splinterz25

Thanks Casey... I don't know what that fellow was talking about and I've asked but had no responce but it's safe and when I glue them in the whole thing has to come apart befor anything bad will happen.

Instead of the shrink tube I went one better I had some kind of poly tube left over from a Sullivan fuel tank and it's the right size so I taped that and coverd the screws a drop of CA on those and the threads on the back plate there not going anywhere!

I also like the idea of the corse sand paper behind the prop and I'll be adding that instead of the washers, the cones are in paint drying now and both spinners are ready for final assambley
the only thing left to do is drill the back plate the correct size to fit the engine!

Bruce<br type="_moz" />

splinterz25

Thanks again to all that gave me these ideas it really helps to have others points of view and even if I didn't use your idea it helped me come to the this final product.

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">I have assembled and painted everything now the only thing I have not done is the final drilling to fit the engine shafts which I'll do after the first balancing.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">I cut some disc out of 80grit belt sanding paper and glued them in the center of the hub and when I tighten up the whole thing it really made the difference no movement now!</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">WELL THAT'S THE FIRST SET now I have to make the molds for the spinners for my Mossie build!</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; "></span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">I figure there's about at least 100 hrs. in a set of these from start to finish so there not for every body.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">Next I will try to get on to the cockpit I have to get some figures and still havent found any that are worth the money so I'll most likely get the same kind I used for the Mossie just in 1/9th scale so the reo fits better, more on that soon.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; ">Bruce</span><br type="_moz" />

splinterz25

I've been thinking about going back and working on the tail section befor getting into the cockpit details there's still quite a bit of major work to be done back there and I have all of the servos now and a friend has given me a photo of the tail section drawing of a Zeroli 38 so I can make mine simmilar and will be able to take the plane apart for transportation.

Still have to figure out how to do all of this and make the control serfaces work w/ hidden pushrods and horns, if yoou've been following along from the start you know I have got the rudders mostly thought through and each will have its owen HS-225MG mighty mini servo mounted in the tail of the boom and the elv will have two HS-81MG on each side mounted in the tail of the boom also.

So I think I'll start setting the booms on the mid wing section and jiging it up I'll most likely have to remake part of the stab or do some major reinforcing w/ carbon rod -tubes ply etc.

Bruce<br type="_moz" />

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">these two guys absinthe &amp; tunakuts got me thinking last night about RDS and I may not be able to use the RDS but it's not out of the question.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">but I have another idea so this morning I took the tail section and had to repair all of the things I had already done and beef it up a good bit to make have the center section be removable.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">So far that's all I have done was repairs and cut both of the tips off and add ply, I'll most likely have to cut into the parts I just put in but I wanted to start w a solid frame.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">First I'll work on the removable part once I get that where I'm happy w/ it then I can work on the ELV movement besides the RDS system for movement.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">I thought how I could fabricate two custom levers there would have to be a left and right once I get something made up I shot some photos.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">The hard part is going to be have a quick hook up at the tail there will be a few set screws but this plane is not something that will get thrown together fast anyway.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Check the repair and prep progress,</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Bruce</span>

splinterz25

And some more progress shots.

splinterz25

T<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">his morning I started by fixing the airfoil on the STAB it was to flat so I had glued it up last night. I put two 1/16" x 2" strips down the STAB about in the center w/ Tite Bond wood glue and clamped it up w/ wooden calls. And then this morning sanded it to the proper shape most of it was sanded away but you'll see there is just enough to make it look better.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Then moved on to mounting the STAB to the tips that will mount in to the booms,</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">there will be two 1/4" dowls and an ALUM tab w/ a 4-40 screw running through it into a brass insert locking it all together,</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">
The dowls run deep in to the tips and about 1" on the other end and will go into the center section of the STAB, the photos show it better than I can tell you.

I had a friend give me an idea for the ELV. servos location w/ the RDS system they will get mounted in the STAB it will be very tight but solves a whole lot of problems! There will be two HS 82MG servos one on each side and I'm working on a quick connect type hook up for the wiring.

<br type="_moz" /></span>

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Well I kept on working on the tail I've got the dowls drilled and installed the 1/8"ply for the outside of the STAB are drilled also and I have put ply on all exposed surfaces where the tail will come apart to make it tougher for transport and handling.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Next is to sand every thing really good and flush and make the ALUM clips and 4-40 bolt up system then connect it to the booms.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">have a look the photos can tell it way better than I can!</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Bruce</span>

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Well this morning I finished up the second side of the tail and sanded it nice and flush.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">And I'm going to change the hinges to the larger Robart hinges, so I got the drawings out to check where I could cut into the STAB for the servos to be mounted and it's going to be really tight but I think I can make it work.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Then the next thing I did was install the RDS on the servos and make the ALUM mounting brackets for the HS 82MG servos still have to make the wire but I'll get to that</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">once I cut in and see what I have going on.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">The other thing I would like to do is when you bolt up the STAB to the booms where the ALUM tab and dowls are have my servo wires mate together at the same time one on each side, but we'll see how it all goes.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">I still have to make the ALUM tab for the bolt to go through I went up to a 8-32 counter sunk screw and a T nut I think this will be stronger (it may not look as good) but will be more functional.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">So have a look,</span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">again photos tell it better than I can</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Bruce</span>

splinterz25

AND THEN THERE WAS MORE!!

Melchizedek

Bruce,

Injoying your build.
I think when I start building I will employ the RDS system everywhere possible.
It is such a cleen system. So much nicer than control hornes sticking out.

Kevin

splinterz25

Thank you Kevin ...Yes I think when doing scale builds it's nice if you can hide those horns and do a more sealistic
likeness, I've been working on the RDS all afternoon I have rehinged and cut out the bottom for one servo so far
The wires for the RDS will only be maybe 2" still working out the bugs and I'll post something later.

Bruce<br type="_moz" />

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Well I kept on working last night for a while and was able to cut in the first servo bay and drill the wire chase rehinged w/ larger Robart hinges and bent the music wire for the RDS.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">I have an idea for the pocket instead of two pieces of LAM w/ blocks of wood between them, I think I'm going to try ALUM I'll take pictures of this as I do it I think this will be much faster and better.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Off to work on the 38,</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Bruce</span>

glazier808

My Feedback: (1)

Bruce,

Do you think the hs82mg will have enough "sh*t in their britches" (as Gramps used to say) lol. I know that Futaba makes some very powerful and thin wing servos. I have used these in a glider with a very thin wing, and they were monsters for torque....

Casey

splinterz25

Casey .. w/ 6V they will have 47.22 oz each there will be TWO that's 94oz total I think it should be fine.

Bruce<br type="_moz" />

glazier808

My Feedback: (1)

Ya, 94 isn't bad...I guess I'm used to overkill on the elevator...

Casey

splinterz25

Remember that this plane will only get flowen in a scale like mannor and I went w/ two in case some thing went wrong you will still have the one to land with hopefuly!

Bruce

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Servo mounts are in rotary wire installed test run for the correct direction of rotation has been run ALUM clips and pocket have been made, now I have to install them into the ELV - STAB I'll post some photos when I getting something working!</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Bruce</span>

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Alright needed a break so I'll post what I have done so far it's slow going but I think you'll get an idea what I'm trying to do.</span>

splinterz25

And some more, the ALUM parts that are oblong are for the RDS wire to go into. and the 3/16" tubes are for the hinges they run all the way forward and seat into the LE of the STAB and are glued in w/ gorilla glue.
If you have any QUESTIONS just ask and I'll answer them.

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Lazy rainy day here in Maryland today but I got a small bit of work done taking it real slow and getting everything lined up just right.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">It' may not look like it in the photos but everything is very flush and straight and once</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">painted you will never see any of the inlaid plywood I even inset the T-nut you will see it thought and the same w/ the screw on top witch I will be replacing w/ a hex drive countersunk 8-32 screw.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">When all bolted up it's very strong, now that's one side still have side two</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">I'm working on something different for the RDS pocket I've had a few ideas suggested to me and we'll see how they play out, so check out today's work.</span>
photos are on next post
Bruce<br type="_moz" />

splinterz25

okay here they are

splinterz25

<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">Hey guys back again I</span>continue<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">to work on the tail section LOW &amp; SLOW making sure to get everything lined up.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">I went back and disassembled the servo mounts and drilled the lightning holes in the ALUM. mount and reassembled them, and then kept working on side two.</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">I have come up with a different material to make the pocket out of I'm not 100% sure what kind of a poly it is but it's very hard and slick, it looks to be the same stuff they</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">make industrial cutting boards out of, anyway I'll cut groves into this and then insert</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">them into the LE of the ELV. .</span><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><br style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; " /><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14.545454025268555px; ">I still have to do the ply inlay for the second side for the screw and T-nut, there's a lot of detail fitting here and you only get one shot at it or you have to go back and remake everything</span>

Melchizedek

Hi Bruce,

You may already know about these guys, but if you don't . They sell RDS pockets individualy.
Seems like it would be eisier to buy them than make them, they are cheep.

Kevin<a href="http://www.irfmachineworks.com/rds/">




http://www.irfmachineworks.com/rds/</a>

splinterz25

Kevin Have you been following my build I don't BUY things like this, and I don't like the LAM pocket things
anyway I have made them for the Mossie build and was thinking there has to be something better easier
smaller. I'll take photos of my prosess of making them and installing them.

Always looking for a better easier way to make something.

Bruce<br type="_moz" />

glazier808

My Feedback: (1)

What!?!


Did he say easier?




Noooooooo sir....not here!

[8D]

Build on sir!


Casey