gary9648

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I could not say it any better! You will only need about half to two thirds throttle to get airborn. Do not go to full throttle on ground. You will run out of right rudder. With the DA in the nose you should get 120-135 mph or more out of it at full throttle. It really groves around 90-110 mph. Good luck on your maiden flight. USE the recomended control throws for elevator and ailerons. Get all the flap you can get, not to mention rudder on high rate. I take off with high rate on elevator and rudder. I normally use low rate on ailerons. You do not need a lot of aileron to roll this plane. I then switch to low rate for elevator and rudder during flight. I then switch back when landing. I use a lot of expo on the high rate rudder 40%, and 30-35% on high elevator and about 20-25% on low rates. This keeps the plane very stable in low fly bys.
As the old saying goes "enjoy"
Gary

eugene

Gary,
I have two of these planes...One bashed to a B/C razorback.... I used the 41 in the first because it was a good fit in the plane, had Bennet set it up with a Q-52 carb and B&B muffler..When broken in, I used an APC 18-12 prop. Actually, it flew pretty darn good, not a blazer, but satisfactory....propping it correctly is a must.. If the ARF is kept under 20#, power is adequate, glassed and painted at 22-23# requires good piloting skills!!??......unfortunately, while flying straight and level, after dozens of flights, the crankshaft broke off just behind the flywheel, and only handing off to an expert pilot saved the tail heavy plane with minor damage.. Bennet refused to warrant the engine, so I purchased a Brillelli 46 EI. Have only ground ran this engine, but it starts easily by hand brand new, and spools up nicely with a Menz 19-12 ultra. Took cowl cutting for the carb, and a notch for the muffler.. This plane weighs 22.4#, anxious to try it in the air, but Hoosier weather is not conducive to flying this time of year....

gary9648

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Tell me about the weather, Here in western Ohio it's not much better. I too started out with the US 41 in mine. I then turned mine into a C model, glassed and painted it up to match "Tuskegee Airmen" piloted by Don Hines. I installed a Fuji 50EI in mine and with the same Menz 18/12 this bird really cooks. It almost has the same speed of the DA50. Now I can fly at half to two thirds throttle and have some power in reserve. I use Saber Amsoil 100:1 mix with regular gas. Greg Hahn swears by it in his Fuji engines. If it's good enough for him, its really good enough for me...LOL
Gary

eugene

Did you use the Menz S, or the ultra? The Ultra has a thinner blade for less load and more RPM, that's why I chose the 19-12. I live just south of Marion , Ind. actually pretty close...Our Club is located at Converse , Indiana.....Know Greg pretty well, He has flown at our field, and displayed planes at our Mall Show... Terrific builder, and the best stick and rudder flyer I've seen...

gary9648

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I used the Ultra, but found the plane would not slow down as well for landing as the wider Menz props. I have a TF Power point on it now and it performs very well and the prop helps brake the plane better. I use a couple of different props. The Zinger-Pro also works well. There are so many prop manufactures today, we have many choices of great props to use. A friend just bought some Xoar's and the look great. Will find out more when the flying season gets back into full swing. There are some great carbon fiber props also, but are to expensive for my tastes and needs. I do not need all out performance like a 3D type aircraft or racing plane. I have found that the Menz ultras will give better performance (top speed), but no braking effect. These are the trade offs. I do find high pitch props work better for me on War-birds. 12-14 pitch. This gives better speed, while not createing huge amounts of thrust on take off that is hard to counter with the limited rudder size and causes more scale like take offs.

eugene

I actually wanted a 19-11., but none that size in Menz props.....my thinking on props also, a 22-8 would work on this engine as well, but the Warbird speed would not be there....A prop can make or break an engine, or airframe, so if this combo gets it to the 95-98mph range, I'll be happy...

Doolittleraider

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Gary,

I was going to go with a zenoah G-45 on mine the seirra gear. How well will the G45 fly it? Do I need to look at ungrading.
Thanks
Peter

eugene

I tried my G-45 in the TFGS Mustang ARC...The cowl was an unrecognizable mess. The entire muffler , and carb were exposed.... I believe the Fuji 43 can be pretty well enclosed, as can all the high$ D & Z type RIRE engines...The G-45 will fly the plane very well, and plenty fast, but getting it in the cowl is a chore...

gary9648

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Check this out, pilot was very lucky, sad day for the Mustang
http://www.localnews8.com/news/local/4986806.html

mwunsworth

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Wow. Glad to see that the pilot was OK and in relatively good spirits. Hard to see that P51 all torn up like that. I suppose it's destroyed?

MANFRED

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Ya think? Parts is parts.

AIRPLANENUTS

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What a shame. Glad the pilot's ok, though.

Ron101

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So This was my first stab at a full cockpit... I've always wanted to do one..
Man it's alot of work..lol..
I really did enjoy it .. and I'm pretty happy with the results
it's a dynamic balsa kit.. good stuff
So the wing is done...cockpit done... installing the retractable tail wheel and tail servos now
here are a few pics

thanks for looking

Ron

Birddog-RCU

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Very nice!

Ron101

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Thanks Alan..
It only took me like 40 hours to do...lol
ok ok ,,,so I'm not that fast

Birddog-RCU

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I work with a guy from Brentwood. I lived in Tracy until last year. Know anyone by the last name of Orloff?

Ron101

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No doesn't ring a bell...
but I don't get out much...lol

frisconick

Great job, Ron. Makes me wish I spent a little more time on mine. Did your pilot come with the kit? If not, where did you get him? You can see pics of my "personally painted" pilot a page or two back. I just finished all final work on mine including balancing. I had to move the two radio batts (redundant batteries and switches) and the one ignition batt a bit farther aft and it still needs 1.5oz. of lead in the tail. Don't have a scale so I don't know the total dry weight yet, but will borrow one. I'm assuming those little lead stick-on weights are 1/4oz. per section?? If the weather holds, I'll bring it out to the field today for the first time and fire the engine, run a couple of tanks through and do some runway tests. Lots of people want to be there for the first flight, so I'll wait until next weekend for that to happen (if all goes well !!).

Frank, Gary,
Thanks for the flight tips. Full flaps in the manual are somewhat less than the 47degrees of the full scale. Should I set full closer to 47 or stick with the book? The guys at DA recommended a 20x12 3-blade Mejzlik. Any one useing that prop?

Also, with the Robarts, I took the two adjustment screws all the way out of the air valve to get max speed on the retracts. They did not instill a lot of confidence at the slower speeds. I've cycled them about two dozen times on the bench and there was never any doubt that they would come down. Doesn't seem to be enough air pressure to "lower" them if the plane is inverted on the bench. Probably not a concern, though.

I'll have someone video the first flight.

Nick

Ron101

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Hey Nick..
Your pilot looks good.. Mine is an old gi joe mustang pilot... they don't make them anymore
I've been collecting them for years..
I'm shocked that you need tail weight... I have a DA 50 also
do you have the retracting tail wheel? From what I have read I thought it would need nose wheight
good luck on the maiden
Ron

n9331v

Will be starting mine soon as I am done with my KMP B25 with two gas G20's in the next couple weeks. This thread is one big help with alot of very good information.
Decided to go with the Brisson / Revolution 52cc. After reading all the post's it should fly nice with very little cowl removed.

Keep up the good thread

Spitster

Not being a scale minded person, has anyone used a Fuji 63 in this plane? Any comments about this combination would be appreciated. This is my first P-51 and my first complicated arf. The tailwheel steering assembly about drove me to drinking. Now I'm trying to figure out how to mount that engine. Any help in this would be appreciated. Ed

kochj

That is funny you should ask.
I was about to post these picts as I have almost finished my plane, finally!! I have yet to install the taill controls and servo for the controls... I had said before earlier in the forum that I would be installing the fuji 64 (really a 63cc) and this is how I did it...
I didn't go with a exspensive earobatic engine, as I reserved that money for the aerobatic planes. Everyone has commented at how badly one would ruin the engine cowl with this install...
I have the carb sticking out the side (not to ugly) and I used a afterter market side exhuast. I didn't go with the wrap around because this would force me to mount the engine further out from the firewall and that would pull the cg even more prop heavy.. To tell you about the Fuji 64, I mounted it as close as I could to the fire wall and used a long prop shaft option for the engine (yes I had to pay extra for this. 60$ I think, so you can add up the totall for the engine= 330$ for engine, 80$ for after market exhaust which I would NOT use if I did it over as this causesyou to do more grinding and cowl cut out,as well as grinding and less power!!!... anyway, this is what I did to combat a very unsightly cowl cutting... I think I looks nice and will hold up well!! I used fiberglass reinforcement on the cowel portiion, and used 5minute apoxy on the wire screen areas. I used the 5-min stuff becasue I didn't have the time to wait for nearly 20min for it to set... By puting the screen in by 3 separate pieaces I was able to finish the cowl mod by starting on it one night for 2hours, next day for about itermitent 3hours and working on wifes car... and next mourning to pull off the tape and grind 2-holes for the muffler bolts, and final fit for a nother 2hours.
I think that This engine should haul the mail!!! Can't wait to maden her!! Cheap and reliable (so far)
(mind the spelling,spell check not working!!)

kochj

These picts show my install with the fuji 64.
I forgot to say that I used milled fiberglass with the 5min epoxy
I use gorilla glue on all of the pinning of the woden cowl blocks and of the plywood for the engine mount. This stuff gets hard as concrete but does not get brittle like as epoxy..
I also do a neat deal with the cowl blocks. I drill the holes for the cowel screws, then enlarge them enoung so I can tap in a piece of sylyvan nylon yellow plastic rod.. No way the screw will vibrate out!!! ( I think this was in demo in one of the airplane reviews here on RCuniverse)
With these pieces of aircfaft plywood, it gave me just the right spacing..
If anybody has q's I can help...
Another thing is, my covering is crap from factory... They burn it up all overjust to try and shrink it on the wings.... So bad infact the the clear covering is separating in places for the glue!!! Other thing, if you have lots of wrinkles and the don't shrink up, I just cut down the length of the wrinkle and hit it with the hot iron... No more wrikele and it seals up just fine!! To bad this plane was not covered in Oracote... That stuff can give you more shrink each time you increase the temp (up to like 350Deg I think)


Ohh by the way the Fuji 64 is magnito type and start on 2nd flip every time and sometimes on first after it is primed and cold!! This was run in on my test stand with ashless oil. For 370$ minus 25$ and no shipping to door. = 345$ That is a nice price for a great running engine..... The only issue I noticed was some rubbing on the mag from timing arm! This could be to vibration from the stand or prop... I Dynamically balaced the prop, so I will have to recheck and see if it still does it..... ( it hope I does not do it again) I will be upset and take back all of the nice things I have had said about this engine... I bought it over 8months ago thinking I would finish it in no time at all... That wasn't the case! So warenty is anly way to go..... I will update if anyone interested.....
Good day all
Justin

kochj

I didn't consider the ZENE62A because of its size. It just looks massive and I dont think you could even get the cowl on this plane with a engine like that on it ... Apperently you can get them for around 280$ on ebay (who knew, I didn't until now) but, damn look at the size of this engine!! I don't want to get in some fist to cuff about comparing the fuji 64 to the ZENE62A, as there longevity is somehow legendary! I have never had one, so I can not speak bad nor good about them. But look at these picts! And trying to start the ZENE62A is like trying to win an argument with your spouse! You have to spend a additional 260$ for the megatron starter w/belt reduction. (or so I am told). My Fuji starts easily and gets 28lbs of thrust... (according to a Model airplane magazine review back in 95) I like engines that start easily.... Perhaps it is a opticle illusion, as far as this engine looking big?

Snaer810

Hi all you mustangers,

I have gone through this whole thread and WOW!!!!! What a wealth of information.
I'll start by saying thank you to everyone that gave their opinions and expertise. It took me about 6 hours to go through the whole thread....LOL...but it was well worth it. This is my first Warbird and Large scale build.

Even though I am not building the TF GS P51 ARF model (although I am building the TF Kit), a lot of information will be helpful in building the kit version. I am hoping that a some of the small redesign ideas presented here will be a bit easier with the full build sense I don't need to be cutting or taking apart various structures, especially around the gear and gear doors. That is if I do my planning right......LOL

I'm planning on installing the DA-50 with the Keleo exhaust system and Robart retracts. Still up in the air on the retracts, not sure it is necessary to go to Serria gear, even though they are really nice........

Well I hope I can re-contribute back to you guys at some point in time. I'll pass along new things that I think may help someone here on this thread or the TF GS P51 Kit build thread.

Thanks again in advance!

Mike Snaer

P.S. BTW where is Joe Eagle at. Have not see him around in this thread for quite some time. I was wondering how he and Carl were coming on the WPDrive. Anyone heard anything? Sure would like to put that in this P51 and be turning a 4 bladed prop.....