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cpsdd56 12-01-2008 02:12 PM

RE: CMP BF109F BUILDING THREAD
 
Will the 120sp be large enough to fly the CMP 109

rchorn 12-01-2008 02:23 PM

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cpsd56, I would think so, I'm putting a Saito 150 4cycle in mine and I know that Scalecraft flew his with a 108 2 stroke and it flew good , no barn burner but ok .

Evil_Merlin 12-01-2008 02:59 PM

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I think I may just go with the OS 1.08 then.

I have an ASP 1.50, the Moki 1.80 and a few of the OS 1.08's. I think the 1.08 is going to be the easiest to hide in the narrow nose... the Moki is just huge and they don't much like being mounted upside down. Not sure about the ASP 1.50 but I'll have to check it's fit.

Loopman 12-01-2008 06:03 PM

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Evil Merlin,
I respect your statement on the Moki but have to differ with you. I have a 1.8 in a Platt Spitfire and it is inverted and runs very well in that position. I do however recommend using an on-board glow for insurance. I was thinking of using an OS 1.20 AX, it's the same mounting footprint as the .91AX and as such should not hang out that much. I will also probably use a Bennett muffler since I've had great luck with Dick Bennett's work. JMTC! I also will try to use the diamond treaded Robart wheels instead of the Williams Brothers vinatge wheels. The Robarts are marked for WWII German aircraft.

Happy Holidays!

Loopman

SCALECRAFT 12-01-2008 06:13 PM

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Evil

Let me point out one thing I forgot to mention.

I built a custom exhaust system for my 108 to get every bit of power out of it. My goal was to make an exhaust system to have enough volume and flow to allow the hot gases to expand and not limit the engines performance. Yet be hidden.

I did this because I noticed that many of the commercial in cowl exhaust systems look like they really reduce the volume of the exhaust system, (plus they are around $80) which for a 2 stoke is like a power limiter. As we know 2 stroke performance depends heavily on exhaust flow.

So I would be willing to bet that my 108 is not going to be much slower than a muffled larger 2 stroke engine CMP 109.

Again, these are things thate have worked well for me in the past.

If I thin out the wing and H-stab and V-stab later, I know it will be much faster.

Steve

kahloq 12-02-2008 02:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Loopman

Evil Merlin,
I respect your statement on the Moki but have to differ with you. I have a 1.8 in a Platt Spitfire and it is inverted and runs very well in that position. I do however recommend using an on-board glow for insurance. I was thinking of using an OS 1.20 AX, it's the same mounting footprint as the .91AX and as such should not hang out that much. I will also probably use a Bennett muffler since I've had great luck with Dick Bennett's work. JMTC! I also will try to use the diamond treaded Robart wheels instead of the Williams Brothers vinatge wheels. The Robarts are marked for WWII German aircraft.

Happy Holidays!

Loopman
Where are they marked for WWII german aircraft? No real ME-109 had diamond treaded tires.

Loopman 12-02-2008 07:36 AM

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Kahlog,
The Robart wheels have Goodyear on one side and Continental on the other. While you are probably correct about the tread design, you can also get them in regular tread as well. Either way what does it matter when the wheels are sucked up into the wheel well? I don't plan on entering any contests with this bird but the Me109 is a favorite of mine and I will just do a few extra touches of my own liking while staying within the normal scheme. One things for sure, the paint and markings will have to change. I was thinking of doing this scheme. Plane was used to ferry ranking US POW in the Italian theater during WWII. It's definitely different!

Happy Flying!

Loopman ;)

Hot Rod Todd 12-02-2008 08:57 AM

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I have to give you credit Loopman, you'll go out there to be different. With all of the excellent german schemes available that weird Romainian BF109G paint job would not be my choice. I think the toy company added a bit of color for affect. The actual plane was not so pretty. The American flag was not too accurate (notice the stripe count).

Good luck getting Robart wheels of any size in the wing. The thickness becomes a problem at the leading edge. That's why many use the skinny williams bros. wheels.

Loopman 12-02-2008 06:23 PM

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HRT,
You are of course right but it is a piece of WWII history that deserves recreation. If I remember correctly, the original plane was painted in such haste that the paint used on the American flag may have still been wet when it took off. Thanks for posting the pics, I'll use them for reference. I will probably use the Williams Brothers wheels as suggested by everyone. As an aside, my Russian History teacher was a Luftwaffe BF109G pilot who got shot down over the eastern front and spent several years in a russian concentration camp. He would acknowledge his being a pilot but would not speak of anything concerning his wartime experiences.

Happy Flying (and Holidays)

Loopman;)

Loopman 12-02-2008 07:13 PM

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Hey Guys,
What do you think of using a Supertigre 2300 in the Messerschmitt? I believe it's approx. 1.4 cubic inches nad I've had pretty good luck getting them to run well inverted with on-board glow.
Thanks
Loopman :)

cpsdd56 12-02-2008 07:28 PM

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Scalecraft

What century retracts are you using on your 109
Thanks Tim

mike early 12-02-2008 07:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: Loopman

my Russian History teacher was a Luftwaffe BF109G pilot who got shot down over the eastern front and spent several years in a russian concentration camp. He would acknowledge his being a pilot but would not speak of anything concerning his wartime experiences.

Happy Flying (and Holidays)

Loopman;)
Very interesting! Ask him what plane was lucky enough to shoot him down..or maybe it was ground fire? He's lucky to be alive.

SCALECRAFT 12-02-2008 10:52 PM

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cpsdd56

They look just like the Century Jet Topflite Sea Fury ones with my own 109 alum struts. Almost any conventional air retract will work.



Just so you know.............

Has anyone noticed that our CMP 109 fuse is a tropical variant. The 2 little humps on the side of the fuse below the cockpit are for the umbrella. A tropical trade mark.

Also the little lone scoop on the side of the fuse is for the air compressor intake for the pressurized cockpit.

Steve

kahloq 12-02-2008 11:45 PM

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Considering the plane has Mediteranean camo markings on it, Im not surprised.

Loopman 12-03-2008 07:16 AM

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Mike,
I graduated back in 1983, and I have not set foot on Charleston Southern University since(used to be Baptist College at Charleston back then). I don't know what has happened to him but I'm sure he's not teaching any longer, or if he's even still alive. He did sign an aviation book on the Me109 for me but I lost that when my home burned in 2002. Trying to engage him in conversation regarding flying was fruitless, I got the feeling he felt uncomfortable talking about it. I have to admit though, he had a typical German aristocratic demeanor about him and was a no nonsense pragmatic individual. He took the russian literature a helluva lot more serious than we did, especially the "communist" video adaptations of russian folklore heros.

Happy Flying!

Loopman ;)

Hot Rod Todd 12-03-2008 01:22 PM

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I get where your coming from Loopman. Everyone who sees the scheme will have to ask about it, leading to a discussion where you can tell them the story about how the leading Romanian Ace (Constantin Cantacuzino) stuck the ranking POW down in the belly of the plane and flew him out. Cantacuzino's story alone is very interesting. After he dropped off the POW, he jumped in a P-51 and escorted a bunch of bombers back to get the rest of the prisoners. He performed aerobatics in the P-51 that dazzled the Americans. He may be the only pilot during the war to shoot down Soviet, British, US, and German Airplanes.

If you'd like to here more of his story, go here.

[link=http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/cantacuzino/cantacuzino.htm]http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/cantacuzino/cantacuzino.htm[/link]

Asanders 12-03-2008 01:54 PM

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thanks Todd, that was very interesting reading about the Romanian ace. there is so much we dont know about that conflct. All the small stories that will probably never be told.

Loopman 12-03-2008 05:37 PM

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HRT,
Hollywood could make a great movie about this guy! He's the only fighter pilot to shoot down US,British,Soviet and German warplanes! He was of the aristocracy, played on the national hockey team, raced motorcycles and according to his friend "had lots of women, from countesses to cooks". I envy this guy! I'm definitely doing this plane!

Happy Flying!

Loopman ;)

MANFRED 12-03-2008 10:50 PM

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Picked one up for the $237.00 special.Such a deal!

jescardin 12-04-2008 05:03 AM

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For those interested in the life on Prince Cantacuzeno, as was known in Spain, here you have links to two biography webs:

http://www.funaereacv.es/Relatos/con...antacuzeno.pdf

http://www.pilotosmuertos.es/comunic...ntacuzino.html

They are in spanish language but I know many of you may understand and other may find usefull the images.

Hope you like then and best regards.

snappa 12-07-2008 10:34 PM

RE: CMP BF109F BUILDING THREAD
 
my replacement spinner is on the way dam it cost me a bit $NZ70 which works out to about $US35

HW50 12-08-2008 01:38 AM

RE: CMP BF109F BUILDING THREAD
 
Where did you buy the spinner, snappa?
Thanks,
Helge.

NoFlaps 12-11-2008 01:30 PM

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Where'd you buy it for that price of $237 ?
I'm in for one.
Also, Has anyone actually done a detailed flight report ?
I've only read limited things and even Ramestien44 is selling this plane after a flight or two; what's up with that ?
How does she rate on the ground, in the air, with & w/ out flaps or brakes, stalls, manuverability, rudder cooordination, etc ?

Evil_Merlin 12-11-2008 03:43 PM

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Word has it from AK Models, the 109 has already been canned by CMPro.

I got mine from Nitro and am still waiting for a replacement canopy.

SCALECRAFT 12-11-2008 07:17 PM

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Canned already.

Was it not a big seller??

Look for the sale prices.

It flies great. I will try to get a video of mine on Sunday. If i can find a camera man.

Steve


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