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10-16-2010 | 12:47 AM
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First of all, I bought my Kingtiger with my own money. None of it came from my mother. Second, if Vincent Warwick is releasing business transation information to you, there is a BIG problem. Third, I am not claiming to know more than you or anyother person on this forum. I am sick of the fact that every time I post something I always get this feedback on my age, and et cetrea. Telling me to play in traffic is not good for my health, so I wont be doing that anytime soon.
I really can not believe that grown men are saying this, to tell you the truth....sometimes I wonder if you are all teens just like me sitting behind a computer all day researching tanks and afvs on wiki.......
Any ways to the nice people out there; I got a new book today, its called The International Visual Encyclopedia of Tanks and Armored Fighting Vehicles. Its a cool reference book for painting ides, but isnt that detailed. most of the info. on things in the book ( for example, the Tiger) is condensed into 3 sentences.
I really can not believe that grown men are saying this, to tell you the truth....sometimes I wonder if you are all teens just like me sitting behind a computer all day researching tanks and afvs on wiki.......
Any ways to the nice people out there; I got a new book today, its called The International Visual Encyclopedia of Tanks and Armored Fighting Vehicles. Its a cool reference book for painting ides, but isnt that detailed. most of the info. on things in the book ( for example, the Tiger) is condensed into 3 sentences.
10-16-2010 | 01:13 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
Here's some of my stuff from "back in the day". 21 years US Army. I suspect there are a few of us around here. You might learn quite a bit from those of us who've been downrange. Real combat is not like a video game, and respect must be earned every day.
edit - On 16Oct10I removed my old AirborneSchoolphoto from Fort Benning and my awards/badges photo. My priormilitary service really isn't relevant to the hobby of buildingRC tanks.
edit - On 16Oct10I removed my old AirborneSchoolphoto from Fort Benning and my awards/badges photo. My priormilitary service really isn't relevant to the hobby of buildingRC tanks.
10-16-2010 | 01:17 AM
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Nice photographs. I explained earlier ( not in this thread ) that I do not play video games as a means of research, better understanding, et cetera. I only play video games for fun and that is it. Its not nice to stereotype people. If I went around calling every Vietnam vet. a 'baby killer' ( which I would never do) that wouldn't be nice to say the least. So dont assume that every teen plays video games.</p>
10-16-2010 | 01:29 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
Read what I said, and remove your last line in your previous post. Don't play games here, sonny. You won't win. You get the replies you get because of your attitude. Loose it and you may eventually get some respect. Keep it and you will be pretty alone here. Binary solution for you. End of discussion.
10-16-2010 | 02:25 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
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Hondo, you have my deepest respect for your service and chosen vocation in said service. Thank you very much for your service.
Hondo, you have my deepest respect for your service and chosen vocation in said service. Thank you very much for your service.
Jagdtiger,I am tired, maybe because I am old, or maybe becasue I put in an average of 12 hour days to pay for my home and my hobbies. As stated before, if you showed some respect for the men here, perhaps you wouldn't be "downrange" of the comments in the reply box. I have seen your posts and tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you are completely disrespectful and in my opinioon should find a place with fools your own age to engage in useless banter with. This place is for people who share a common interest and actually have something useful to contribute. I hope you are not a reflextion on your generation, because if you are, then God hel us all. Congrats on making me very happy that I do not have children...you freaking moron.
10-16-2010 | 04:38 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
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I think that I'll just forget about the make-shift Flakpanzer and get a Brummbar. I wish Matorro or Henglong would come out with either a Wiblewind, Ostwind, or any Anti-Aircraft vehical for those of us who can't stad the USA Halftrack one. Reason for getting a Brummbar??? I was watching the Wochenshau and saw the only footage of one riding next to a KT and a Jagdpanzer IV. since I already have a KT I might as well as make a Brummbar. Im going to model the Grumbler( another name for the Brummar besides Stupa) after one from the Sturmpanzer Abteilung 217 which fought in Caen, Battle of the Bulge, and eventually surrendered in the Ruhr. So to all of the people that think that becasue i am 14 years old I dont know anything about WWII and tanks, suck it!
I think that I'll just forget about the make-shift Flakpanzer and get a Brummbar. I wish Matorro or Henglong would come out with either a Wiblewind, Ostwind, or any Anti-Aircraft vehical for those of us who can't stad the USA Halftrack one. Reason for getting a Brummbar??? I was watching the Wochenshau and saw the only footage of one riding next to a KT and a Jagdpanzer IV. since I already have a KT I might as well as make a Brummbar. Im going to model the Grumbler( another name for the Brummar besides Stupa) after one from the Sturmpanzer Abteilung 217 which fought in Caen, Battle of the Bulge, and eventually surrendered in the Ruhr. So to all of the people that think that becasue i am 14 years old I dont know anything about WWII and tanks, suck it!
Whats all the fuss about?
10-16-2010 | 05:19 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
His language on this and other posts, and the attitude which results in his language, not withstanding the charming link to a youtube rant the child posted saying that's what he thought of some of the lads here. You know me, I'm pretty laid back and quiet generally, but enough is enough. My lass reads this forum, and I'm sure some children and other women also. How am I to explain to VCO what 's**k it' means, or references to self abuse (using the old term), and why it's on a hobby forum? Hence the bounce to him to knock it off. He can have all the attitude he wants, but the language will stop, period. There's a time and a place for that, but that place is not on this forum.
10-16-2010 | 05:54 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
lol OK
Maybe asking him to calm down would work better then telling him to. It's been a while since I was a teenager but when I was if someone told me to do something I'd do the opposite (unless there was a threat of me getting hurt)
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Also he jagd seems excited about his new hobby and all some people want to do is put him down, which seems like a good way of putting him off.
I know there are certain standards regarding language etc when posting here, but I've read post on this forum from grownups that have had to be deleted /edited because they fell well below those standards. The adults should know better but I don't think we can expect a younger new member to know what exceptable right from the start, especially as adults seem to have double standards when it comes to what is and isn't bad language.
I'm on a few forums and whats OK on one would get you an instant ban on another.
Maybe asking him to calm down would work better then telling him to. It's been a while since I was a teenager but when I was if someone told me to do something I'd do the opposite (unless there was a threat of me getting hurt)
.Also he jagd seems excited about his new hobby and all some people want to do is put him down, which seems like a good way of putting him off.
I know there are certain standards regarding language etc when posting here, but I've read post on this forum from grownups that have had to be deleted /edited because they fell well below those standards. The adults should know better but I don't think we can expect a younger new member to know what exceptable right from the start, especially as adults seem to have double standards when it comes to what is and isn't bad language.
I'm on a few forums and whats OK on one would get you an instant ban on another.
10-16-2010 | 06:12 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
I agree with all you say, but he has been hinted to to tone it down. Still and all, he knows my opinion, and from now on I will say naught to him or about him. I got better things to do than chastise or argue with a child.
10-16-2010 | 06:24 AM
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Spot on Woz, well said. The young lad came on here to show his pride and joy off to a new bunch of people and what happened? His beloved model was subjected, if not to ridicule, well it was pretty close. Remember the excitement and pride when we complete a project and want to show it off on here, even the old farts amongst us? Perhaps with life experience we can take critcism a little better than the lad. He is out of order, with some of his comments being over the top I agree but if you corner a dog it comes out snarling.
Respect is deserved on here, a lot of guys have served thier countries and have a vast knowledge of this subject. I'm an in the middle guy, I know more than some and a fair few know a LOT more than me and I'm willing to listen but I won't be spoken down to by ANYONE! Perhaps the kid feels the same way, with inexperience he reacted as he did.
If he does it again we can all gang up, go round to his house and pummel the snot out of him, THAT'LL teach him! ( before you set youtube on fire, jim, it was a joke)
Jim, sorry to sound like your dad but you should take those offending comments off they WERE out of order mate.
Respect is deserved on here, a lot of guys have served thier countries and have a vast knowledge of this subject. I'm an in the middle guy, I know more than some and a fair few know a LOT more than me and I'm willing to listen but I won't be spoken down to by ANYONE! Perhaps the kid feels the same way, with inexperience he reacted as he did.
If he does it again we can all gang up, go round to his house and pummel the snot out of him, THAT'LL teach him! ( before you set youtube on fire, jim, it was a joke)
Jim, sorry to sound like your dad but you should take those offending comments off they WERE out of order mate.
10-16-2010 | 06:45 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
Anyone can come onto a forum and claim anything age or service and you my friend are not 14 you are 43 http://www.youtube.com/user/murfenstein1716 this is you and your handle is unique to you only.
No 14 year old from any country will spend $310 on a custom tank then another $100 on postage when they can get one down the road for $150 and paint it themselves, how many 14 year olds do we know with a credit card?
You claimed that your 86 year old grand father served as a tank commander from 1940 through to 1945 on the western front only, in 1940 he would have been 16 years old and not in the army let alone commanding a tank this didn't even happen in the 12th SS, in 1945 he would have been 21 just old enough to command a tank.
You claimed he had 28-30 kills which will put him on the ace list, you guessed it "Werner Pfirsich" is not there, you also claimed hr won the IC1 in Normandy for the destruction of 21 Sherman's and 4 Fireflies you also claimed he won another IC1? after holding an area for 2 days then counter attacking and destroying 16 English tanks this gives a total of 36 kills so you are not good at math's the only thing you have going for you here is that the list may not be complete.
http://www.hotlinecy.com/NeatStuff/PanzerAces.pdf
You claim that he served under Albert Ernst though you don't say which unit though this is very easy to find out.
Your Grand Father would have surrendered in Iserlohn 16 April 1945 he is not listed as being there and certainly not commanding a Jagdtiger the 4 digit number you say he used throughout the war is fictitious and certainly not X1, 2 or 8 that surrendered the film footage reveals another interesting thing none of the troops are wearing Leibermunster this was as you say issued in small numbers during the last 2 months of the war around Berlin the original jacket you claim to have is one of less than 12 known examples only yours is brand new.
this is an Original Leibermuster M45 jacket
http://mitglied.lycos.de/test734/7473035477_ganz50k.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=27791
This is the new M44 Lisbermuster jacket you bought from e-bay, one thing about the Chinese is the colours they use on the camouflage is wrong and the ribbon is IC2 not IC1
{akamaiimageforum}/upfiles/274147/Us53766.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-Lei...item27b0476bc2
This is what you should have bought
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-M45...item27b27662fb
I have known a few old people who have dementia they all have the same thing in common they couldn't tell you what happened this morning but ask them about the war as any of the vet's on this site will assure and they know every last detail even down to there enrollment date and serial number they would certainly know which units they served with.
Please don't bother with false story just be yourself people will like you better
No 14 year old from any country will spend $310 on a custom tank then another $100 on postage when they can get one down the road for $150 and paint it themselves, how many 14 year olds do we know with a credit card?
You claimed that your 86 year old grand father served as a tank commander from 1940 through to 1945 on the western front only, in 1940 he would have been 16 years old and not in the army let alone commanding a tank this didn't even happen in the 12th SS, in 1945 he would have been 21 just old enough to command a tank.
You claimed he had 28-30 kills which will put him on the ace list, you guessed it "Werner Pfirsich" is not there, you also claimed hr won the IC1 in Normandy for the destruction of 21 Sherman's and 4 Fireflies you also claimed he won another IC1? after holding an area for 2 days then counter attacking and destroying 16 English tanks this gives a total of 36 kills so you are not good at math's the only thing you have going for you here is that the list may not be complete.
http://www.hotlinecy.com/NeatStuff/PanzerAces.pdf
You claim that he served under Albert Ernst though you don't say which unit though this is very easy to find out.
Your Grand Father would have surrendered in Iserlohn 16 April 1945 he is not listed as being there and certainly not commanding a Jagdtiger the 4 digit number you say he used throughout the war is fictitious and certainly not X1, 2 or 8 that surrendered the film footage reveals another interesting thing none of the troops are wearing Leibermunster this was as you say issued in small numbers during the last 2 months of the war around Berlin the original jacket you claim to have is one of less than 12 known examples only yours is brand new.
this is an Original Leibermuster M45 jacket
http://mitglied.lycos.de/test734/7473035477_ganz50k.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=27791
This is the new M44 Lisbermuster jacket you bought from e-bay, one thing about the Chinese is the colours they use on the camouflage is wrong and the ribbon is IC2 not IC1
{akamaiimageforum}/upfiles/274147/Us53766.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-Lei...item27b0476bc2
This is what you should have bought
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-M45...item27b27662fb
I have known a few old people who have dementia they all have the same thing in common they couldn't tell you what happened this morning but ask them about the war as any of the vet's on this site will assure and they know every last detail even down to there enrollment date and serial number they would certainly know which units they served with.
Please don't bother with false story just be yourself people will like you better
10-16-2010 | 08:48 AM
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Thank you for the people that are sticking up for me. Here is my point of view on all of this: I have never shown disrespect to any of the soldiers on this forum on anywhere else, and I find it quite ironic that all of the people demanding respect don't show it. I honestly fell like a cornered animal right now........or Whittmann being ambushed. I fist joined this forum because i though I could talk about certain topics with people that are actually interested unlike just about everyone I know; I now realize that there is some law that says 'if you didn't serve in the USAF, get the h- out' and ' if your creative in the creation of your tanks, you might as well shoot yourself before we bash your head in' That, and all of the other remarks as to some youtube user who is 40 something years old is not true, ANDthat I didnt buy my tank. Let me tell you something 'lad', I bought that amazing KT after mowing lawns all summer, my mom didnt pay a penny for it. Obviously some of you have a problem with young people on here who bring up new topics, and all I have to say to you is to Get over it. This is RC Universe- not RC Tank Universe. So some of you need to step down from your high horse or tank and really see what you are doing to this hobby. Did you ever think that mabey the only reason this hobby was such a small one compared to others, its probably because of the few men who have been bashing me since I clicked Create an Account. Again I have not disrespected any vet, user, ex cetera who has not first done so to me.
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10-16-2010 | 09:36 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
Perhaps Rivetcounter is wrong, your quickness to pick fights sounds more like someone who is 14 rather than 43. Still some of your story seems odd.
I have seen your KT on another thread and I think it looks good. The only part I think is kind'a "cheesey" is the fake snow, but then who would expect someone "down under" to be an expert in snow, Russians and Canadians perhaps, but not them. I see snow lots and lots so it's the one thing that stands out to me. I'm not qualified to pass judgment on the other details, just the snow.
As for the Bergepanzer project, I think you should save up and buy a HL panzer III or IV and do the make-over yourself. It is the main fun with this hobby and your efforts will earn the respect you desire. I too am bumbling into this hobby after a LONG break from my 14 year old days and I value the input from guys like Rivetcounter etc... They have helped my very much. In the end, it's the building and painting that sets our models apart. Other RC toys are about performance but tanks are diffrent. Because they have a historical context, tanks have another level of detail that we can explore. This is why these guys are into it, because there is more fun in RC tanks than just driving them arround.
If you are a kid, then remember that it is the duty of "old farts" to pester young boys, it is how we grow.
I have seen your KT on another thread and I think it looks good. The only part I think is kind'a "cheesey" is the fake snow, but then who would expect someone "down under" to be an expert in snow, Russians and Canadians perhaps, but not them. I see snow lots and lots so it's the one thing that stands out to me. I'm not qualified to pass judgment on the other details, just the snow.
As for the Bergepanzer project, I think you should save up and buy a HL panzer III or IV and do the make-over yourself. It is the main fun with this hobby and your efforts will earn the respect you desire. I too am bumbling into this hobby after a LONG break from my 14 year old days and I value the input from guys like Rivetcounter etc... They have helped my very much. In the end, it's the building and painting that sets our models apart. Other RC toys are about performance but tanks are diffrent. Because they have a historical context, tanks have another level of detail that we can explore. This is why these guys are into it, because there is more fun in RC tanks than just driving them arround.
If you are a kid, then remember that it is the duty of "old farts" to pester young boys, it is how we grow.
10-16-2010 | 09:40 AM
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Thanks for the comments on my tank and such. Its sounds like Im picking fights with people on this forum, but the same few people have been following me around commenting bad on everything Ipost.
10-16-2010 | 09:47 AM
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All I hope is that someone hasn't destroyed the awe and respect a 14 year old has of a grandparent who just may have embellished his wartime exploits just to prove a point.
OMG! what is the world coming to? A 14 year old lying about his age to obtain porn for a youtube account!!! We MUST inform the village elders. At that age I nearly went blind....several times.
OMG! what is the world coming to? A 14 year old lying about his age to obtain porn for a youtube account!!! We MUST inform the village elders. At that age I nearly went blind....several times.
10-16-2010 | 09:53 AM
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MY TWO CENTS. I do not know who is correct. 14 or 43 does not matter. The respect for your accomplishments must be earned by everyone. When you post, be prepared to take your licks as well as the kudos that come your way. As I stated earlier, do what you want to do, make what you want to make and be happy about it. I do not approve of the language either, no matter who puts it in their posts. See the paragraph above the reply box. I am also a 63 year old Retired Marine Corps MSgt. Viet Nam veteran that still has to work 10 hour days to support my wife and hobbies. I'm done.
10-16-2010 | 09:55 AM
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RE: Bergepanzers
I see that and it makes me wonder why.
Your story about your grandfather has holes in it and your tank was bought with all the detailing complete.
You would do better to claim less "facts" and show a build YOU did yourself. We all make mestakes, but we all respect the effort that goes into each model, after all, nobody's tank model is perfect. While you did pony up the bucks to get a tank, and I think that's great, I will have more respect for you and your skill, when you show something YOU did. I look forward to seeing what you can do.
Your story about your grandfather has holes in it and your tank was bought with all the detailing complete.
You would do better to claim less "facts" and show a build YOU did yourself. We all make mestakes, but we all respect the effort that goes into each model, after all, nobody's tank model is perfect. While you did pony up the bucks to get a tank, and I think that's great, I will have more respect for you and your skill, when you show something YOU did. I look forward to seeing what you can do.
10-16-2010 | 10:30 AM
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We're here to build armour not destroy people's characters, we should get on with it. Jim, as one of our friends has said, buy yourself a panzer III and try a conversion of a Berge. Here are a couple of shots of mine, probably NOT historically correct but who cares, I don't. I enjoyed building it and I still get pleasure from it now, THATS the important thing, and, more importantly, no one was killed or injured in the making of it.
10-16-2010 | 10:38 AM
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Very nice job! I like the details inside like the gas bottles and tools. Insperational. Histericaly correct?
10-16-2010 | 10:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: rivetcounter
Anyone can come onto a forum and claim anything age or service and you my friend are not 14 you are 43 http://www.youtube.com/user/murfenstein1716 this is you and your handle is unique to you only.
No 14 year old from any country will spend $310 on a custom tank then another $100 on postage when they can get one down the road for $150 and paint it themselves, how many 14 year olds do we know with a credit card?
You claimed that your 86 year old grand father served as a tank commander from 1940 through to 1945 on the western front only, in 1940 he would have been 16 years old and not in the army let alone commanding a tank this didn't even happen in the 12th SS, in 1945 he would have been 21 just old enough to command a tank.
You claimed he had 28-30 kills which will put him on the ace list, you guessed it ''Werner Pfirsich'' is not there, you also claimed hr won the IC1 in Normandy for the destruction of 21 Sherman's and 4 Fireflies you also claimed he won another IC1? after holding an area for 2 days then counter attacking and destroying 16 English tanks this gives a total of 36 kills so you are not good at math's the only thing you have going for you here is that the list may not be complete.
http://www.hotlinecy.com/NeatStuff/PanzerAces.pdf
You claim that he served under Albert Ernst though you don't say which unit though this is very easy to find out.
Your Grand Father would have surrendered in Iserlohn 16 April 1945 he is not listed as being there and certainly not commanding a Jagdtiger the 4 digit number you say he used throughout the war is fictitious and certainly not X1, 2 or 8 that surrendered the film footage reveals another interesting thing none of the troops are wearing Leibermunster this was as you say issued in small numbers during the last 2 months of the war around Berlin the original jacket you claim to have is one of less than 12 known examples only yours is brand new.
this is an Original Leibermuster M45 jacket
http://mitglied.lycos.de/test734/7473035477_ganz50k.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=27791
This is the new M44 Lisbermuster jacket you bought from e-bay, one thing about the Chinese is the colours they use on the camouflage is wrong and the ribbon is IC2 not IC1
{akamaiimageforum}/upfiles/274147/Us53766.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-Lei...item27b0476bc2
This is what you should have bought
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-M45...item27b27662fb
I have known a few old people who have dementia they all have the same thing in common they couldn't tell you what happened this morning but ask them about the war as any of the vet's on this site will assure and they know every last detail even down to there enrollment date and serial number they would certainly know which units they served with.
Please don't bother with false story just be yourself people will like you better
Anyone can come onto a forum and claim anything age or service and you my friend are not 14 you are 43 http://www.youtube.com/user/murfenstein1716 this is you and your handle is unique to you only.
No 14 year old from any country will spend $310 on a custom tank then another $100 on postage when they can get one down the road for $150 and paint it themselves, how many 14 year olds do we know with a credit card?
You claimed that your 86 year old grand father served as a tank commander from 1940 through to 1945 on the western front only, in 1940 he would have been 16 years old and not in the army let alone commanding a tank this didn't even happen in the 12th SS, in 1945 he would have been 21 just old enough to command a tank.
You claimed he had 28-30 kills which will put him on the ace list, you guessed it ''Werner Pfirsich'' is not there, you also claimed hr won the IC1 in Normandy for the destruction of 21 Sherman's and 4 Fireflies you also claimed he won another IC1? after holding an area for 2 days then counter attacking and destroying 16 English tanks this gives a total of 36 kills so you are not good at math's the only thing you have going for you here is that the list may not be complete.
http://www.hotlinecy.com/NeatStuff/PanzerAces.pdf
You claim that he served under Albert Ernst though you don't say which unit though this is very easy to find out.
Your Grand Father would have surrendered in Iserlohn 16 April 1945 he is not listed as being there and certainly not commanding a Jagdtiger the 4 digit number you say he used throughout the war is fictitious and certainly not X1, 2 or 8 that surrendered the film footage reveals another interesting thing none of the troops are wearing Leibermunster this was as you say issued in small numbers during the last 2 months of the war around Berlin the original jacket you claim to have is one of less than 12 known examples only yours is brand new.
this is an Original Leibermuster M45 jacket
http://mitglied.lycos.de/test734/7473035477_ganz50k.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=27791
This is the new M44 Lisbermuster jacket you bought from e-bay, one thing about the Chinese is the colours they use on the camouflage is wrong and the ribbon is IC2 not IC1
{akamaiimageforum}/upfiles/274147/Us53766.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-Lei...item27b0476bc2
This is what you should have bought
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-German-M45...item27b27662fb
I have known a few old people who have dementia they all have the same thing in common they couldn't tell you what happened this morning but ask them about the war as any of the vet's on this site will assure and they know every last detail even down to there enrollment date and serial number they would certainly know which units they served with.
Please don't bother with false story just be yourself people will like you better
