Best scale photo!
07-05-2004, 09:53 PM
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RE: Best scale photo!
Who's flying it???[X(]
Does it matter? Thought it was scale photo! Photo is supposed to look like a fly by. I can't pick out anyone on the wing tip! Think I put in there thanks to Al and Jim for help with photo. Insted of nice photo & plane, here people get for responces, "Who's flying it?" "The guys on the wing tips." ??? easier to find fault then say something nice. It's not even my photo just liked it and thought the guys did a great job.
Does it matter? Thought it was scale photo! Photo is supposed to look like a fly by. I can't pick out anyone on the wing tip! Think I put in there thanks to Al and Jim for help with photo. Insted of nice photo & plane, here people get for responces, "Who's flying it?" "The guys on the wing tips." ??? easier to find fault then say something nice. It's not even my photo just liked it and thought the guys did a great job.
07-06-2004, 07:20 AM
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RE: Takeoff Complete
ORIGINAL: ozcan
Heres my Fiber Classics F-86 (outside the workshop now)
Heres my Fiber Classics F-86 (outside the workshop now)
I really like the first one.
Scale appearance of subject = 10
Scale Angle = 10
Scale environment = 10
07-06-2004, 07:43 AM
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RE: Takeoff Complete
ORIGINAL: ozcan
Heres my Cermark MB339...
Heres my Cermark MB339...
Scale appearance of subject = 9
Scale angle = 10
Scale Environment = 10
07-06-2004, 02:27 PM
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RE: Takeoff Complete
uncljoe,
You may not have anyone holding up the wingtips on the F-18, but it isn't a scale photo.
Bull-RCU,
Nice Hellcat. Looks like a photo taken by someone on the ground about to get blasted! It doesn't matter is someone is holding up the wings or not. Good picture. The only nitpick I have is that the angle isn't quite right, it's too head on. I know you didn't take the pic but to whoever did, I would recommend a longer focal length lens to blur the background and also, shoot a little lower. Just MHO. I think the photo fits just fine in here. It's not the best but is is a scale photo.
You may not have anyone holding up the wingtips on the F-18, but it isn't a scale photo.
Bull-RCU,
Nice Hellcat. Looks like a photo taken by someone on the ground about to get blasted! It doesn't matter is someone is holding up the wings or not. Good picture. The only nitpick I have is that the angle isn't quite right, it's too head on. I know you didn't take the pic but to whoever did, I would recommend a longer focal length lens to blur the background and also, shoot a little lower. Just MHO. I think the photo fits just fine in here. It's not the best but is is a scale photo.
07-06-2004, 03:52 PM
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RE: Best scale photo!
Joe,
Awesome "Mig away" shot. Is that John Redman's? I didn't see him at BITW this year, but was only there on the wknd.
I think that the Hellcat photo is spectacular...as a cool photo of an RC plane. It is certainly the kind of photo that a editor at an RC mag would be interested in for a cover or an article head page. I do not feel that it captures the essence of what this thread is about. Notice, I did not say " 'fragrance' of what this thread is about", because to many, this thread stinks.
People post awesome photos that they really like, and then proceed to get reamed a new one.
That's exactly what makes this thread so interesting. It's people with passion. Make the cut, or go home. It's a little harsh...like that "Idol" show...far more interesting when someone sucked, because of the beating they were going to take.
I am willing to bet that there are a lot of guys out there that are giving more thought to photo-composition when shooting their models...all because of this thread.
In the end, some of the world's most spectacular photos of models will exist in these pages. (I did not say "photos of the world's most spectacular models")
Great job to everyone who is going for it in this thread.
Good thread Stang five one
Paul
Awesome "Mig away" shot. Is that John Redman's? I didn't see him at BITW this year, but was only there on the wknd.
I think that the Hellcat photo is spectacular...as a cool photo of an RC plane. It is certainly the kind of photo that a editor at an RC mag would be interested in for a cover or an article head page. I do not feel that it captures the essence of what this thread is about. Notice, I did not say " 'fragrance' of what this thread is about", because to many, this thread stinks.
People post awesome photos that they really like, and then proceed to get reamed a new one.
That's exactly what makes this thread so interesting. It's people with passion. Make the cut, or go home. It's a little harsh...like that "Idol" show...far more interesting when someone sucked, because of the beating they were going to take.
I am willing to bet that there are a lot of guys out there that are giving more thought to photo-composition when shooting their models...all because of this thread.
In the end, some of the world's most spectacular photos of models will exist in these pages. (I did not say "photos of the world's most spectacular models")
Great job to everyone who is going for it in this thread.
Good thread Stang five one
Paul
07-12-2004, 05:19 AM
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RE: Best scale photo!
Message to NEO.
You're photographing your model in the wrong way. You're using the wrong lense/F stop at this is giving you a macro feel and making your aeroplane look like a small plastic model. Basically what you're doing is recording to much detail. Trying to bum it out with a gaussian blur isn't the way to go. Start with a 200mm at 5.6 at get some distance from the model. Crop the picture later and this will start to creat the natural picture deterioration you're after.
The F stop situation is what's causing most people problems in this excellent thread. I'll give you a simple explanation of whats happening. In real life it's far more complex but this is good enough for now.
If you photograph a full sized aeroplane at say F (X) it'll give you a depth of feild of say (X) meters. Now, if you picture a 1/2 scale aeroplane at the same F stop you'll get a depth of feild of (X x 2) meters. A 1/4 scale aerplane will end up with a focus depth of (X x 4). This is creating far to much recorded detail and is giving you all the "model feel" that your all trying to get away from. What is odd is that you'll notice that it's the less scaled and detailed models that come off best when pictured this way. The proof being NEO''s super detailed big model comming out looking like a little plastic kit model!!!! Go figure. You all need to get distance between the camera and the model, shoot with an open tele lense and experiment.
The lense choice is critical but because of physics, it is impossible to get the correct lense to picture a model... you need to go the other direction, use tele lense and cheat. Using photoshop is the absolute last resort as it can't create real effects, as in nature. If i'm comping a pict for work (I'm in the Advertising Branch) and I know that some of the photo will need to be out of focus, I will always get the photographer to shoot the pict out of focus so I'm able to sample it later and merge it with the finished picture. You just can't fake it.
You'll all notice that the most convincing picture in the tread are the shot's with the aeroplane flying. You don't see the details, you just feel them... as in real life.
Great thread you guy's.
You're photographing your model in the wrong way. You're using the wrong lense/F stop at this is giving you a macro feel and making your aeroplane look like a small plastic model. Basically what you're doing is recording to much detail. Trying to bum it out with a gaussian blur isn't the way to go. Start with a 200mm at 5.6 at get some distance from the model. Crop the picture later and this will start to creat the natural picture deterioration you're after.
The F stop situation is what's causing most people problems in this excellent thread. I'll give you a simple explanation of whats happening. In real life it's far more complex but this is good enough for now.
If you photograph a full sized aeroplane at say F (X) it'll give you a depth of feild of say (X) meters. Now, if you picture a 1/2 scale aeroplane at the same F stop you'll get a depth of feild of (X x 2) meters. A 1/4 scale aerplane will end up with a focus depth of (X x 4). This is creating far to much recorded detail and is giving you all the "model feel" that your all trying to get away from. What is odd is that you'll notice that it's the less scaled and detailed models that come off best when pictured this way. The proof being NEO''s super detailed big model comming out looking like a little plastic kit model!!!! Go figure. You all need to get distance between the camera and the model, shoot with an open tele lense and experiment.
The lense choice is critical but because of physics, it is impossible to get the correct lense to picture a model... you need to go the other direction, use tele lense and cheat. Using photoshop is the absolute last resort as it can't create real effects, as in nature. If i'm comping a pict for work (I'm in the Advertising Branch) and I know that some of the photo will need to be out of focus, I will always get the photographer to shoot the pict out of focus so I'm able to sample it later and merge it with the finished picture. You just can't fake it.
You'll all notice that the most convincing picture in the tread are the shot's with the aeroplane flying. You don't see the details, you just feel them... as in real life.
Great thread you guy's.
07-12-2004, 01:55 PM
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RE: Best scale photo!
Here's a shot of a mustang built by one of the guys in our club. I tried to make the photo look a little more authentic by adding extra prob blades, and another plane.
07-15-2004, 08:25 AM
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RE: Best scale photo!
Message to bla bla,
I understand what you're talking about regarding lens selection, aperture and depth of field. While I agree that's a much more effective technique, I'm just shooting with a little digital camera and can't change lenses. I'ts just a point and shoot camera.
However I have to disagree that my pics look like little plastic models. Yes they could be improved with a better camera/lense, but I don't think they look like you describe them. Everyone's entitled to an opinion though
If I were getting "paid" to do this, I'd spend money on cameras, lenses, film, and expensive developing to get the effect you're talking about. But, I'm just havin' fun with a digital camera, so these look good enough for me.
Besides, there is a reason that the special effects gods of Hollywood have all but abandoned conventional photography of miniatures in lieu of newer digital techniques. It' much more cost effective and you can do things with software that you can't do with a camera... like add people in the foreground, get rid of unwanted items in the shot, etc.
Neo
I understand what you're talking about regarding lens selection, aperture and depth of field. While I agree that's a much more effective technique, I'm just shooting with a little digital camera and can't change lenses. I'ts just a point and shoot camera.
However I have to disagree that my pics look like little plastic models. Yes they could be improved with a better camera/lense, but I don't think they look like you describe them. Everyone's entitled to an opinion though
If I were getting "paid" to do this, I'd spend money on cameras, lenses, film, and expensive developing to get the effect you're talking about. But, I'm just havin' fun with a digital camera, so these look good enough for me.
Besides, there is a reason that the special effects gods of Hollywood have all but abandoned conventional photography of miniatures in lieu of newer digital techniques. It' much more cost effective and you can do things with software that you can't do with a camera... like add people in the foreground, get rid of unwanted items in the shot, etc.
Neo