Glen B

I have been looking for information on the colours and camo pattern used byt the Stug 210 "Tigerkopf"Brigade since I am interested in modeling my Stug III after one.

I have notgot the confirmation I want, so far.

I have come across thid picture butit is a drawing and there is no info with it.

diabolic-mind

that is a mean looking tank. personally id like to see some custom paint on some tanks. im considering painting my ultimate soilder m5 stuart is bright yellow, orange, and black. give it something different for looks. with your stug i think it would look good with some dark and light blues along with some white and black in a camo type color pattern. that would be pretty sweet i think

Panther G

I think he is looking for a more accurate and true to history pattern. I'll check my Stug book and see what i can dig up.

Glen B

Yes, that's what i am looking for, thanks in advance for checking it out.

I can get the decals;

http://www.peddinghaus-decals.de/com...b688cb3904.png

I just need to determine the paint requirements.

Captain Action

What No flame job...Boring Glen vary boring.....What would the Red Baron say ???
OK maybe some racing stripes?? Lets put the BLITZ back in to Blitzkrieg.....

Glen B

Perhaps something that looks like a Big Daddy Roth creation?

Slogans down the side of the hull,like "Power By Maybach" come to mind.

Panther G

The 210 was East from 41 on. Tigerkopf is not an actual brigade name. They where a Heeres Sturmartillerie unit so the reference to Totenkopf is incorrect. they may just have used the tiger Rune at companie level. Being East from that early on the Stugs could have been any color from Panzergrau to the 2 color camo paterns used later in the war. These colors where usually dark yellow with dark green markings. They could also have used the dark earth red color.

dyeager535

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Not sure how much it will help, if any, but it was fun searching.

I know where that drawing came from: http://picupload.org/i/8967b9117c42.jpg

Linked in this thread: http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/th...3ea0377dc8df2c

Bunch here I hadn't seen before, but didn't have time to look at all of them: http://www.die-sturmartillerie.com/foto2.HTM

This one confuses me a bit, as the emblem isn't the same as the other tiger you have, nor is the unit the 210: http://www.die-sturmartillerie.com/r.../rkschmalz.htm (picture about 5/8 way down) Really couldn't pinpoint what unit he was in when that picture was taken. Probably a dead end to go down that route.


Good luck!

Glen B

Thanks guy's.

Just to clear up whatI wrote.

Based on photographs I have seen,the 210 used a portrait view of a tiger's head in white as an emblem.

I have seen them refered to as the "Tigerkopf" brigade in print; I know this was not an official name and it is even possible that may have come into use by writers after the war. I used the name in an attempt to get more recognition to see if anyone had any info on the camo used.

I never mentionedTotenkopf which I was aware was a totally separate SS unit.

Glen B

Here is a reference that is along the samelines.

A quote from; "East Front Armor Camoflage and Markings"by Steven J. Zaloga and Jamse Grandsen, Squadron/Signal 1983. page 12

"A Stug III G of Stug Brigade 210, known as the Tigerkopf Brigade"because of the unit's distinctive brigade insignia, which is evident here. The brigade was heavily involved in the fighting in the Caucusus. and this view from 1943 shows the assualt gun in the new 1943 scheme of dark yellow with olive green overspray. " ....end quote, author's words, not mine.

I have a few questions out to other sources about this but this may be all the info I am going to get, which is fine, I'll go with it, if thats the case. I have a few colour plates of Stugs from the same general area in that time period to use for inspiration.

Panther G

Zaloga's info is ususally pretty accurate, so i wouldn't say it's just an authors interpretation. May very well have been to referred to the tigerkopf brigade. I just could not find any "official reference to it. From the pictures shown it looks much more like the early dark grey paint than the camo that Zaloga refers to so i would have to disagree there.

Glen B

I have seen some picture in books that I have borrowed, and returned, that made me think that it could be a grey with another color oversprayed as a pattern.

The picture in the book seemed to be a better resolution than the ones seen on line. It surelooked like there was a main colour with oversprayed patterns and it is hard for me to tell in the b&w photo's but in the better quality example I saw, I though it could be grey but I am no expert in interpreting the colours. I wondered if the pattern was done in green.

thomasjohnmurphy

Glen, if you want to borrow those books again then stop by and pick them up. I think I have other "Stug" books you could browse through that might help with your research.

Glen B

THANKS!!!

I'll call first

thomasjohnmurphy

Sounds good.

swathdiver

What time frame do you want to depict your Stug in? Any particular battle?

diabolic-mind

this question is off topic but i was wondering something. im considering getting a stug and was wondering if this was a stock stug and if this is what they sound like stock? it sounds like its straining to run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHfi...eature=related

Glen B

Just something typical of Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 210 in the time period around Jul 43 - 6th Army, Army Group South, no particular action.

Panther G

The color over the grey would usually be a light brown. /almost the same color as the dark yellow. i have seen photos of the early year grey Stug's with a dark green over the grey also. So this goes back to the age old modeling dilemma of trying to interpret B&W pictures to color. 

swathdiver

For the time period chosen (July '43) the unit was just reformed after being totally wiped out. They received 29 presumably new Stugs which would have been Ausf. G models at this point.

They would have been painted RAL 7028 from the factory and equipped with tins of RAL 6003 Olive Green and RAL 8017 Chocolate Brown in paste form; or maybe not! They were soon completely wiped out again.

Unit history of 1942 shows that the unit had tanks in desert color base coat RAL8000 with RAL6003 as the disruptive pattern. They may have continued this pattern but further research is required.

Have you been to missing-lynx.com??? Those guys are the masters!

Panther G

Gear reduction gearboxes most likely from the speed. they can be very noisy but it is actually much less strain on the electronics.

Glen B

Thanks

No, I haven't, but I have just put them on my bookmarks and will sign in before the end of the day, looks intersting.

Update; tried to get on it but I get this message, "Not accepting applications at this time". I know I am challenged on this stuff but compared to some other forums (RCUniverse included), I find that site's sign in process is not very intuative.

swathdiver

You only have to be a member to post, not to browse or search. Their forum architecture is archaic but it is a treasure trove of information dating back about 10 years.

Glen B

I wanted to post some questions, and I went through the sign up process.

I can log on, but when I try to post something, I get this;

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So I wonder, is this a forum thats still active, very exclyusive, or an I messing something up?

swathdiver

Missing-Lynx is a very active forum, the cutting edge of information on modelling and armor history.

If you, like send me a PM with your questions and I'll post for you.