Ernie P.

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This question concerns one of the lesser known, but still very accomplished, WWI aces.


Question: What WWI ace do I describe?


Clues:

(1) He was a small man.

(2) He began the war as a ground troop, became an aircraft mechanic, then a bomber pilot. He was assigned to a bomber unit, just as they were transitioning into fighter aircraft.

Ernie P.

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This question concerns one of the lesser known, but still very accomplished, WWI aces.

Question: What WWI ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a small man.

(2) He began the war as a ground troop, became an aircraft mechanic, then a bomber pilot. He was assigned to a bomber unit, just as they were transitioning into fighter aircraft.

(3) He wasn’t considered a good pilot, but was a great marksman.

Ernie P.

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This question concerns one of the lesser known, but still very accomplished, WWI aces.

Question: What WWI ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a small man.

(2) He began the war as a ground troop, became an aircraft mechanic, then a bomber pilot. He was assigned to a bomber unit, just as they were transitioning into fighter aircraft.

(3) He wasn’t considered a good pilot, but was a great marksman.

(4) He soloed after only five hours of instruction; but crashed upon landing.

Ernie P.

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This question concerns one of the lesser known, but still very accomplished, WWI aces.

Question: What WWI ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a small man.

(2) He began the war as a ground troop, became an aircraft mechanic, then a bomber pilot. He was assigned to a bomber unit, just as they were transitioning into fighter aircraft.

(3) He wasn’t considered a good pilot, but was a great marksman.

(4) He soloed after only five hours of instruction; but crashed upon landing.

(5) He was assigned to a bomber squadron with less than ten hours total flying experience.

The Raven

Best match I can find is Albert Ball?

The Raven

My mistake on the last post, I should have refreshed for the last clue which NOW leads me to believe it was Andrew (Anthony) Frederick Weatherby Beauchamp-Proctor.

Ernie P.

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That's the man; and you are up, Sir. The highest scoring of the Allied balloon busters was so short they had to build up the controls for him, so he could reach them. Although there is every indication he was a "natural" as a pilot, he had difficulty throughout his career. It may be the improvised controls were causing a lot of the trouble. I'm looking forward to seeing your question, The Raven. Thanks; Ernie P.


This question concerns one of the lesser known, but still very accomplished, WWI aces.

Question: What WWI ace do I describe?

Clues:

(1) He was a small man.

(2) He began the war as a ground troop, became an aircraft mechanic, then a bomber pilot. He was assigned to a bomber unit, just as they were transitioning into fighter aircraft.

(3) He wasn’t considered a good pilot, but was a great marksman.

(4) He soloed after only five hours of instruction; but crashed upon landing.

(5) He was assigned to a bomber squadron with less than ten hours total flying experience.

(6) He crashed three planes before scoring his first victory. Speculation was that his small size, and necessary modifications to his aircraft’s flight controls, to allow his to fly his plane, may have contributed to his difficulty flying.

(7) He flew for over three months before scoring his first victory; then scored all his victories in just over eleven months; despite being away from the front for almost a month on other duties.

(8) He was wounded by ground fire just over a month before the war ended, which ended his combat service.

(9) His first 21 victories included 16 enemy fighters and 5 observation planes. Then, he decided to shift his emphasis to blinding the enemy.

(10) He died in a training accident, preparing for an airshow; and it was surmised his small size may have contributed to the loss of control which lead to his death.

Answer: Captain Andrew (Anthony) Frederick Weatherby Beauchamp-Proctor




Captain Andrew (Anthony) Frederick Weatherby Beauchamp-Proctor, VC, DSO, MC and bar, DFC (4 September 1894 – 21 June 1921) was a South African recipient of the Victoria Cross, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces. He was South Africa's leading ace for World War I; he was credited with 54 aerial victories.

Beauchamp-Proctor was born 4 September 1894 in Mossel Bay, Cape Province, the second son of a school teacher. He was attending the University of Cape Town studying engineering when the European war broke out. He took leave from his studies to join the Duke of Edinburgh's Own Rifles. He served as a signalman in the German South-West Africa campaign.

In August 1915 he was demobilised with an honorable discharge. He promptly went to work with the South African Field Telegraph and re-enrolled in university. He managed to complete his third year of college before re-enlisting, this time into the Royal Flying Corps (RFC), in March 1917.

He was accepted as an Air Mechanic Third Class. From there he passed on to pilot training at the School of Military Aeronautics at Oxford in England, where he was also commissioned. He managed to learn to fly despite his wiry stature of five feet two inches. His aircraft seating was altered to accommodate him; his seat was raised so he had a better view from the cockpit and so he could reach controls. Blocks of wood were also fastened on his rudder bar so he could reach it.

On 10 June 1917, he soloed, when he had just over five hours flying time. He crashed upon landing, wiping out the landing gear. Nevertheless, he continued to fly solo. He was passed on to a bomber squadron, Number 84, with a little under ten hours flying experience.

When he joined 84 Squadron in July 1917, it was re-forming as a fighter squadron.
On 23 September 1917, the unit went to France flying SE5s. Under the command of Major William Sholto Douglas the unit became one of the most effective scout squadrons in the RFC/RAF during 1918. The squadron would be credited with a victory total of 323, and would produce 25 aces. However, Beauchamp-Proctor would be pre-eminent, with almost triple the number of successes of the second leading ace. He was not particularly esteemed as a flier, but was a deadly shot.

Beauchamp-Proctor's piloting skills can be judged by the fact he had three landing accidents before he ever shot down an enemy plane. Beauchamp-Proctor continued to fly the SE5 with modifications to the aircraft's seat and controls, something his Philadelphia-born American squadron mate, Joseph "Child Yank" Boudwin, who stood only two inches taller, also had to use. The alterations to relatively primitive controls could have contributed to Beauchamp-Proctor's poor airmanship.

His initial confirmed victory did not come until the turn of the year. On 3 January 1918, he sent a German two-seater 'down out of control'. He then claimed victories 4 more times in February, becoming an ace on its final day. Only one of his first 5 victories resulted in the destruction of an enemy; the other 4 were planes sent down as 'out of control'.

March brought him 4 more victories; 3 of them were scored within five minutes on the 17th. He tallied one kill in April.

Among his 11 victories for the month of May were 5 on 19 May. On that morning, he knocked an enemy observation plane out of the battle; fifteen minutes later, he destroyed an Albatros D.V scout. That evening, at about 6:35 PM, he downed 3 more Albatros D.Vs. By the 31st, his roll had climbed to 21 victimsβ€”16 fighters and 5 observation aircraft.

The next day marked a change of focus for him; he shot down an observation balloon. For the remainder of his career, he would choose to blind the enemy, choosing to concentrate on shooting down kite balloons and observation aircraft. Also notable is the drop in his "out of control" victories; from here on out, the record shows destruction after destruction of the enemy. His June string would only run to the 13th, but in that time, he would destroy 4 balloons, an observation two-seater and a fighter. Only one fighter went down out of control.

On the 22nd, he was awarded the Military Cross.
July would pass without incident. On August 3, he was granted one of the first ever Distinguished Flying Crosses.

The break in his victory string lasted almost a month, as he went on home leave and helped a recruitment drive for the RAF. On 8 August, he returned and resumed with tally number 29, another balloon. On August 9 Beauchamp-Proctor was leading No. 84 Squadron on a patrol over their base at Bertangles, with Boudwin and six-foot-four tall Hugh Saunders as wingmen, and got involved in a heated engagement at 2:00 pm, that involved the threesome in combat against Fokker D.VII fighters of JG I, led that day by the future Nazi Reichsmarschall Hermann GΓΆring. He would claim an additional 14 times, and end the month with his claims list extended to 43.
One memorable day was the 22nd; he attacked a line of 6 enemy balloon over the British 3rd Corps front. He set the first one afire with his machine guns and forced the other 5 to the ground, the observers taking to their parachutes.

His 15 'kills' for August would include 5 balloons, all destroyed, and 2 more two-seater planes. He was now up to 43 victories.

September claims would be all balloons- 4 of them.

In the first few days of October, he would destroy 3 more balloons and 3 Fokker D.VII fighters, one of which burned. Another D.VII spun down out of control.
On 8 October he was hit by ground fire and wounded in the arm, ending his front line service.

Up until the end of May, he destroyed six enemy planes single-handed, and shared the destruction of two others. He drove ten down out of control, and shared in another 'out of control' victory. Two of his victims were captured. Certainly a creditable record, and like many other aces, with no conquests over balloons. Balloons, with all the anti-aircraft artillery guarding them, and patrolling fighter airplanes ready to intercede for them, were very dangerous targets. Commonly they were hunted by co-ordinated packs of attacking fighters.

Beauchamp-Proctor's victory list ran to a total of 54; 2 (and 1 shared) captured enemy aircraft, 13 (and 3 shared) balloons destroyed, 15 (and 1 shared) aircraft destroyed, and 15 (and 1 shared) aircraft 'out of control'.

His 16 balloons downed made him the leading British Empire balloon buster.
On 2 November, he had been awarded a Distinguished Service Order, crowned by the Victoria Cross later in the month, on the 30th.

He was discharged from hospital in March 1919 and embarked on a four month long lecture tour of the USA, before returning to England and qualifying as a seaplane pilot with a permanent commission as a Flight Lieutenant in the RAF.

After his VC investiture at Buckingham Palace in November 1919 he was awarded a year’s leave, and this enabled him finish his BSc degree in Engineering.

Beauchamp-Proctor was killed on the 21 June 1921 in a training accident flying a Sopwith Snipe, in preparation for an air show at the RAF Hendon. His aircraft went into a vicious spin after performing a slow loop, and he was killed in the ensuing crash. At least one observer remarked that the loss of control and subsequent crash of the aircraft could have been linked to Proctor's diminutive size.

He was originally buried at Upavon, Wiltshire, but in August 1921 his body was returned to South Africa where he was given a state funeral.
There still exists confusion over Beauchamp-Proctor's given name. For decades he was listed as "Anthony" but more recent scholarship indicates "Andrew", which apparently is the name on his tombstone.

The Raven

I'd like to pass on posting the next question and leave it up to someone else to add some variety to our challenges. So the first to raise their hand (or post a question) is in charge.

Ernie P.

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There you go, guys. Now's your chance. Stop lurking and post a question. What's the worst that can happen? That some one answers it quickly? Thanks; Ernie P.

perttime

I had an idea but that one was done not all that long ago... so...

1) this trainer was developed from an interceptor fighter that was developed from a civil utility aircraft.
2) it was exported to a handful of countries and the country of origin used it to meet the increased need for trainers during WW2

perttime

1) this trainer was developed from an interceptor fighter that was developed from a civil utility aircraft.
2) it was exported to a handful of countries and the country of origin used it to meet the increased need for trainers during WW2

3) more specifically, it was used by the Navy of the country of origin
4) the Japanese air force operated a few of them

perttime

1) this trainer was developed from an interceptor fighter that was developed from a civil utility aircraft.
2) it was exported to a handful of countries and the country of origin used it to meet the increased need for trainers during WW2

3) more specifically, it was used by the Navy of the country of origin
4) the Japanese air force operated a few of them

5) it used a Wright R-975 engine

(off to bed now)

Ernie P.

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I will not answer... I will not answer... I will not... But, if no one else does... Thanks; Ernie P.

Mein Duff

Ok How about the Boeing Stearman?

perttime

Not the Stearman.

1) this trainer was developed from an interceptor fighter that was developed from a civil utility aircraft.
2) it was exported to a handful of countries and the country of origin used it to meet the increased need for trainers during WW2

3) more specifically, it was used by the Navy of the country of origin
4) the Japanese air force operated a few of them

5) it used a Wright R-975 engine

6) picture

perttime

Not the Stearman.

1) this trainer was developed from an interceptor fighter that was developed from a civil utility aircraft.
2) it was exported to a handful of countries and the country of origin used it to meet the increased need for trainers during WW2

3) more specifically, it was used by the Navy of the country of origin
4) the Japanese air force operated a few of them

5) it used a Wright R-975 engine

6) picture



7) one major export destination was the big Dutch colony in what is now Indonesia. Due to the progress of the war the aircraft had to be delivered elsewhere

Top_Gunn

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North American BT-9?

perttime

Nope.

1) this trainer was developed from an interceptor fighter that was developed from a civil utility aircraft.
2) it was exported to a handful of countries and the country of origin used it to meet the increased need for trainers during WW2

3) more specifically, it was used by the Navy of the country of origin
4) the Japanese air force operated a few of them

5) it used a Wright R-975 engine

6) picture



7) one major export destination was the big Dutch colony in what is now Indonesia. Due to the progress of the war the aircraft had to be delivered elsewhere
8) my sources differ on how many the US Navy had: 305, or one more batch making the total 455

swede5

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Even though I don't have the time to properly follow the rules of engagement for this thread .................. I can answer the mail (so to speak)

The Curtiss-Wright CW-22 was a 1940s American general-purpose advanced training monoplane aircraft built by the Curtiss-Wright Corporation. It was operated by the United States Navy as a scout trainer with the designation SNC-1 Falcon.

Please do carry on ............

And for the record the picture is the refueling of an SNC-1 at NAS Corpus Christi, 1942.

perttime

Correct!

"the CW-22 was developed from the CW-19 via the single-seat CW-21 light fighter"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_CW-22
http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/curtiss_snc.php

I understood that swede5 does not want to post a question. Anybody else, please go ahead.

swede5

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Not so much as the does not want as ............ sorely lacking for time right now.

If no one has posted by after dinner CDT USA I will take a crack at it .............

perttime

We can wait a few hours

I think people get worried if nothing happens in about 24 hours...

Mein Duff

OK, This softball will give Swede 5 enough time to confound all us with something else !

I am thinking of a post WW1 aircraft biplane built by a British Co. that was a modification of a Nieuport design after Nieuport closed down.

The original versions had the Dragonfly engine.

SimonCraig1

the Nieuport Nighthawk?

swede5

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And speaking of post WWI biplanes ..............

1. There was a plane that did not make the performance grade as a fighter and was instead classified as something else. It had a P&W engine.