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Old 09-09-2007 | 10:29 PM
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What units used the Tiger I's in North Afrika and Italy(Sicily&mainland) Was the 501 the only one in NA?
Old 09-10-2007 | 06:20 AM
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S.Pz.Abt. 501 (Heer) and 504 (Heer). Pay a visit to this site, lots of interesting information:
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers.htm
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Old 09-10-2007 | 07:14 AM
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The Italians formed a Tiger unit, 36 in the Mussolini Armoured Division, it saw limited use before being confiscated after the armistice.
Old 09-10-2007 | 08:55 AM
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I didn't noticed the Italy note...so in Italy served the SPzAbt. 504, the SPzAbt. 508 at Anzio, and the "Tigergruppe Meyer" a special unit that briefly served at Anzio.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/tiger.htm
here you could read about the "Divisione Corazzata M" myth.

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Old 09-10-2007 | 09:27 AM
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What units used the Tiger I's in North Afrika and Italy(Sicily&mainland) Was the 501 the only one in NA?
FWIW--The 501 went into action in Tunisia in Jan '43 under von Arnim along with the 10th and 21st Pz Divisions. plus the 501st. Von Arnim surendered 9th May 1943.

According to my Book "Panzers", --there were no other Tigers used in North Africa.

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ORIGINAL: pzrwest

What units used the Tiger I's in North Afrika and Italy(Sicily&mainland) Was the 501 the only one in NA?
FWIW--The 501 went into action in Tunisia in Jan '43 under von Arnim along with the 10th and 21st Pz Divisions. plus the 501st. Von Arnim surendered 9th May 1943.

According to my Book "Panzers", --there were no other Tigers used in North Africa.

Re-check your book, it's a well known fact that SPzAbt.504 1st Company arrived in Tunisia on March '43.
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Old 09-10-2007 | 08:51 PM
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The Book I have is "Panzer: the Illustrated History of Germany's Armoured Forces in WWII" by Dr. Niall Barr and Dr. Russell Hart, MBI Pusblishing Company 1999, p.75..........

But I did find this on the Web:

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 504 - sPzAbt 504:

schwere Panzer Abteilung 504 (s.Pz.Abt.504) was the second Tiger Battalion to be assigned to Tunisia. (s.Pz.Abt.501 was already in Tunisia and operating against the allies.)

In February 1943 the s.Pz.Abt.504 was advised that its 1st Company would be going to Tunisia, and their Tigers were equipped for tropical duty. Because of the training time and delays in the delivery of vehicles and equipment, the ill-fated 1st Company did not begin to move until the end of February of 1943. From March 6 to April 16th the s.Pz.Abt.504 was ferried across to Tunisia on motorized lighters, with no losses in transit. Some were unloaded at Bizerta and the rest at Tunis.

25 PzKpfw III, two Panzerbefehlswagen Tigers and 18 Tigers I’s (comprising the battalion staff, workshop company, and 1st tank company together with the commander of the Battalion, Major August Seidensticker) arrived. The tank company had four platoons, each with two Tiger I tanks and two Pzkpfw III support tanks.

Upon arrival the commander of 504 learned that the 501 was without a commander and only 11 of the 501’s Tigers remained serviceable. It was therefore decided to incorporate the 501 Tigers and their remaining PzKpfw.IIIs and PzKpfw.IVs into the 504 since only 3 of the 504 Tigers were ready for action around the time of March 10th. Gen.von Arnim then ordered the merged battalion south to the Maknassy pass area in support of Kampfgruppe Lang.


On March 20 they moved west to intercept American forces attempting to break through to the sea and claimed 44 tanks of 9th Armored Division. These would be some of the last victories for the newly combined 1st Company 504 battalion.

Because of situation in Tunisia getting worse, the 2nd Company s.Pz.Abt.504 was retained in Sicily. All of the 1st Company s.Pz.Abt.504 Tigers were destroyed or captured. The First Tiger to be captured by the allies came from this unit. The surviving elements surrendered on 12 May 1943, only 60 short days from their arrival.



Ah, the Fog of War......!!

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The first Tiger and PZIII tanks of the 1 Kompanie of the 501st began arriving in November 1942. The 2 Kompanie in January '43. The 1 Kompanie of the 504th in March '43. That was it.

The 2 Kompanie of the 504th was sent to Sicily in April '43. These first 9 Tigers were joined by two replacement Tigers that were supposed to go to the 501st in Afrika and 6 more to reinforce the island. 10 were destroyed by Naval Gunfire and 6 scuttled to prevent capture. Only Tiger 222 escaped to Italy.
Old 09-15-2007 | 10:00 AM
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The first Tiger captured was in Tunisia. A British 2 pounder hit the turret ring and temprarilly jammed the turret. The Tiger commander thought the tank had been seriously damaged and they left it. The British went up to it and pulled the shot round out of the turret ring by hand and the perfectly good tank was sent back for evaluation. I think this may be the tank they have at Bovington.

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