Tiger I Camo Question???
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<font color="#333333" face="Lucida Grande, Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="2"><span style="line-height: 18.1875px;">I wanted to see if anyone could verify if this camo pattern shown on a link from RCTank.de, for a Tiger I of the Totenkopf was historically accurate.</span>
<span style="line-height: 18.1875px;">Looks to be depicted as grey with yollow and brown over spray.</span>
<span style="line-height: 18.1875px;">http://www.rctank.de/popup_image.php?pID=1359&invis=1</span><br type="_moz" style="line-height: 18.1875px;" /></font>
<span style="line-height: 18.1875px;">Looks to be depicted as grey with yollow and brown over spray.</span>
<span style="line-height: 18.1875px;">http://www.rctank.de/popup_image.php?pID=1359&invis=1</span><br type="_moz" style="line-height: 18.1875px;" /></font>
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Looks like the colours in the link in my first post came from a <span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Waldemar Trojcabook.</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While the picture in the link I posted is an intersting drawing, if a person is trying for an accurate depiction, drawings can be suspect, since a drawing is one persons's interpretation.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">That pattern/colour is attributed to April 1943.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">However, in Feb. 1943, they started painting the Tigers yellow at the factory, in place of the grey.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">So either it was a Tiger made prior to Feb. (and still around), or, the drawing is not accurate.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">Of course, the old B&W photos from back then are difficult to determine actual colours from.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sometimes if you think to much about this stuff, it will drive you crazy.
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">That pattern/colour is attributed to April 1943.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">However, in Feb. 1943, they started painting the Tigers yellow at the factory, in place of the grey.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">So either it was a Tiger made prior to Feb. (and still around), or, the drawing is not accurate.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">Of course, the old B&W photos from back then are difficult to determine actual colours from.<o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o
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></p><p class="MsoNormal">Sometimes if you think to much about this stuff, it will drive you crazy.
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<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">Given some time, I think I have answered my own question.</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">Rivet counting not withstanding, it appears that as it comes out of the box the Taigen Tiger I, Early, is a March production due to the main visual features it has, please refer to the chart I have made up.</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">This puts it solidly in the "yellow" phase, as noted by the grey and yellow portions on the chart, yellow came in in Feb. 1943.</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">The numbers in the chart are when units in the east took deliveries of Tiger I's. There were March shipments and May shipments.</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">Now it depends on the delivery time, did they get to the unit in the month they were made, or was there some time involved?</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">If shipping was quick, we are looking at 2nd SS Das Reich and Abt 503</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">If shipping lagged, we would be looking at SS Leibstandarte, Totenkopf, Abt 502, Abt 503, Abt 505</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">In my copy of "Tiger I on the Eastern Front" many of the pictures show the tanks in the old B&W's as one colour, which I used to think was grey</span>
<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">, in fact, given the timeline, it had to be yellow.</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">(At least my Taigen Tiger I, Late in Abt 506 markings is right there in the right time with the 45 delivered in Aug. 1943)</span><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><br style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);" /><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18.1875px; background-color: rgb(236, 243, 247);">Yes, I do have a severe tank illness
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