mikehannah

Hi
I was having a shufty round the Sebart revamped website and I clicked on his F3A tab. As expected ther was a picture of his gorgeous Miss Wind biplane but further down the page is a picture of a plane doing a Knife edge. It looks like a Wind 110 but the title says " Wind S Pro coming soon"
It is obviously a variation of the Wind 110 but could it be the much waited for 2M from the Maestro himself. Does anyone have any inside info they would care to share with the rest of the planet?

tommy s

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Mike,
It's hard to tell from the picture and the decal for the deck that came with my
Wind 110 actually says "Wind S Pro" But something about the one in the picture
looks a little different than my 110 so that may be the 2 meter version.

tommy s

mikehannah

Hi
Well by a process of deduction. It isnt a 30 size as he just brought out th Mini Angel S. It isnt a 50 as he has the Angel S. So it is either a super duper version of the Wind 110 (unlikely as he already as one customed for F3A) or it is a full 2M job.
He already has all of the design work done for the Wind 110 so it would not be a difficult matter to resize her to a full 2M. Former locations and numbers would need to be altered and wood sizes but with a CAD system we are talking no big deal. Couple of days work at most. So it may be a full 2M job.
I would email Sabart using the link on his site if I thought he would answer. Either way my procurement program has been put on hold until we see what it is.

M

Hans Meij

Some more details now:
1990 length 1880 span.
Different picture too, no clear canopy etc.
http://www.sebart.it/F3A.html

tIANci

Question ... is it EP or Hybrid? Whatever it is .... this will be good stuff for sure.

mikehannah

Hi
Personnaly i hate opaque canopies but i am watching this one with interest. I am wodering how long it will take Seb to develop it and launch it onto the market.

M

J Lachowski

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The downside is that it could be fabricated by Oxai which means big bucks<g>

Gregg G

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Joe, it's already priced at 3,600 euro!...ouch

tommy s

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Gregg,
That's the Bi-Plane that is priced at 3600 euros, hopefully the Wind Pro
monoplane will be "much" less !

tommy s

mikehannah

Hi
I admit it is posible for him to go that way with the Wind S Pro but i doubt it. Anyone with deep enough pockets to go shopping on the Oxai website will be after a competition proven design. So with the Miss Wind firmly placed as Sebs competition model and the Wind S Pro having no big name competition pedigree i doubt if it will sell unless considerably cheaper.
I hope Seb sells it under his own brand at a sensible price. If he did he would appeal to the vastly bigger market of people just setting out on aerobatics or those who enjoy a fine handling plane. Time will tell just please do it with a clear canopy.

Mike

Izverg

Real prototype of Miss Wind S Monoplane- model Europe, which produced in Russia by mr Sergey Danilov. First time Seba purchase some models from him. Jast now, as i understud, Seba make some (very very little) changes in construction, and mo probobly will produced this aircraft by Oxai.. Unfo, Oxai's quality so much worse, then original, especially weight. For example, weitgh of my "Europa" with YS-170, - 4560 gr. , electrik version wight with hacker- 4500-4600.

you can find some photos here.

tIANci

Izverg ... if I read you right then things are getting VERY interesting ... oh boy. Anyways, your Europa ... is that colour scheme from the factory or ...

Izverg

ALL models "Europa" painted in mould's. Belive me, quality much better then Oxai. I have one model from Oxai, and can compare it.

mikehannah

Hi
Doesnt look the same as the picture on Seb's website. But it does look like a very nice plane. Who actually makes it and how do you order one if you wanted to buy one?

M

tIANci

There are some similarities but many F3A planes do have some similar looks. Nevertheless, the Europa looks great. Back to the Wind Pro ... we all just have to wait for its release.

snap_roll

tianci told me he wants to buy a fleet of europa.

tommy s

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Looks more like the Angel than the Wind Pro.

tommy s

Jeff Boyd 2

I have heard a rumour (boy, I love rumours) that the WIND S PRO 2M will be a Sebart offering, NOT OXAI. Exactly what the construction will be is unknown . . could be a glass fuse and foam wings, although if it's built like the WIND 110, it will be nice and light, very competitive, AND reasonably priced.

Here's hoping . .

Cheers, JB

Nickolas

Hi,

Mr. Danilov's Europa.

A number of models including Angel's Shadow, Europa and Miss Wind S constructed by his company. Chilly/Miss S Wind is the electric version of Europa which is glow. It has been flown extensivelly by the Italian National F3A vice Champion Andrea Grasseli, this plane is a beauty.

Pictures are from Cyprus F3A Open 2007. Also a photo of Seba with his AngelS.

I had asked about the Europa price in 2007, was at the 2500 euros mark painted. Not cheap but a lot cheaper than OXAI and construction is similar, glass/balsa/glass.

And another piece of information Seba told us that for 2009 will probably fly two different models one for the P schedule and one for the F and unknown. Let's see what this model will be...probably single wing but the maker is still unknown to us.

By the way the fact that a model is super light does not say anything to me personally, most of the top Japanese pilots planes are within the 4800gr mark or more and fly like anything else.

Regards,
Nikos

Nickolas

Sone more pics of Andreas' Wind S. Very nice!

Jeff Boyd 2

I understand. I don't think TOO light flies as good. I think around the 4700 to 4900 is a good weight on 2M (depending on design).

My comment regarding "light" is for the benefit of Electric Power . . and to make it possible to use cheaper batteries (mainly). There are some VERY good cheaper LiPo's on the market now BUT most have a weight penalty. This Weight penalty pushes Oxai over 5000 (and even Comp ARF Integral, which is a reasonably light bare airframe . . as I just discovered).

Cheers, JB

Edit: Even 4999.9999999g . . is good for Electric Even the lighter glow powered 2M are OVER 5000 for the first (approx) 30% of the flight . I believe Onda's bipe weighs 4950 with YS170 so that makes it approx 5500 at take off (it would probably even land OVER 5000). I think Electrics are disadvantaged here . . BUT that's my opinion

Jeff Boyd 2

Thanks for the great photos, Nickolas. It is clearer now, particularly in the photo fo the groupd of Angels with the Wind S in the middle . .

The wind S has a more forward canopy and more side area on the fuse.

Cheers, JB

Nickolas

Hi Jeff,

Integral is not comparable with the above models IMO. I would not rather to elaborate more on this but it is like comparing a KIA with an Audi. I will let you work on this metaphor... The models on the photos above are unique and are like pieces of art when you see them from close.

Best regards,
Nikos

Jeff Boyd 2

I like the metaphor . . PS. No comparison made

Cheers, JB

mikehannah

Hi
Is the MIss Wind and the Wind S Pro the same plane or different?

Mike