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Sorry Pete but you are wrong. There is no way to change that.
Distance away from you has nothing to do with it.
If you are flying a 1/5th plane 20 feet from you at 70 mph it will look the same size as a full scale 100 feet away from you at 350mph. If it is 100 feet away from the crowd it will look like a full scale 500feet away. That is how scale works. It is not opinion, it is simple fact.It is easy to prove with a stick and a couple of cut out planes. The speed they need to fly to look the same will be scaled too.
Kentscalculations have nothingto do with visual scale speed.
My corsair will do 113 out of a dive and looks cool down the strip. It is not scale. Never will be unless the Corsair flew at 644. In fact at sea level the corsair flew at from 311 to maybe 340.
good luck bud
Paul

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It's called "scale speed realism" not scale speed.

Besides that the Scale masters have the chart in their rule book -


That means not only I'm wrong also the U.S. Scale Master Assosiation is wrong in your opinion. Sorry I stick to the scale masters and their rule book.
www.scalemasters.org/f/2009CompGuide.pdf
check page 40

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....besides that, we follow the RCU rules and be polite. Paul calls me even Bud

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I just do not get it! Is the purpose of this thread how to draw more new people into scale or how to make their first attempt a failure? Lets look at the facts; new pilots are nervous, most do not have any idea that banking the wings increases stall speed, most don&rsquo;t understand that G&rsquo;s increase stall speed. Then to have a &ldquo;expert&rdquo; tell them they will be tooling way over scale speed, they put in a small engine and smash their first attempt at scale then go back to pattern, or fun flying, or what ever they were doing prior to their scale fiasco!

When a newby asks me what engine to put on his scale plane I have him figure out his wt/hp on the planes he is flying. Then I tell them to get the wt of the scale plane they want to build and see how big the engine has to be for the same wt/hp ratio 5# plane with 1.5 hp = 54oz/hp. Pick a engine that gives you 40-50oz/hp, when you finish it will still be around 60oz/hp. When you want to tool around you can, when you want to fly scale back off the T. we have a guy here a engineer and a pilot who put a .50 4c in a over wt sky shark Val because that would give him scale speed. Luckly he is now retrofitting a 90 4c in it now. The powers that be need to think about what they espouse. Scale is something you grow into, the first scale plane should be set up just like a sporter that way they can go back to what worked in the past when it gets a little harry and still have a good chance of surviving. Giving a newby such a disadvantage small engine, heavy plane for a two percent gain in score at a contest, his plane will never make the contest!

First time in competition the number one rule is &ldquo;take the plane home in one peace, after having a good time flying and making new friends.&rdquo; Your plane is worth way more than ten points! If the maneuver is not good do not risk the plane, blow off the maneuver but keep the plane. The next time you will nail it, that is a guarantee. Some how having to think about what you did, and being ticked off at your self for doing it all comes together the next flight. Don&rsquo;t worry about speed or position, just getting as comfortable as possible, that means talk to the judges, and safety first. Once your comfortable then start to work on the finer points of scale, at practice. You will do a steve martin (jerk the stick) and or pop cycle (freeze at the stick) at least once, that will give all your &ldquo;buddys&rdquo; something to bust you about. But it is all for fun any how.

Joe

Joe, most important for a scale completion beginner is have a experienced spotter. He/she can talk to the pilot and calm him down. The pilot can concentrate on the airplane and his maneuvers.
maneuvers: have a plan and stick to it. Don't change on the competition day.

My rule for engine selection is different. Before I put any dead weight in the airplane I increase the engine size. There is no substitude for engine displacement. You can fly your maneuvers even at half throttle with authority. Besides that it make it possible - if desired - a scale size (or close to ) propeller.

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.....and yes the Germans captured this Jug...