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Finished painting up the Tiger crew.

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Nice YHR,[sm=thumbs_up.gif][sm=thumbs_up.gif]

Gary

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Looks good in B&W but I see panzerwest in your near future! :D


What rail line is that on the map? YHR? :D ;)

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Ok well here we go... I take it these are Heer and not SS correct? remove the pink piping from around the collars and lapels, also remove the pink piping from the m43 cap, only officers had any kind of piping around the crown of the m43 caps and it was silver denoteing an officer also nothing around the beak of the m43 cap as well . The panzer wrappers should have pink piped black collar tabs with silver skulls on them. Major should have litzen on his collar

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Don't take this the wrong way but. AAAAAAH its the figure natzi! LOL I love the Info you have to offer. I learn alot from it. I suck at paintng so I don't dare do my crew till I am profecient to paint them. And I would be afraid to post them only for fear of a looong post from ya LOL.

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I think the railroad is the SF&WB express. (soggy feet & wet Butt) from its location. A good way to make a map is to take a real one, photograph it and cut it down to 1;16 on your color printer, or photograph it again. . Verlinden makes really nice maps. Even the 1;35 would look good and represent a smaller scale map.

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or if you can get you hands on am acual topographic map, scan it, scale it and print it out. I am a topographic engineer and its not hard to do. hmmmmm. maybe i can make a side business of acually making maps for scale models.. thinking thinking..... muhahahahaha... lol.. sorry, have not have my coffie yet.. :P

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what figures are you using as i have been trying to find some good looking figures for my tigers.

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YHR.... I told you! lol :D


Nice info pzrwest.

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The only reason I post info on the uniforms is to help not criticize a persons work. Other's here point out things that could be done to make tanks more accurate and I do appreciate their input as it helps me with my tanks. So I guess maybe I should just not make any further comments and just let people do what they want to do

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No, don't stop giving us your help, there just funning with you,:D I looked very hard last year for your kind of info and spent hours on this computer doing searches for color pics on German and Russian uniforms.

If YHR doesn't like what you say about his work he'll tell you:D

Gary

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Ok cool I will continue to help out as alot of people have helped me. If it wasn't for other people picking out my mistakes I would have never corrected them. I know some might call it nit picking minor details and all but we all can learn something new every day.
I know you can find pictures with odd or different insignia etc but they are the exception best to go with the norm as we call it

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Hi pzrwest

I personally appreciate Your input and knowledge very much, so please, do continue Your valuable help with this field of our hobby.

At least I can handle criticalnes concerning my work. As I like my "makings" to look as convincing as possible with realistic amount of work.

Yours,

RR

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Pzrwest,

Keep making comments! Some people slap 'em together and run 'em. Other like to detail the heck out of everything. Your info is vital for those who want to get it right.

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I guess I look at it this way a person spends a lot of time and research and then detailing their tank and it looks like a masterpiece then forget to do the same for the figure .... to me that would be like super detailing, painting, and weathering their masterpiece then putting a "Lego" figure on it just seems to take away from all their hard and fantastic work

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YHR the figures look great... nice work.

Pzrwest... keep the info coming. I have a seperate folder that I have saved links to all your uniform posts for when I do my figures and appreciate the information. Please accept the remarks concerning your inevitable posts to uniform questions as a compliment.

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By all means, Harold, KEEP giving us the Info!! Your DAK post in the War Room came at exactly the right time. I'll try to make my figures as "close" as I can to the correct versions. (These eyes though aren't quite what what they used to be, -- and neither are these fingertips. I can "convert" scale figures like crazy, but the really fine detail stuff is a bit hard.) Still, any modeller with the desire and ability SHOULD be able to produce as "accurate" a figure as he wishes to.

By the way, what colour is "Panzer Pink"?? Do I have to mix it? (If you check the photos of my Mark IV, you'll notice there's no "Insignia". That's because I HATE that part of the job.....!)

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You better not![:o] We count on you for the correct info on uniforms and other things, and we like it and need it! We would be lost without your knowledge! :( I was just joking with YHR, I hope I did not offend you? It was all meant in fun. :D

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I am not the least bit offended by critiscm. My only rant would be on those that critique but never contribute. PZwest, you have pointed out inaccuracies that I thought I had right. I am so confused. Heer, SS, general, M43 cap ?????? What the heck. I don't know. I just started modeling tanks a year ago. I hear what you are saying and to some degree I agree, but it is not my nature to spend much time worrying about these kind of things. Sooner or later I will get it right. This attempt is closer then my last one. Maybe my next one will be right:D

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YHR I'll make it simple SS the eagle is on the sleeve, Heer(army) the eagle on the breast. I took the man in the copula as a major or col as a general wouldn't be in the tank, the man in the loaders hatch is wearing the m43 cap. As for the 2 wearing peaked caps they are called crusher caps as they are not regular peaked caps. Regular peaked caps have braided chin cords or in the case of an em/nco a leather chin strap. The crusher cap has a soft leather peak instead of the hard fiber one. It is ment to be able to be flexible and can be stuffed into a pocket where the regular officers style cap can't. Also SS have black band on the peaked and crusher caps where the Heer have a dark green band. SS have a skull below the eagle on the band Heer have a wreath and cockade below the eagle on the band.

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My 2 cents:

YHR I believe you did a fine job relative to were your at today in regards to your growing artist skill vs the very difficult art of 120mm – 1/16 scale figure painting.

Words only go so far, pzrwest. The man offering a critique on a figure, I suppose should master his profession or at least be a student of the art, before offering an opinion.

A military uniform historian is only kinda of helpful, but offers no solutions on how to use a triple zero fine sable brush and how to get it steady and how to make it all happen in a good manner, etc, etc.

You seem to always leave that part out pzrwest. Can you paint a figure as well as YHR? Or better? Have you painted figures before? Why not show us your skill level?

pzrwest please consider: "There can be tension between constructive and useful criticism; for instance, a critic might usefully help an individual artist to recognize what is poor or slapdash in their body of work—but the critic may have to appear harsh and judgmental in order to state this. But useful criticism is a practical part of constructive criticism." So, I understand where your coming from, but suspect your qualifications to do so, a little bit.

In the narrow world of military figure painting you kinda have something to offer, pzrwest, but you would be taken more seriously if you actually presented some military figure work and dropped your neo nazi appearance to this community.

For sure, the cops would be pretty mean to you where I live in, if you appeared in public (like your image) and you know that too, ksoc.

The 1/1 scale nazi uniform is hated around the free world.

But, since your undocumented military figure painting skill is yet to be determined and if you have never used a triple zero sable brush to try and paint pink uniform piping, I suggest you tone it down and be less defensive and more positive. A professional critique starts with 3 sentances of what is good, if anything and then say what sucks.

And read some more pzrwest, there were many senior panzer officers on both German fronts commanding large units from tank cupolas including Waffen-SS Colonel Joachim Peiper in his Panther.

By the way, Peiper was murdered in a fire attack on his house on July 13, 1976, probable WWII pay back.

Good job YHR and keep at it. A model is an impression of reality and can take many style forms to achieve an illusion. True accuracy is not the most important aspect of producing a cool model and virtually impossible to do anyway. LOL

John

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Your figure pcomm1 is great, ss camo is very hard to do, nicely depicts an SS gunner. I will take some pics of some verlinden figures I have done up and post them. As for the actual painting I leave that up to the painter as to what brush size whether it be a 000 or other size. What types of paint they use is their personal choice. I prefer to use enamels over acrylics but that is just my personal choice. People research their tanks for details to make them more accurate why not do the same for the figures.
I do not profess to be a NAZI nor do I believe in their docturn. As a Canadian I have the right to live free and we have no laws here on re-enacting other than we comply with all firearm regulations. Here not like the US we have to take safety courses and pass them then apply for a permits to buy or even possess a firearm. Unlike the US where almost anyone can purchase a fire arm. Here firearm offences are very stiff you could get up to 10 years in Jail.
What is the difference between re-enacting German or American, Civil War, Roman etc. I do not deny that atrocities were commited in WW2 by the Germans. Look what we, US and Canada did to our native peoples no one is squeeky clean.
I don't know why you have to attack me publically this way.

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Here are some pics of my figures. Need a better camera these were just taken with an older Kodak EasyShare 1.2 megapixel
The first is an officer from a Calvary unit
Second is an infantryman from the Grossdeutschland Regt
Third is an infantryman from the DAK(Afrika Corps)
Last 2 pics of an SS nco wearing a camo smock

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Come on guys. No harm done, and maybe I haven't seen pzrwests figurine painting, but I have been priviledged to view his work on other things and therefor he passes my critique code.

Pcomm thanks for the words of encouragement, and I do agree with your statements about offering constructive critsicm. I am thick skinned and have been modeling and sharing my work for years. I don't think I could be offended if someone tried!!!!!, however someone starting out could be discouraged with negative comments.

I would most certainly like to consider you both friends, and get back doing constructive things to grow this hobby.

You know when I was painting these, I figured pzrwest might have something to say. I darn near went back to the computer to check what I might be doing wrong, but like I said, I was happy with what I did, and I figured Harold would set me straight. He taught me the difference between regular army and SS, so I learned something new.

:DNext time I might get it right:D

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I bought these from pugwash on ebay. They come in a box with three half figures and one full figure. I cut them all at the waist line and set metal screws in the top half of the body. The one waist down casting has a magnet set flush in the waist. This allows me to alternate poses with all the top halfs.

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pzrwest, wonderful military figure art, all.

Just my opinion and we have all seen your cool panzers.

One point is that in offering a critique: offer the positive before going for the negative. Just a suggestion. I see a lot of hard work, some great, and work on a learning curve (sometimes me), being displayed and that should be respected.

And yes, I have read the accounts of what the Early American Migrants, the US Government and the Western Plains US Army did to the Native American People of this content and of course vice-versa.

What happened in the America's during the 18th and 19th century's though, by no means is rational justification for what happened in the 20th Century, ie, WWII at the hands of the Axis Powers. Just won't wash and don't under rate your country, Canada is pretty clean compared to the USA's history.

And I am not attacking you and I am dismayed you think that.

Your avatar image was an issue though, as some suggested my favorite Tiger IE model in my past avatar was an issue for them.

I am strongly suggesting you will gain greater respect in the modeling community by stating that it is a poor idea to post your Nazi avatar as a public image, without a standing explanation caption, of why you are dressed in Nazi gear. As in what's up with this?

Sure, for a movie or historical re-enactment, or airshow, or whatever event, that may be a different story.

Ones political convictions may not be questioned in those arenas.

Though, a good and brave soldier prince in the UK, showed up for one Halloween Party in a Nazi shirt and world public opinion condemned him soundly for wearing that shirt.

So, it is easy to get tagged, unfairly, regardless of your true beliefs, just like Prince Harry.

If interested and as a starting place and to go deeper to understanding the issues, past your individual right to dress as you please, visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_chic

Anyway, you aren't really some California surfer dude with an iron cross decal'd on his board, are you?

Take care, John

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thanks for that
i will give him a try, sometimes you see these figures advertised but you are not sure how well they will turn out.
as regards criticism of peoples work. i am new at the tank scene and when i posted the pictures of my tanks, from what i have seen on the forums i just waited for pattoncommander to comment on my pershing he cannot help himself.
instead of saying nice tank but if you wanted to make it correct, oh no he is straight in there i would like to point out a few glaring errors, like your machine guns are too big etc,etc.
why can they not be a bit more subtle in their approach instead of coming over as being all superior.
it does not bother me as i am thick skinned, in my job as a prisoner officer you are insulted and threatened on a daily basis but others might not be and shy away from showing their cteations for fear of public ridicule. which would be a shame for all concerned.
so please think before to comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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YHR,
For what it's worth, your figures look awesome. Are they are they cast resin, or injection molded plastic? What type of paint did you use acrylic? enamel? Lacquer?

Keep up the great work, your skills and artistic eye are well beyond your experience level if you've only been modeling for a year. I too am relatively new to RC modeling, but have been doing small scale armor for a long time.

I also appreciate criticism, as long as it remains constructive and useful in educating the recipient, or is at least tactful pointing out areas that can be improved. I don't care how long you have been doing this there is always an opportunity to improve. People who possess knowledge like pzwest become valuable tools for the rest of us to gleen information from. I know both you and pccommander had a replies in my recent posting on painting figures so I won't add any images here, but I feel comfortable that I have enough experience to say you did great! Keep it up, and never stop learning.

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Not everything pertaining to WWII Germans is "Nazi". Some of folks are still pretty upset by Confederate Flags -- but I don't think that tooling around in a 1:1 replica of the "General Lee" automatically makes you a member of the KKK ... !

Harold--I'm just starting to learn about the Soviets in WWII. I really wish there was someone out there with as much in-depth and detailed info on the 4th Tank Army of the Ist Ukrainian Front :)

Dan --Be glad you aren't modelling "Napoleonics" ! A military artist we knew, who specialized in thst Era, told Anna and me that he once was asked just how many Uniform Variants there were in "La Grande Armee". He admitted he didn't really know, but, curious, he contacted a colleague in New York and asked him the same question.

The reply? "We're still not sure, ---but so far we've found Fifteen Thousand..!"


"Ourah Pa'byeda" !!

P.S. --The only time I've REALLY felt "offended" is when NOBODY replies to one of my Posts! :D

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I have been tank modeling for a little over a year, but have been modeling my whole life. I put my first Hawker Hunter together when I was five. There is a lot to learn about all the different armor and uniforms. I guy can only absorb so much.

Some of the stuff I am doing now is new to me. I am learning a lot on this forum, and think everyone here is very helpful. A couple of guys dive right in with what might be wrong, but they are quick to back it up with useful information to make it right. I hope this little dust-up helps "clear the air" on criticism. Be aware that some people take it well and others don't for various reasons. IMO people that go to the effort to post and contribute should be at least granted a gracious response. Especially the new guys. We don't want to scare anyone off and make them feel unwelcome. Once guys get active here I am sure most would appreciate the constructive criticism to improve their results. However not all modelers care about the same things, and the degree to which they follow the doctrine presented will vary.

For example. German uniforms. I will probably never get them right. IMO there were just too many darn variations and styles. On my priority list of things to do in this life spending hours researching them is not on there. I am just happy they were recognized as Germans!!!!!!! Hopefully I can absorb enough from pzrwest, and get lucky 25% of the time:D I am very grateful for his comments as it saves me the time of researching it for myself.

So to answer a couple of questions. These are resin cast models. I prime them first and then paint with acrylics after that. I could spray these with windex, let then sit for five minutes, run them under warm water and have them back to their primed base in less then a minute, allowing me to start again. One day that might happen.

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Here is some more background on this crew and how I modified them as well as the stock Heng long commander.

First the resin figures come with 4 upper half and one set of legs. I used a razor saw and cut all the torso's just below the belt line. This allowed them all to share the same pair of pants:D I then added a small metal nut to all the top halves, by drilling a hole and setting in the nut.

The legs have a powerful magnet countersunk into the waist.

This set up allows me to pose these figures with a little more variety.

You can also see how I have added different heads to the Heng Long commanders to give some variety to my crew. One of them has had his torso cut just at the pec level. He sits in my the PZIII with the DBU built into the cupola.

Hmmmm. Looking at the pictures it seems I need to trim a couple of torso's down some more. I couple of guys are looking pretty long when matched with the legs.

Also, I tried to capture goggle lines on a couple of them., where their faces have been tanned except for where the goggles ride.

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Hi,

Check this link out. You might think this is expensive but its not, because if you bought these seperatley they would cost you a lot more.
I have bought these myself, but I just have not got enough time as yet to get them assembled. They come with photo etched parts.
The detail is amazing. Im new to the Forum so Im not sure how to upload pictures. I could have posted pics of the model parts/contents.

http://www.historexagents.com/shop/h...oductCode=2374

Also these are based in the UK

Here is a further link to figure painting http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/ Click on model colour on the left of the page. When it loads scroll down to 1, Introduction.

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When I buy a Verlinden figure before I assemble and paint them I make silicone molds of the parts. Then I can pour urethane resin copies that I can customize. The DAK figure was made this way. I used the head from one figure the upper torso from another and legs and arms from another.
And yes as been said we all can learn from others. At no time were my comments about any of the figures intended to be a put down but as help. I appreciate it when someone points out an error or mistake on any of my tanks for without them letting me know I would continue to make the mistakes over and over again.

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Hi PZRWEST

Thats very interesting with regards to making silicone molds. Can you send further details on how you carry this procedure out as it seems like a great idea.
Also can I say as a new guy to RC Tanks and this forum I enjoy your imput and comment on everything about RC Tanking and that includes figures!! I recently used your antenna mod to great affect. (I did have some teething trouble though) but thats part of the fun!!

May be it is because I am not thick skinned that I did not like the comments leveled at you and in my personal opinion they were out of order. There again people would argue they have their opinion and that I have to concede to.

Cheers.

TheSungoesdown.

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Thank you thesungoesdown if there is enough interest I will write up a How To on making silicone molds. I used to work for a wildlife sculpture company and my job was makeing the silicone molds for the sculptures. I was luucky that I had experience making these types of molds with my modeling so it was easy to adapt it over to the sculpture

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YHR, you did a fantastic job and as for tall and skinny.... He looks ok, we have seen people look like that. I don't know if he would have been assigned to a tank crew. Tanks have small compartments! ;) I love the magnet and nut idea.

A note to guys: Don't put high powered neo magnets near your laptop! A slot car racer bud learned the hard way, he had them in his pocket and then placed the laptop on lap, and $1000.00 later he could again surf porn. He is a dirty old man! lol :D

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pcomm1, you ride pzrwest too hard! I don't know what he has said to you in the past to make you point fingers at his other hobby. As far as I remember, his uniform in his avatar is WW I. WW I Germans soldiers were not Nazi's! Yet.......!:D Give pzrwest a chance, he seems like a nice person! [8D]

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Hey Pzrwest... when you have some free time I'd love to see how you do this.

Thanks for the offer

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Not to rob Pzrwest of a job writing up article, but how is this site for a How To? I've got the stuff, just haven't made a mold yet.

http://www.hobbycast.net/video.htm

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Confederate Battle Flags are a symbol of southern heritage not slavery as the left continues to portray it. Harold, we appreciate the work you do and share. I haven't had the courage to paint any figures yet, keep buying those 21st Century ones!