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Old 11-25-2015 | 09:50 AM
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Hey, Looks like I'm getting an all metal Mato Tiger, Bare metal. Any suggestions as to painting. Not schemes but technique. I'd like to go with airbrush but after pricing, damn.
Old 11-25-2015 | 03:26 PM
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You can get may different brands and types of air brushes that are ver affordable. Even Harbor Freight has a cheap little set that is only a few dollars that could get you started. Airbrushing is always going to be the best bet for modelling painting so if you plan on any future projects you really want to look into it some more. Paasche and Iwata make very good brushes and have very affordable sets. You can even by canned air for them bet I recommend buying a dedicated compressor.
As far as your tank , you really want to use a good self etching primer first. any good automotive primer will do and you can use the rattle can for that. if your going to use one solid color the spray bomb will work for that too. But, if your going for a camo or pattern type then an airbrush is almost required. Look up Chicago Airbrush. That site has everything you could possibly need and very good prices also.
Old 11-25-2015 | 03:41 PM
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Yeah, The starter kits are more than I want to spend. Thanks. Thinking about rattle can and brush.
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Rattle can or brush will most likely leave you disappointed with the results. Brushes are fine for small detail work.....but ugly brush marks on larger areas can ruin a model.
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I'm sure the airbrush cost less than the metal Mato tiger
Old 11-26-2015 | 12:25 PM
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Rattle can the Primer on. Typically they go on well. I have had very good look with the rattle can Krylon camo colors for a base coat. Further detailing I use washes and chalks. This was done with a rattle can, and then brush applied washes and dry brushing.


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Old 11-26-2015 | 05:51 PM
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Oh, really?, Mario
Old 11-27-2015 | 11:44 AM
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This is the first time I did a Camo. Except for practice. The first time I used an airbrush. I can not figure out another way of doing it
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Old 11-28-2015 | 06:46 AM
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Just last night I bought a dual stage airbrush that comes with everything you need except a compressor for 18.00 US. You can get a small compressor for 30.00 so they are not expensive at all. When you are paying up to 10.00 a can for spray paint it becomes a no brainer to me.
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Originally Posted by Panther G
Just last night I bought a dual stage airbrush that comes with everything you need except a compressor for 18.00 US. You can get a small compressor for 30.00 so they are not expensive at all. When you are paying up to 10.00 a can for spray paint it becomes a no brainer to me.
You can find many brushes cheaper, but warranty, return, satisfaction, etc.?, then look at this - Amazon is selling with additional 10% discount coupon THIS which includes a current model dual action, gravity feed brush, cleaning kit, compressor, hose, etc for 180 US (if you want to spend that).

I think someone was mentioning "money pit" the other day

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Preparation is everything for a good finish,
First wipe the area that is to be painted with "Acrylic Thinners" This is to get rid of any grease, finger marks etc.
Then paint the metal surface with a "Metal Primer" this gives the paint a "Key" although some people say metal primer is unnecessary, me I would never paint metal without first applying a metal primer,
Next If you have access to an Airbrush then use it, Rattle cans and the hairy stick are very much second rate alternatives,
If you have to use a rattle can make sure the can is not cold and do shake it robustly for at least a minute before using it, and ensure the area you are using to paint in is free of dust and is well ventilated and has a non flammable heater to aid the drying process.
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I agree with both Dan & Greg, Both rattle cans & airbrushing have their place. But never use a large paintbrush to camo a tank. The brush marks will be an eyesore and repainting repairs will require sanding. Paint brushes for large tank camo should be limited to applying winter white wash or some mud effects/weathering. I have two Paasche airbrushes (dual action) and they are superb. I've used many compressors (w/ tank) to but the current one is from Harbor Freight ($25 on clearance). Campbell Hausfeld has good deals too. Use a good pressure regulator and watch for water accumulation in the air tank.
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Yeah, going with rattle can primer and air brush. Just got a small setup from Amazon, practicing and collecting paints.
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This was all done with automotive spray can red oxide primer and testors model master spray cans.



Then I used an airbrush for the green



Then I used testors dulcote in the spray can



I look forward to seeing photos of yours.
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Old 12-05-2015 | 01:00 PM
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Same tank I'm getting, though mine 1/16 and RC. I've been spending a lot of time on Utube, researching techniques and paint schemes. Your tank looks good.
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A question for you patchcon,does the tank you are ,getting have a textured surface ie; does it look like rolled steel or does it have a regular molded flat surface similar to say a flat sheet of plastic?i just wanted to if you were going to add a textured finish to replicate that of a real tiger like so many here are overly critical about

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Originally Posted by Patchcon
Same tank I'm getting, though mine 1/16 and RC. I've been spending a lot of time on Utube, researching techniques and paint schemes. Your tank looks good.
That tank is 1/16 scale and RC. It's an Imex/Taigen Tiger One Early, TAG12010. You can see all my tank videos here

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH8...kqoLJ6KcUvfflQ
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Originally Posted by Darkearth74
A question for you patchcon,does the tank you are ,getting have a textured surface ie; does it look like rolled steel or does it have a regular molded flat surface similar to say a flat sheet of plastic?i just wanted to if you were going to add a textured finish to replicate that of a real tiger like so many here are overly critical about
Zimmerit? No its not on the tank and this being my first paint job I don't know that I want to try it. But I do want it to look right, damn, thanks.
Old 12-06-2015 | 07:28 AM
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Sorry was looking at the paint and didn't notice the scale.
Old 12-06-2015 | 07:49 AM
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How early is early?
If you mean one of the first 50 Tunisian Tigers then you have a lot of modifications to do that you won't find in any dealer upgrades,
Rear Fenders, Front fenders, Feifal Air Cleaners (two separate drums per unit rather than the later intergrated units,) Exhaust shrouds, Front Turret Mantlet, Two Pistol Ports on the Turret, Turret box different from the later pattern, similar to the PZ3/4, Tow ropes either reversed with the eyelets over the engine grills or if kept in the regular position then the eyelet on the rope end nearest the side fender should be ahead of the inside eyelet,
BUT, and here is the good news, NO ZIMMERITT!!! indeed Zimmeritt was first fitted in July 1943 and discontinued when someone in an office in Berlin realised that Anti-Magnetic mine coating (zimmeritt) was pointless, as the only army in the European Theatre using Magnetic Mines was the GERMAN ARMY!!! DOHHH.
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jarndice, I'm going with a Normandy paint scheme, seen some pics w Tigers having zimmerit at that time. What do you think?
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jarndice, I'm going with a Normandy paint scheme, seen some pics w Tigers having zimmerit at that time. What do you think?
Hi, There were surprisingly few Tiger 1s in action in Normandy in June thru August 1944, most were either in Russia or Italy and all the photographs I have seen of Tiger 1s in Normandy show them coated with Zimmeritt,
That does not of course mean there were no Zimmeritt free Tiger 1s in that area but I cannot find any record,
Anyone else know better?
There is some good news though, the change from the early Tiger 1 to the later was happening around this time so you are free to use the later Tire free wheels and the later Cupola and the Tiger 1 was often to be found at this time with a mixture of early and late fixtures and fittings.
The Tiger 1 was one of the most modified of all Tanks in the German armed forces between 1943 -1945,
The location of headlights alone would fill two pages of A4 and the many changes in the design of the exhaust and air filter system seem to be endless,
The track cable (thin cable along the side of the hull) had a number of different mountings and it is possible to identify a date of issue in service just from knowing the pattern of the track cable fit!!
What I am saying is that all the experts will point out the "MISTAKES" in a Tiger 1 build and all that means is that the EXPERT is probably WRONG!!!
It is your Tank please never forget that you are doing this for FUN!!
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Originally Posted by jarndice
Hi, There were surprisingly few Tiger 1s in action in Normandy in June thru August 1944, most were either in Russia or Italy and all the photographs I have seen of Tiger 1s in Normandy show them coated with Zimmeritt,
That does not of course mean there were no Zimmeritt free Tiger 1s in that area but I cannot find any record,
Anyone else know better? ....
I was researching the Schwere SS Panzer Abteilung 101 for camo detail. According to some of the stuff I read, they were outfitted with some (I's) early and mid models when they grouped. I "suspect" that maybe those early ones didn't have it, but you are right, no pic, no positive proof.

You can find a lot of interesting artifacts if you google the right questions (Schwere SS Panzer Abteilung 101 for example, will find you pics and stories not easily found in a quick look).

Patchcon, jarndice is right. Make the model you own and how you would like it to have looked...you're driving it
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If you can't afford the air brush you can do it with silly putty and a spray can.
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NOOb Hi, When I talk to people about German Armour of the last unpleasantness, The comparison between the Production figures of the T34 (50,000+) and the Sherman M4 (55,000) with the Tiger 1 produces at the least surprise usually disbelief, the accepted figure being less than 1400, actually 1347 is rated as the total of the manufacture of Tiger 1s. It shows how important this vehicle was given how few there were.
Abteilung 101 was in existence for just a year and a half and had a total of just 45 Tiger 1s and a total of 60 Tiger 2s, that small number accounted for at least 500 destroyed enemy Tanks.
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