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The difference in CG location between a single elevator servo mounted near the wing verses two elevator servos in the stab is huge. I had a plane that started off with dual elevator servos in the tail, and it was tail heavy by about one inch, or 8 ounces of lead in the nose. I replaced that setup with DEPS, removed the lead, and the cg shifted forward about 1.25 inches. It is an easy decision -- install everything but the elevator setup. Then just figure out what it takes to balance on the CG without adding ballast.

In my experience, most glow pattern planes (even with a YS) will be tail heavy with dual elevator servos in the stab. The short pipe won't offset the CG significantly.

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Doc,

the Zeque was designed with the Short Hatori pipe and a single servo up front. SO you WILL be tail heavy if you stick them in the back.

Just for comparison on my Astral XXc I put everything in the model the same as Naruke did, even used a Nimh battery 2300mah. The models CG is perfect just that way. Its right at the suggested range nothing added and nothing needed.

Model is 10lbs all up 4536g currently has the 170DZ in it with a solid BP spinner. I don't see the need to change anything about it. By the way I installed the DEPS system in it.

Troy

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Rusty, that was pretty funny. Have you posted the otherr twelve rules? 8-)

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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Regarding Rusty's attempt to maintain thread "hits" absent any "actual" building...

Life's experiences have provided me a collection of rules which, like rule #13, have been developed to protect me from "me". Better stated, the disease of "Me" which I have stolen from a book on management by basketball coach Pat Riley. I encourage you to read the book or at least the chapter.

Rusty's toy airplane rule #4: Invest as much time in selecting your (sweet heart, spouse, someone you like or someone you think you like) valentine's day card as you did the last pair of toy airplane wheels.

Seriously, the Zeque WILL be ready to fly by Sunday evening (2/11)! In the coming days, I will post the following items which I feel are of potential interest including:

Dave Guerin's super slick way to mount wheel pants.
The Hatori 821 pipe set-up with all the probably way too expensive and not completely needed BUT are very cool hardware.
The "Bob Kohler" signature model stand.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

As previously mentioned, I have always marveled at the Japanese model stands. Bryan Hebert had a nifty stand for his Quest. My pal Bob Kohler, who is in my mind a "master" wood worker volunteered to build me a custom stand for the Zeque. Bob came over the other evening, reviewed my scribbles, gathered the Home Depot materials and returned yesterday with the results. He has already decided to build another "really" cool one to out do the example on the Oxai-Zeque home page.

The rubber molding is from BVM Models and enough to complete this stand was $15.00. It has a mind of it's own and required alot of verbal coaxing to get it to look pretty good. One Central Hobbies servo screw is placed on each end and tightened to pull just under the surface. A couple coats of MinWax clear urethane, quick scratch of 400 sand paper and a coat of SC Johnson paste wax to finish it off.

The stand is symmetrical and will make the model much easier to transport and wrench on at the field or at home Thank you Bob!


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Tail wheel. The tail wheel I want to use is still in route via Adrian Wong and one of his contacts in Hong Kong. The proven and clearly still way over the top...the MK tail wheel on a diet. Cameron Smith, 2006 NATS second place finisher in Masters, sent me a photo of his modified tail wheel a few weeks ago. I just drilled a few holes using a UNI-BIT with a 3/32 pilot hole for alignment.

The scale shows the completed weight, maybe someone will post the "stock" weight.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

The parts and pieces for the next steps including the battery and receiver mounting plate picured below. I like to use "craft plywood" available at craft stores (crazy considering the name...) for non-strength related parts but hard balsa is just not strong enough.

Velcro straps available at Home Depot, are used to strap the battery and rx in place over foam rubber available from SIG. The natural foam rubber, white in color, is heavier but makes me feel more comfortable. I just cut a piece of 1/4" to 3/8" slightly larger than the component, placed between the straps. Simple and easy to remove or make adjustments. (I will be able to charge the 1320 mah lipo pack outside the model or exchange with a spare.)

The slot for the velcro is cut with a tiny all purpose bit in the trusty, but indespensible lithium Dremel tool. I showed the picture because sometimes I read stuff and still can't figure out how something was done. A 1" forstner bit makes quick work of the lightening hole. 220 grit sandpaper cleans the piece up prior to installation with "green" label ZAP.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

The wheel pants and landing gear. Wheel pants have given me fits for years until Dave Guerin's visit to my home a few years ago. The following is Dave's method which may include the use of other smart modeler's ideas.

The Zeque parts in the photo includes the landing gear mounting components which ARE unique to this model. To mount wheel pants you need to cut (4) 3/4" craft plywood squares, (2) Harry Higley 5/32" long axles. You will need a drill press, 5/32 drill bit, a UNI-BIT 120 grit sandpaper, a 10" bubble level, a bench clamp and less than an hour.

First find the center of the wheel pant opening. Second, determine where or you want to locate the center of the axle from the bottom of the pant. I generally put the center about 1/2" - 5/8" from the bottom.



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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Installing wheel pants continued...The method has the axle stick through to the other side which helps the pants stay aligned and in better shape on grass fields or a really rough landing. To save time (my time) I have taken the liberty to include photos of a FOCUS II wheel pant intallation. I will be happy to post the Zeque stuff later.

Step 1: Using the 120 grit sandpaper, sand the inside of the wheel pants at the location of the 1/8 x 3/4 x 3/4 craft plywood plates.
Step 2: Trial fit the plates taking the time to contour the edges to fit in the pant. The more surface contact you have the less glue and stronger the bond will be. One plate goes on each side of the pant (inside!!!) Glue with green ZAP.
Step 3: You double checked the location of the axle?
Step 4: Put a sharp 5/32 drill bit in a drill press. ( I use a $99 special purchased years ago with success.)
Step 5: Get some scrap wood and stuff it into the wheel opening. You are going to drill a hole from one side of the pant THROUGH to the other side and you do not want to crush the pant in the process.
Step 6: Before drilling, make sure you are parallell to the drill press table.
Step 7: Drill hole slowly!!
Step 8: Determine a left and a right wheel pant.
Step 9: Using a UNI-BIT (any stepped drill bit will do, the stepped drills cut rather than tear holes) open up the inside of each pant to about 5/16" to fit over the Harry Higley nut.
Step 10: You used a drill press to drill a 5/32" hole in the landing gear for the axle!
Step 11: Clamp the landing gear leg on the bench as shown.
Step 12: Using a level, level the wheel pant with the bench.
Step 13: Use a drill bit to drill through the landing gear leg through the wheel pant for the anti-rotation screw. I use a 4-4- screw with a nylon washer into a 4-40 blind nut.
Step 14: Mark about 1/16 - 3/32" of the axle to stick out of the wheel pant and cut-off with a Dremel cut-off wheel.
Step 15: Enlarge the hole you jsut drilled in the wheel pant for a 4-40 blind nut and you are done!


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Landing Gear leg installation. Mr. Suzuki used some kind of a plate to sandwich the landing gear legs. I am going to use a 1/16" aircraft plywood plate covered with a heavey carbon fiber cloth using epoxy. The plate will be made, holes drilled and then cover the plate with the cloth. See first the first post of this build for the themes I am trying to execute.

You will notice a funky drill bit and some little plywood donuts, aluminum washers and some very heavy 6-32 socket screws. The aluminum washers are "extas" from the MK control horns used for the rudder and elevator horns which are drilled out with a #27 drill for the 6-32 socket screws. Micro fasteners no longer stocks the 6-32 x 1" aluminum...

The funky drill bit is a "plug" cutting drill bit. ($14.95 at any fully stocked hardware store, not Home Depot.) The donuts will hold the 6-32 blind nuts to provide additional support for the nuts.

The Zeque landing gear fit perfectly (actually one would expect nothing less) and I will put painters tape, measure, check, measure and fiddle before I drill anything. I WILL clamp the plywood plate and drill throught the plate and landing gear in one step.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

The rudder cables...I imagine there are no less than 1000 ideas and preferences to complete this. My solution uses a pretty long rudder horn (MK medium aluminum control horns), steel rudder cables (Todd Blose, BP Hobbies, makes an excellent kit with Kevlar cord), 2-56 ball bearing ends on the servo and Klett steel pinned clevis at the rudder end.

The Zeque already has the hole for the horn drilled. The MK horns do not come with what you need to make a rudder horn...a metric threaded rod capable of being long enough to go through the very wide rudders and the horns. I happen to have all of the parts from a Composite ARF Yak 2.6 (also very cool) which has threaded rod for pushrods (maybe 2.5mm?.)

The challenge is that the horns do not fit against the rudder so I use the Loctite 9462 glue (available at BVM Models very expensive or McMaster Carr mail order for less than $25 with reusable gun) to smear on the horn prior to installation, install it, then smear more glue on the other horn and screw them together tight. You are left with glue oozing out which can be wipped away with wax and grease remover leaving a perfect little "filet" on the rear portion of the horn. Very strong, looks custom and is simple.

I use the Proctor metal "cable swage" to crimp the cable, with 2-26 screw eyes for the clevis or ball end. Simple, smooth and precise.
The Zeque has plastic sleeves installed for the rudder cables. Total installation time less than one hour. The Futaba 9155 is lightning fast and is a stump puller, very important for crisp snaps and rudder authority.


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Rusty:
The stock MK tail wheel is 13 gms.
Nice build thread.
Stuart Chale

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Bling Bling... [8D]

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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Rudder control system continued...The photos show the Loctite adhesive liberally applied to control horn. Horn with threaded rod attached is pushed into snug hole and adhesive is applied to other horn. The glue is clearly oozing out and the chemical to remove is in the photo as well. Clean-up and you have a completed installation of the horns.

I like to copy interesting ideas and share the source if I can remember where or who is the source. You will notice (2) colors of heat shrink tubing covering the rudder cable clevis, 2-56 eye-bolt and swage. I saw this on the Oxai-Beryll site from the example of a Swiss pilots model...I suppose it makes it more reliable...I really enhances the "coolness"...or "sweet" for my more sophomoric readers.

I wonder who did the graphics?


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Rudder control system continued...The interior of the fuselage features a plywood tray which is pre-cut for servos, battery and rx, switch, special K& S tank and throttle servo. Please note that the elevator servo is patiently waiting for the Troy Newman DEPS elevator system (as in premier installer, not the originator although he may be...) which will be installed by Troy next week in Phoenix.

I almost forgot to fuel proof the inside. I use the Z-Poxy finishing epoxy with K&B superpoxy thinner (very hard to find) to about (1) part of A and B to (2) parts of thinner mixed in (1) ounce plastic cups. Epoxy brushes are available at Home Depot but do not get them in the "paint" section because they are twice as much than if you go to the "plumbing" section.

I remember the first YS installation in a Godfrey Custom built Lazer in 1988. In my excitement to fly it, I lost track of the fact that I had pumped about 1/2 gallon of fuel into the fuselage! I noticed it coming out of the tail. Yes, fuel proofing is always a good idea.

Rusty's toy airplane rule #7: Only fuel proof airplanes that you want to keep.

The battery/rx tray is installed with the straps and material has been removed from the tray in front of the receiver for the servo wires.

Rusty's toy airplane rule #11: Servo wires will find every sharp corner of your model and demonstrate the results at the least convenient opportunity.

Large fuel tubing, cut in half, is pushed onto the tray to prevent rule #11.

Discussion about investing in fuel proofing: Troy took the model home from the Sun Valley Flyers Field on Monday or Tuesday evening 2/19...Wednesday evening Arch Stafford began staying with Troy. Thursday moring they gave me a TON of (##&^*&) about my excessive use of epoxy to fuel proof the model...I said it didn't add 1/2 an ounce...well the final weight ended up to be 9 pounds 14.5 - 15 ounces...


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

The switch. Yes, most of my installation techniques are designed to "prevent" losing a model due to a mechanical or sytem failure. Flying them into the ground is okay. My enjoyment of flying can also be traced back to my confidence in the motor, airframe and control system reliability.

Readers of this thread may remember that all of the parts have been posted. I like the Jaccio switch which is "on" if the switch fails. I also have have many fond memories of Mr. Oddino's (Mr. Jaccio) columns in Radio Control Modeler. Specifically, the 6.0 volt version. The Zeque has a place for the switch but I am not aware of any $200 Japanese little doo dah to make turn on and off so I reflected on the Wickizer's tail wheel in an earlier post. The parts include a Dubro 1/16 wheel collar, remote switch mount bolt, Tettra off-set rod end and threaded rod, 2-56 bolt from a ball end kit (Dubro).

The white stuff on the back of the iside bolt is litium grease for reducing vibration from fuselage.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

The fuel system. The Zeque is designed to use 1/8" aluminum tubing to run the fuel lines ftom the fuel tank to the engine compartment. There are laser cut holes for (2) tubes. The photo shows one tube with a 90 degree bend which will connect to the clunk line and the straight tube is for the vent. The holes lined up perfectly. Green Zap was used on the front and rear holes to secure.

The tubing was cut with a razor blade while "rolling" on the work bench. An xacto #11 blade cleans up the inside of the tube and 220 followed by 400 smooths the outside.

Rusty's toy airplane rule #8: When diagnosing an engine problem, the easy to reach fuel line is discovered to be the problem only after the engine and tank have been completely removed and disassembled.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Landing gear installation. As a reminder, my goal is to execute the themes used by Mr. Suzuki, Zeque designer. The landing gear mounting uses a carbon plate with (4) bolts and washers. I will use washers from the MK medium control horns drilled out for a 6-32 body drill #27.

I made the plate from 1/16 aircraft plywood, cut to size and the holes drilled for the bolts. Carbon fiber cloth is then bonded to one side using 30 minute ZAP epoxy then turned face down on a piece of wax paper. The other side is coated with ZAP laminating epoxy and another sheet of wax paper is placed on the plate. A weight is added to the top of the plate until cured.

The completed plate has a very smooth finish and is now very strong. The plate is trimmed, the edges sanded and ZAP laminating epoxy is brushed on the edges for installation.


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Zeque Buil GLow Powered

Fuel system continued. The Zeque is designed to use a K&S fuel tank. A nifty unit which has a rubber stopper, screw-on cap and a molded in vent at the top of the tank into a bubble or bulge allowing the tank to be completely filled.

The tank tray has (2) laser cut slots to use a very thin carbon fiber band (Lone Star Balsa, 4" x 36" .000? $10.00) to hold the rear of the tank. The front of the tank is captured by a balsa bulkhead which also supports the throttle servo. The aluminum tank fitting, special foam clunk (YS Performance or Central Hobbies) using the supplied thin walled very flexible fuel tubing is assembled in a few minutes.

Silicone is added to the front of the tank support opening and the balsa former, fuel tubing is pre-cut and installed using an additional band of large fuel tubing to prevent from coming off and installed. The carbon band is wrapped around the tank and secured with black "speed" tape (duct tape, Home Depot). Gorgeous, light, easily removed and strong.

Well, it did look very cool...

After the firstt flight the model was disassembled, checked over and reassembled. ALL OK. After the fourth flight the tank was loose and the teeny, tiny little pieces of plywood holding the 10,000,000 pound tensil strength carbon fiber band broke (both) like the tooth picks they were/are. I drilled a small hole about 3/8' from the center of each slot and used (2) nylon tie wraps to hold the rear of the tank. Added a little more silicon to the front and belly tank mount and it has survived (5) additional flights.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Radio installation is basically complete. A tidy installation looks better, is more reliable and allows you to recognioze if something is out of place. Loose wires are "speed" taped to the fuselage side, wire ties are added and the Jaccio 6.0 voltage regulator is attached using velcor sticky backed strips. The power connector is captured in the velcro for added saftey.

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Zeque Build GLow Powered

Throttle servo. I like to use a small, fast and precise servo for the throttle rather than suddenly become fiscally responsible..cheap and use the Futaba 9650 digital. The servo comes with mounting lugs on the body to allow for a variety of mounting methods...but you have to cut them off without cutting the servo wires. Yes, I have cut them "clean" off...very proud moment.

The photos show me scribing the case, breaking with a pair of needle nose pliers and final pass of a mini file completes the task in less than (5) minutes.


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Mounting the MK remote glow plug system. The Zeque has a very tall or deep fuselage profile. How do you access the glow plug? MK makes a product to resolve the problem. The unit features a plastic bodied receptacle mounted with (2) tiny bolts into captured nuts, an aluminum trim ring and a male plug to be connected to a voltage source. Per many MK products, the modeler is left to figure out "how" to make it work.

The real challenge is mounting the recepticle securly while "centering" the trim ring for proper function. The trim ring has a tiny lip to grab. My experience with the unit is that the wires WILL break off. I suggest you replace the ground wire with a silicone wire used for R/C cars and purchase the Tettra silicone wire with protective shield and more robust glow plug attachment clip. Like many special parts, it is not required, adds weight (about (1) ounce) and installation complexity and the potential for maintenance. If you make the modifications that I am suggesting there is NO maintenance.

I make a (2) 1/8" craft plywood mounting plate/spacer first. A note regarding tools to build toy airplanes. Drill bits, drill bits and more drill bits. When I was a kid, I had a sharpened nail to bore all of the holes I needed. I suggest you go to a Northern Tool and Supply and purchase a complete set of lettered, numbered and fractional drill bits for about $80.00. You will save time, produce better parts and wonder how you ever modeled without them.

Accurately determine where you will mount it, triple check considering fuel lines, excess exposure to the elements. I prefer to use blue painters tape to mark lines and bore holes in fragile surfaces. The photos should make sense. I used a black Sharpie for color, green ZAP for fuel proofing and ZAP A DAPPA GOO for mounting to the airplane and the little aluminum trim ring. The white washers are from the back of the EZ connectors (PLEASE NEVER USE EZ-CONNECTORS ON PRIMARY CONTROL SURFACES!!!!!).

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Zeque Build GLow Powered

The tail wheel installed. I drilled one more hole in the MK unit and it weighs 9 grams without the screws.


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Hey Rusty I am also using the MK remote start for my Genisis. I removed the blue housing, and the heat shrink, applied JB weld to the connection and the added another heat shrink tube to the connector. Then I also added a 1/16 inch piece of medium fuel tubing over the tip of the glow plug, that way once you push down the tip, it will be somewhat soft mounted and should hopefully last longer. By the way I got this information from a thread on RCU a while back, so it is not my info, but figured I should pass it along. See you tommorrow.

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I'm struggling with the Lipo thang. Is it that Lipo set-ups (reg+pack) are dramatically lighter than NiMH or NiCAD? How many flights can you get from a 1320mAH pack? That capacity seems low for the number of digital servos we use. Does the regulator add anthoer failure point?

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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Engine installation...The Zeque is designed to use the YS soft mount with the available stand-offs. It is the lightest of the mounts I have used (see previous posts on this thread) and offers a large amount of adjustability. My assumption is that this model will require little to zero adjustments from stock...the engine rotates exactly about the centerline of the crank shaft which mnakes sense. (I am not an engineer or claim to be an expert about physics).

Additionally, I am using the (new to USA) Hatori header support which is yet another fine piece of not modestly priced accessory which one may not need, adds installation complexity which IS and I EXPECT to reduce my header maintenance to zero.

I am leaving for Phoenix (see Phoenix thread) in the morning (2/15/2007) with this COMPLETED model and hope to continue to post all of the details prior to my departure (returning 2/28/07), although I may simply run out of time. To this point I have covered many of the components and installation techniques of potential interest.

The thread will feature all relevant details until completetion including a detailed flight report! As Derek Koopowitz (NSRCA President)often writes...exiting the box.

(Some of my photos still seem to be out of focus.)[&o]


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Zeque Build Glow Powered

Regarding Lipo batteries...I am very slow to embrace new control system and battery technologies. I became VERY comfortable with them last summer at the NATS flying with Rusty Fried. Rusty tends to have a lot of conviction (nice way of saying stubborn) and IS a fierce competitor who has no patience for anythiong that would risk his models (my opinion). He had been using the ThunderPower lipos in his electric models. Others had told me about them, but I need to see and get comfortable in my own way.

Dave Lockhart, fantastic sportsman, modeler, and F3A pilot uses a redundant 480 mah (2) cell lipo and dual regulators to meet his expectations of comfort.

I understand an electric F3A model will only use about 45 to 50 mah per flight where as a glow model may use 3 to 4 times this amount. I will measure voltages after each flight until I develop experience.

Weight is probably NOT a primary consideration due to the added requirement of a regulator which is an entirely other subject and area of contention. A newly charged ni-cad, clearly is "hot" the first flight or so...recent history has had me use a regulator to remove the airplanes "I had 24 cups of coffee feel". Curiously the photos of the Japanese models show nicads...factory stock varieties. Odd to me, a crazy tail wheel and still the use of ni-cads?

One perspective...


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Additionally, I am using the (new to USA) Hatori header support which is yet another fine piece of not modestly priced accessory which one may not need, adds installation complexity which IS and I EXPECT to reduce my header maintenance to zero.


Rusty,

Don't be fooled by the header brace, I've been using mine for over 6 months now. Yes, it reduces the chance of header shifting around, but the hex nut that tightens the brace to the engine will come loose, I've to keep checking it every 20 - 30 flights.

Adrian

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In case you guys don't get over to see my electric Zeque thread, I received this C/G drawing from Mr. Suzuki (Zeque Designer) of S2 Product in Japan and will post it here as well.

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To ual767
Can you give me Mr Suzuki E mail Address.

Thankyou
Fran

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The contact info for Suzuki is at the bottom of this web link.

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/%7Echm30860/or...formation2.htm

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I was wondering if there is any advantage to using the spring loaded pipe mounting system that I've seen used for holding the Hatori 821 in place as opposed to the pipe mounting brackets(silicone tubing system) that is already provided with the Hatori 821 pipe ??? Seems like alot of extra money if no advantage or need.....please advice.

Doc

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The spring loaded pipe mounting system is a quick release system, you just squeeze the two springs on the side of the pipe and you can take the pipe away from the header. The one that came with the Hatori pipe require loosening of screws. Well worth the extra spending.

Adrian

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Adrian,
Thanks for the info. I think I might go with that.

Doc

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Rusty be warned when mounting your motor with the YS mount to your Zeque. It appears the rails were not jigged properly and there is a slight offset. You're going to have to make different spacer washers to offset the misalignment on your Zeque. Appears to be a manufacture error by Oxai. Mickey spent an entire evening analyzing and correcting this problem on my plane.

Doc

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Hi Doc,

The YS-mount fits perfectly in the Zeque, you just have to make sure you use the Super Mount brackets, which the model was designed for. Picture attached.

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No Mola your wrong I just talked to Mickey. They have the super mount that you show in the picture. The problem is the rails are not set right on Doc's plane and others who have the plane are experiencing the same problem. Except Chris who placed the Axi in his. (Good move Chris)!
Mickey had to shim the YS mount to bring the spinner backplate in line with the nose. It required a .100 shimm on the back of the mount and a .062 shim on the front. Oxai made a mistake. The manufacturer is going to be notified of the problem. It's fairly easy to fix but surprising when 1st discovered.
Good news is the early flight reports on the plane seen very positive. This was reported on the Electric Zeque thread. Mike

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This change could be by design. I have Rusty Dose's Zeque in my shop right now. When I get home from flying tonight I will look at this issue. I think perhaps there could have been a chnage in the amount of down thrust needed after the protype was made. Oxai then lowered the beams to allow shims to adjust this. If they put the rails to high (looking from the bottom) in the fuse then you can't adjust anything without grinding the YS Super Mount spacers. But by lowering the beams in the engine area now you can add shims to get the downthrust correct.

I have a spare engine and YS mount and will stick it in Rusty Dose's model tonight.

We have been really busy with setting up the field for the PHX event, and also out practicing.
I have spent all weekend at the flying field marking the box lines and installing poles. They are correct and setup just like the NATS. Boy its sure is nice to be practicing inside the box.


I'll let you guys know what I find.


Troy

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Hi mups53,

I did my installation this past weekend, and I needed nowhere near 0.1" of a shim to get it aligned. As Troy says I think Oxai deliberately sets the plate a little too high in the fuselage so that you have to shim the mount very slightly to get everything to line up, this is much easier than if you had to grind off some material from the YS-mount brackets.

I installed 1mm (0.04" ) shims on the rear brackets of mine to get things to line up like shown in the attached photos. I'm using a 75mm spinner in the photo, and as you can see it is actually a tiny bit too large in diameter, 74mm would probably have been perfect.

I don't know from which batch my Zeque was, but it was delivered to Oxai Europe just after New Years. Maybe Oxai has modified this part of the model along the way.

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Well, Troy flew this today in REALLY windy conditions, and all I can say is WOW!! Great presentation and flew great, straight off the board. I'll let Troy and Rusty talk more about it, but it was very impressive.

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