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Old 03-26-2016, 07:31 PM
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Exactly what maneuver is it that you do that twist the (part?) and ruins the cam blocks. I have bent and broken lots of struts but have never had any damage to the retract mechanism. Once I had a sudden left ground loop that broke the top of the plastic block and have had many bounced landings that cracked the aluminum frame.
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Originally Posted by sjhanc
Exactly what maneuver is it that you do that twist the (part?) and ruins the cam blocks. I have bent and broken lots of struts but have never had any damage to the retract mechanism. Once I had a sudden left ground loop that broke the top of the plastic block and have had many bounced landings that cracked the aluminum frame.
It has more to do with the pressure the jack screw puts on the center pivot. Because one side is housed in the cam block it is immobile,the other side of the pivot is not. On a less than perfect landing, between the pressure from the jack screw and the any heavy twist on the gear ( cross wind landing, or putting one wheel on the ground before the other) the side not secured by the cam block will bend at the rod weld on the axle, then the pivot block will no longer be in lineament and will pop apart. This a flaw on the Mustang and FW190 gear. Robart knows about it, has replaced part on warranty for several people.

This problem has been noted many times in the Mustang and FW treads. The axle on the left the posts are bent out of alignment. The slide blocks can't hold the pivot straight. The axle on the right is new. The first year Robart came out with the electric's I put the in 3 Planes. With in a month, all had bent. After several of us ( other thread posters) figured out what was happening, putting the extra set of cam blocks in fixed the problem. 100's of flights later not one has bent of failed. Believe it or not is up to you. Definition of a "perfect landing" a no bounce, mains on the ground at the same time, no cross wind, no nose over. Your definition may vary.
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:49 AM
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I bought an extra set of the cam blocks but found that my gear has the old round cam blocks rather than the square ones. I guess I need to buy a set of FW-190 blocks...they will fit the P-51 gear?
Old 03-27-2016, 06:54 AM
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Looking at the Robart parts sheets. The electric gear uses the double set of square cam blocks while the air gear use a single round cam follower. In order to adapt my air gear I will need the square blocks and a cross link that fits my air cylinder piston. More complicated than I expected. I may have to machine my own parts.
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Originally Posted by radfordc
I bought an extra set of the cam blocks but found that my gear has the old round cam blocks rather than the square ones. I guess I need to buy a set of FW-190 blocks...they will fit the P-51 gear?
I don't know what you mean? The plastic blocks are square, possibly some one rounded the tops. I don't know if the FW blocks are the same,
This is a Mustang 90 deg block. The blocks you put in the back of the housing you will have to alter ( shave side to fit, drill new mounting holes, remove the riveted bearing mount in the back of the housing. Bearing won't and retaining screw on the back of the axle won't be need the once the the the second block in installed)
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by radfordc
Looking at the Robart parts sheets. The electric gear uses the double set of square cam blocks while the air gear use a single round cam follower. In order to adapt my air gear I will need the square blocks and a cross link that fits my air cylinder piston. More complicated than I expected. I may have to machine my own parts.
I may be not using the correct names for the parts. The only parts that needs to be altered is the second plastic block.You should be able to retro fit each gear with no machining the metal parts in about 30 mins. I't not that difficult, I am not an engineer or a machinist, and I figured it out. If I can you can. If your gear was converted by Down and Locked, you have no problems. Their conversion is much more robust. I had a set converted 6 years ago, I set have them, the are great. How ever a D&L conversion of Robarts costed about 600.00. The Robarts are much more cost efficient, but still need some beefing up. Send some pics of you parts.
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Help!!
Hey guys I am having some engine running issues with my TF Mustang. Baciaclly engine won't run with the cowl on. Cowl off runs like a Swiss clock. Put the cowl on and it Boggs down and eventually dies.
Engine is a GP61 with a GP Pitts muffler running 40:1 on Redline oil with a 23x10 Carbon prop.
according to my friend who is also the distributor for GP engines here says the carb is sucking in hot air. It has no clean air to properly operate.
I thought perhaps a velocity stack extending into the fuse would help but he believes that will do nothing. His answer is we need to some how open up the cowl to allow clean air in, but I don't want to hack the cowl to bits to do that. Anyone had similar experiences?
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Another pic.
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Old 03-28-2016, 05:36 AM
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I had a problem with my DLE 55 due to hot air in the cowl causing vapor lock. I added a heat shield between the muffler and the carb. I also have a couple of plastic tubes directing incoming fresh air back to the carb. Seems to have solved the problem.
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Here is my problem. The air retract uses these round sliders to lock the gear. The pin fits into the air cylinder piston. To add the second block in the rear I need to be able to drive dual sliders. I ordered some of the square type as used by the electric retracts and will try to machine the proper link to drive them.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by radfordc
Here is my problem. The air retract uses these round sliders to lock the gear. The pin fits into the air cylinder piston. To add the second block in the rear I need to be able to drive dual sliders. I ordered some of the square type as used by the electric retracts and will try to machine the proper link to drive them.
Ok, you need to buy the retro kit to turn the into electric. The kit contains the jack screw and the double post axles. You need the full kit because it comes with the controller. You can't plug the jack screws into a receiver. http://robart.com/collections/gear-f...conversion-kit. Without the kit you might as well stick to air. I repeat, there is no machining evolved...........unless you trying to make your own. If that is the case I can't help you.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:31 AM
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Royster,
You should listen to your friend as he is probably right. If the carb is sucking heat, the engine will bog down.
I've included a picture here as to what I did to solve this problem on my P-47.I just fabricated a simple heat deflector.
Hope it helps
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Old 03-28-2016, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chris923
Ok, you need to buy the retro kit to turn the into electric. there is no machining evolved...........unless you trying to make your own. If that is the case I can't help you.
I don't want electric...I've had too many problems with Robart electrics in the past. I just need a way to connect the air piston to the dual square sliders. A simple pin and some spacers should work.

BTW, my air retracts have the double post axles.
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Originally Posted by radfordc
I don't want electric...I've had too many problems with Robart electrics in the past. I just need a way to connect the air piston to the dual square sliders. A simple pin and some spacers should work.

BTW, my air retracts have the double post axles.
I'm sorry, thought you wanted to convert the to electric. There is no reason to use a double post with air. The air retracts don't twist. There is nothing wrong with air, accept they are air. Sorry for the confusion. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by pacoflyer
Royster,
You should listen to your friend as he is probably right. If the carb is sucking heat, the engine will bog down.
I've included a picture here as to what I did to solve this problem on my P-47.I just fabricated a simple heat deflector.
Hope it helps
paul
Yeah I do listen to him as he is a race engineer with Red Bull with a couple of PHDs so I gather he knows a thing or two but I am interested to see how others have over come this problem. Thanks for the pic Paul
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Originally Posted by radfordc
I had a problem with my DLE 55 due to hot air in the cowl causing vapor lock. I added a heat shield between the muffler and the carb. I also have a couple of plastic tubes directing incoming fresh air back to the carb. Seems to have solved the problem.
You wouldn't have a photo of these plastic tubes and how they are routed?
Old 03-28-2016, 06:16 PM
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Like this. You duct cool air from in front of the engine to the carb.
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Old 04-14-2016, 06:11 PM
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Did most of you use the standard Control Horns on the flying surfaces?
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I used what came in the kit. Everything worked great
Old 04-14-2016, 06:49 PM
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Is there hard wood where they mount. I was thinking of using Sullivan 8/32 horns, and sinking dowel into the flight surface and going thought that.....
Old 04-14-2016, 06:54 PM
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Yea there are some hard blocks under the covering to use. But use what you feel safer with.
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I will trust your response.
Old 04-15-2016, 03:34 AM
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After you get them where you want them be sure to put thin CA in the holes to give your screws something harder to bite on and it keeps them from backing out
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Will do. Thanks!
Old 04-15-2016, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffmarx
Did most of you use the standard Control Horns on the flying surfaces?
Got over 400 flights on mine with a G45 and never a control horn problem.Installed em per instructions.


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