LMAO . .

dang, thats a purty 2m ship.. would make a nice home for my F3A Neu motor

Hi
Does anyone know if it will be available in the UK?

Mike

Try [email protected]. That's the best and quickest way to get your question answered.

Hacker imports it into europe, so I guess it'll be available in the UK.

I am thinking my AXI F3A will work nicely in it!

I hope they offer it in a plain white version to customize. None of the schemes really excite me. The Red/white/blue one is o.k., the one with the yellow in it is just plain ugly, and the one in the first post, that looks like the great planes extra scheme (see picture), isn't being offered...according to the E.F. e-mail.

I asked administrators to clean up my post...but No replys....
HMMMM
Comp ARF has the Brian edition Valient f3A.....looks fantastic...but 2,000 worth....
They lowered there Integral to 1,000 for the White edition... (great price IMHO)
Niether the EF pattern planes look to be a reality for this year....
It will probly release there electric editions 1st (just like there other 2M extra)
so you save 400$ compared to a Composite plane...

Hobby people has a MOdle tech 2M pattern plane 78"ws for 200$....heavy side, but who cares...
Obviously not a high price guro, but very tempting...for one on a budget and
not going to be doing upper level pattern.

I for one will wait and pay the extra bucks...
I have never had a exspensive pattern plane....
I do not want to waste 200+ on a plane that is just OKAY....I want a race horse....
something that will fly fantastic....

Yeah, I suppose that if they don't announce it by the SECOND DAY of the new year that's it for the season. 8-)

Especially for something that you can start on Friday evening and be flying Sunday afternoon.

That's a myth. It takes at least a month or two to totally trim a plane. A pattern pilot that sais he built his plane today, and flies 'fully blown' with it tomorrow, is a bad pilot or an exceptional genius when it comes to trimming a plane. A plane that is released a month before the season starts, is simply to late for a really serious competitor.

@kochj: your statement really suprises me. Didn't you flame me for making the same statement?

If you really want 'top notch', you shouldn't be considering a 650 dollar wood built plane, that's not really realistic. Tho it'll probably be a fine bird, it wouldn't be fair to expect the same level of flying from it as it's $2000+ rivals.

If you want a budget choice other than the EF, and you're going to fly fuel, you should seriously consider the Element 170 in my opninion. Fuel you'll always keep it below 5kg, no matter if you get a heavy or light version, and it's a good flying airframe.

If you buy an integral; keep in mind that the integral needs some mixers (like 3 or 4) to really fly straight. Nothing big, but you will have to have the experience in setting up mixers.

I didn't say competition ready.

Furthermore, it's never taken me a month or two to trim out an airplane. A week or two, maybe, but if an airplane is a good design, it shouldn't take too much to get it flying. Correct?

In reply to Kochj:

I mean no offense....
I know I am biased, but I am amazed how often we see people waiting for release, waiting for delivery, comparing and analyzing, for 6+ months at a time....when in that time with very little experience, someone can build a really good race horse pattern plane from a kit or plans (look at all the fantastic Black Magics, many Symphony's, ZN line now available, etc.). No waiting, just start gluing, one piece at a time. I tend to sometimes think we are subject to the old "grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.

I know Oxai, Sebart, and the like are delivering very high quality and accuracy, but a carefully built plane can mix it up with any of them, and has in the last couple of US Nats.

Sorry to hijack the thread...the extreme flight 2m planes will be great and only because they are taking the time to get it right.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.


-mark

That's heavily dependant on the weather conditions in your region and how big a fanatic you are. Over here we almost always have wind, which isn't ideal to trim a plane. After 6 months, I'm still sometimes changing throws to get it 'just right'.

Why would I buy such an expensive plane and still have to use 4+ mixers... (Somebody told me Derk even has more)?

Exactly, [sm=thumbs_up.gif]

Happy New Year all! It's clear today in NC, but well below freezing so no flying for me. I thought I'd share a few flashback flights. I found another flight of the 2m Vanquish that I had never posted on FlightPass. This is AJ flying the 2 meter Vanquish on the Sunny Sunday of the Atlanta Huckfest. Plus...I've been promising this for a while...RJ Gritter's full dock flight from last summer that was the centerpiece of our EXP summer vacation film. A great flight from dock takeoff to splash landing. You can hear the natural ambient sounds including our discussion of who was going to catch it since I was filming from the roof. Both films are on the HPP VIP page. Use your VIP link or signup here if you aren't yet a HPP VIP:

http://higherplaneproductions.com/rcuvipsignup.html

First off, the only released Vanquish to date, has an enormous rudder/roll coupling, so I wouldn't say too much about mixers yet.

Second off, there's not top-level pilot or plane that doesn't fly with at least a few mixers. Planes are always compromises.

thanks Fred!

@Hezik; ok, from now on a plane with 4+ mixers is a plane with only a few "compromises".

I doubt that any of the top 10 pilots the last WC or EC, was flying with less than 4 mixers.

Besides that, I never said that many mixers were a 'few compromises'.

On the Dutch forum, I have also said I wouldn't buy an integral for that

We'll see how many mixers the Vanquish will need when it is released. Maybe you want to change your attitude then

Hi Hezik
Could you tell which airplane you are flying with , without mixing...
Are you flying F3A ?
Thanks

Who sais I'm flying a plane without mixers? I'm the one saying here that mixers are quite normal.. it's Jens (amongst others) who claim that they aren't.

I _do_ however think, an Integral needs to many mixers.

Which four mixers are you referring to?

Rudder-roll,
Rudder-elevator,
throttle-elevator,
throttle-rudder

These are not my mixers; I don't own an Integral. This is the setup the Dutch F3A champion (Derk vd. Vecht) uses on his Integral.

Actually, he had more mixers, but those were related to transmitter shortcomings.

Again; I'm not the one saying mixers are bad. They aren't. However, you will need the expertise to set them up correctly.

Anyways, this thread is not about the Integral. Whether or not my personal taste is different, doesn't change the fact that the Integral is a proven solution.

In the ten years I have been flying pattern I have used three of those and on my pinnacle that I have flown for the past three years I have only used one. And I moved the cg to. counteract that mix.

Hi Hezik

Are you flying F3A ?

Just would like to know your expertise level, and how you placed in competition versus VERKERKE


Preliminar Results after the Fourth Round

2009/08/26:20:45
Classification Dorsal First Name Last Name Country Total Panel 1 Panel 2 Panel 3 Panel 4
1 72 PAYSANT - LE ROUX CHRISTOPHE FRA 3000.00 1000.00 1000.00 995.37 1000.00
2 69 ONDA TETSUO JPN 2952.08 923.76 986.07 1000.00 966.01
3 14 SOMENZINI Quique USA 2937.21 957.67 990.39 880.36 989.15
4 70 SILVESTRI SEBASTIANO ITA 2933.62 892.28 989.37 982.98 961.27
5 68 SHULMAN JASON USA 2889.59 917.18 958.95 974.15 956.49
6 24 MAYR GERHRARD AUT 2871.13 854.18 988.03 923.15 959.94
7 90 AKIBA YOICHIRO JPN 2870.20 917.43 954.15 972.53 943.52
8 34 SUZUKI KOJI JPN 2862.14 889.08 950.58 927.29 984.27
9 29 BERND BESCHORNER GER 2851.90 888.71 960.47 927.25 964.18
10 87 JESKY ANDREW USA 2833.40 939.73 929.02 931.31 962.36
11 55 PAYSANT - LE ROUX BENOIT FRA 2804.08 919.93 892.77 932.50 951.65
12 19 KAISER STEFAN LIE 2783.41 779.66 958.17 903.68 921.55
13 18 NORTHEAST CHAD CAN 2764.21 842.18 936.97 887.37 939.86

60 10 VERKERKE JOB NED 2460.82 735.82 837.13 801.31 822.38