus 40 and the Kyosho Oxalys 50...

I Really like the Oxalys!! It looks Really Kewl and apparently flies well...I understand it can be tough to balance as it tends to be a little nose heavy...The YS 45 may not be enough engine for the Oxalys?? I think the YS 63 is a popular powerplant for that one...

Thanks for the Help...

As kwong2001 noted above, a small model is going to get very small, very quickly, in the sky if you fly it fast, which means you need to fly it slower and keep it closer, which means you need an engine with plenty of oomph to carry it into the vertical segments. So the YS 45 probably won't be enough engine for a small pattern ship.

A relatively inexpensive route would be to get a Venus and put a Magnum .70 4 stroke in it, or an OS .70 FL, or an OS .55 AX or Magnum .52 2-stroke. I use OS engines, but the Magnums are less expensive and seem to run okay. Lots of engine choices these days.

If you figure out how to fly precision with these smaller planes -- at slower speeds, dealing with the wind -- at the end of the day you'll be a darn good pilot.

I recently purchased the OMP 67" Fusion and will be putting the OS 1.20AX on it. My understanding is that it was designed as an entry level pattern (Profile) ship, but is also capable of 3D manuevers. I don't fly 3D (yet) or pattern (yet), but I'm going to work on pattern flying with this this season. They also make a smaller version of this one as well as a Yak. It might be worth looking into.[sm=wink_smile.gif]

The Focus Sport ARF at http://www.piedmontmodels.com/ looks very interesting. $349 + $50 shipping. There's a really good build thread at http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_6337051/tm.htm for this plane.

If you're just starting in pattern the Venus 40 or the Venus II will be hard to beat
considering the ease of building, the completeness of the components, and the
good flying characteristics of both airplanes. The Venus II is the better flying one
of the two, and the price isn't bad either.

tommy s

The Venus 60 needs more than a 60 to fly. A YS 110 or a OS120AX excellent engines for it. There may be other engines that will work. I flew one last weekend that had a YS120 in it and that flew it fine.

The YS 45 will probably be enough engine for the Oxalys. A buddy of mine was flying one with a YS .63 and that little plane was a rocket!

There are a lot of good choices that haven't been mentioned yet, although the Venus 40/Venus II and the Kyosho Oxalys 50 are some great airframes with which to start the discussion.

If you're looking for a very low cost option, a Tower Hobbies Kaos .40 ARF with any good .46 to .55-sized 2-stroke would be a great starter plane for pattern. Another overlooked bargain at Tower Hobbies is the Phoenix SeaBee ARF, which will fly well with a .46 2c engine.

World Models makes a wide array of pattern airframes for .50 2c or .70 4c engines including the Spot On 50, Aeropet 50, and Groovy 50 F3A. World Models also offers their Intruder 90R ARF, which is designed for .90 4c engines and is widely popular in SPA circles. You can find World Models ARFs for sale at the www.airborne-models.com website.

The Thunder Tiger Imagine 50 ARF is another very nice pattern ARF with very high quality construction and a beautiful Ultracote covering scheme. It can be flown with a .46 2c engine, but a .70 to .82 4c engine will really bring this airframe into it's own. You might check out www.thundertiger4u.com for pricing on the Imagine 50 ARF and Thunder Tiger's F-75s 4-stroke engine.

There is a huge variety of airframe and engine choices for you to select from at a wide array of prices. You know best what is of interest to you and what will fit your budget. Good luck and good shopping!