I am new comer for poly racing, but I am in China, and I have good chance to on-site visit The World Model’s factory in 2017. TWM’s factory manager is also become my friend. Some data shocked me, and I hope to share with you.

1. From 2014 to now, Spitfire only be sold 300pcs. 200 is for US market, and 100 is for China market. Most of you regard TWM’s Spitfire as great plane, but evaluate this tough number. 4 year passed , only 300 pcs !
2. Spitfire price is about $250. One worker can only finish one model per day, because most of work must be done by hand, especially for skin which is boring and time-consumption work. One worker’s salary is $50 per day in China. So you calculate by yourself, and it’s very limited profit for Spitfire.
3. Poor market, poor profit, and huge inventory in TWM. I get one data for inventory: total 8ku airplane in warehouse. From last year, TWM’s founder and GM hope to sell total factory, and bid price is $1.5M which include all of factory device and 8ku inventory.

Finally, I just to tell you such truth: poly racing is exciting, but the TWM’s business is so tough! Pls buy more and buy more, cherish every plane of TWM. Maybe one day you will find TWM is disappear, even you have no time to say goodbye to TWM---your old friend!

Hi baigs. I love the World Models. They fly like they are on rails. I just recently purchased the Strega but I still prefer the standard mustang.
My suggestion would be to offer the planes uncovered! Personally I don't like the covering they used and would prefer covering it myself.
I've actually gone through the process of removing the covering and putting my own Top Flight Monokote on instead. If I could get one
from WM's like that. I wouldn't hesitate in buying a couple Stock Mustangs right now.

Just a suggestion my friend. I've know others who have recovered them the same way.

Sincerely,

Dan Kelly. Tucson Arizona.

No covering, prefer to paint or cover myself.

All of the R/C airplane makers have had it tough. Even the quad suppliers have it tough because the competition is so fierce and constant new developments make FPV quad racing a full time venture if you really want to be competitive. Constant evolution in Open Source Software in Open TX and BetaFlight is a challenge to keep up with. But FPV quads are a lot of fun.

I have not been participating on RCU much lately because the audience is so limited compared to some other sources like Facebook. Plus photos don't upload correctly and attachments become corrupter. Just too frustrating. I mostly use the NMPRA Forums and my multiple pages on Facebook. On Facebook, my https://www.facebook.com/RCWarbirdRacing/ page has over 1200 Likes and more followers. The AirBorne Models Showcase page at https://www.facebook.com/AirBorneModelsShowcase is also over 1200 Likes. My other pages like https://www.facebook.com/club40racing has over 600 Likes. And I have other pages.

I worked with AirBorne Models in 2005-2006 to bring out the Sky Raider Mach II in solid colors with CA hinges. I pushed very hard to get the CA hinges so people could easily strip and trim their planes. We expanded from solid white and solid yellow to solid orange and solid red as well. Then the LA Racer 40 was brought out in solid white and solid yellow with CA hinges. In the heydays of Club 40 in 2008 and 2009 I once had over 55 Sky Raider Mach II kits alone on hand. Plus a variety of other planes from small electrics to giant scale. My mobile hobby shop was better stocked with ARF kits than any local hobby shop. After my "Pylon Racing for Everyone" article came out in the October 2009 Model Aviation, Club 40 boomed. However I had to take a year and a half hiatus in 2010-2011 due to my job at Bank of America t the time. Then in 2012, Club 40 was hit by a devastating blow. Thunder Tiger was shipping hybrid PRO /40/46 engines. Then they ceased production all together. Many Club 40 groups got discouraged and gave up.

Some people though that AirBorne was taking advantage of a monopoly on Club 40 planes, but the reality was that labor cost in China and the value of the Chinese dollar was making it necessary to constantly raise the prices.

We tried producing the Sky Raider Mach II in an ARC. They did not sell well, just as a previous attempt with the P-51 Mustang 46 had not worked either. There are problems with providing ARC kits that most people don't know about. Because the products are on containers on ships for long periods of time, the moisture causes warping of wings and other bad things.

In the case of the Spitfire 40 the plane was designed with input from Richard Verano. It was built super tough to handle the YS115FZ-WS. Unfortunately the wing has open bays. This was supposed to have been corrected in a recent production, but it was not. Bit the plane has CA hinges and is very easy to strip. I can turn one into an ARC in an hour. Technique is the key. Use limited heat from a heat gun and use acetone to remove the covering backing residue.

In the case of the P-51D Strega 40 Richard also had large input and they did listen to me and take my advise on fully sheeting the wing. And changing the ailerons from the strip to the more scale ones. And with CA hinges on everything. The only thing that is hard to strip on the Strega is the canopy. It is molded fiberglass and getting the ToughLon off can be a little harder than it is on the wood surfaces. The Strega can be fully glassed and painted quite easily if you really want a painted plane.

Hopefully the Spitfire 40 will get a fully sheeted wing in the next production.

The World Models is producing some really nice kits. I just got one of these 50cc Pilatus PC-6 Porter - ARF and it is great quality. Not top scale, but quite a bargain for a 125" wingspan. 2000+ square inch wing in a very high quality build.

I have an article about Sport Pylon Racing at the 2018 NATS coming out in Model Aviation soon. A good part of the article is about Club 40, and the coming Club 40 Electric class. Hopefully Club 40 can make a return and as Duane Gall likes to say "A rising tide raises all boats".

BTW, a lot of people don't like ToughLon. The biggest problem is they treat it like a higher temperature covering and damage the backing. I have a PDF that I will try to upload that will help you deal with ToughLon.

Please visit my video channels at http://DonStegall.com ... http://RCPylon.TV ... http://RCFieldBox.com

I have videos already taped about the new Outrageous EF1, the new Scarlet Screamer EF1, the Spitfire 40, and The Wings Maker Wingman II. Look for them soon

I would also like to see these planes sold without cover or even in Kit form... I would feel better about racing a plane that did 160 if i glue it together.

Do you want a built-up fuselage or a fiberglass fuselage? Do you want foam core wings or built-up wings?

I know of stuff in development by some people and depending on what size of wing you want to, or need to use, and what size of engine, I may have sources. I've even considered cloning The World Models P-51 Mustang 46 in a fiberglass and foam kit.

Do you race in RCPROWarbirdRacing.com or do you run under the NorCal or the Marty Flood rules?

In the absence of the availability of the typical ARF warbirds from the large manufacturers that are available from the low labor cost areas of the world,
There are at least 4 or 5 individuals participating in the SAMs race series that have designed and tested their own planes for this series.
I'd suggest looking them up and seeing what they have to offer.
The Coach (Steve N) and Tim Stafford are two individuals that come to mind that have designed good looking, very close to scale planes that are competitive in this type of event.

Thanks Tommy Gun.

Can you email contact information for them to [email protected] or have them contact me? ... I''m working on a number of EF1, Q500, and Club 40 laser cut kits and maybe these guys would like some exposure or a distribution outlet for their efforts.

My products will be available on Amazon and direct.

Check out my products at StegallHobbies.store ... See my line, and if you see something you like, just email me and I'll reward you for the tip.

A Form Core wing and fiberglass fuse would be fine. I been looking for a 400" wing so that I can run a smaller engine (Jett .56). I believe that having a second or third option to the YS Solution would be go for the sport and create the Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge rivalry. I also think the 80" class would be good if anyone would actually put on a race that included this class.

I would actually like to see this happen as well. More than anything I would be interested to see what would need to be done to get one of these airframes to go fast enough to breakout at 1:30. If anyone is willing to give up their field for a day or two in some area of the Southwest, (AZ, CA, NV, UT), that could accommodate the course as described and help promote it, I may be willing to put a race together.

I know of a laser cut P-51 in development with different wings in the 400 square inch range. I'm checking on its status to see if it is going to become an ARF, or if I can offer the kit or kits of variations on it.

Warbird80.com will be a blast. I plan to have at least one RCPRO Warbird and RCPRO Warbird 80 race on the East Coast in 2019. Can't get it done in 2018.

There has been a lot more interest since we raised the engine size to 65.55cc (4.0 c.i.) and went to breakout times. More people seem to be interested in having a range of brackets they can target.

And they like that they can use planes that are "50cc" and not just the smaller 40cc and under size.

I'm putting a DLE-60 Twin on a World Models Zero.G.S. with 80" wingspan. It has a fiberglass fuselage and built up wing. I may reinforce the wing by adding endgrain spars between the main spars. It has some small (like 1/8" or 3mm) balsa pieces (can't remember what they are called at the moment - vertical shear webs I think). I may be able to put the servos in the tail. At least the elevator servos. I think this will come in as a real Gold performer.

I plan to put the same engine on a P-51 that is getting extensive mods (as COLOR TILE with everything glassed and painted), but I can get the Zero in the air much sooner. I may put a DLE-55RA on the COLOR TILE though.

I'm putting a TWM P-51 Mustang G.S. Double Trouble together pretty much stock with a DLE-35RA as a Bronze or maybe Silver plane. I will have this and the Zero in the air by the end of the summer.

This is the prop I'm going to use on the Zero.

https://caimandist.com/collections/s...iber-propeller

The field I go to would be great for a race. (Chino, Ca - Prado Field). The Club there does not do a lot of events; but they did have a Scale Fun Fly last week that drew over 50 pilots. Below is a link to there site.

I know they have pylons and a PA system. Timing systems and cages they do not have. But there is a lot of new housing tracks in the area. If prompted right this site could draw a lot of spectators.

pvmac.com/

I have all the race equipment necessary so that is not a worry. The issue would be getting enough interest from others to invest in the airframes and plan to make the trip to any location. I know of several fields that would be great but the distance to them for most interested parties would be a deterrent. It would come down to participation and location as well as hoping the weather would cooperate for a first run. I think it would be an exciting class and would really like to see it come to pass.

The Victor Valley site would be great or this. Perhaps you could approach Terry this weekend about it.

That had actually crossed my mind when I got thinking about places. The only concern I would have is that the course, according to the rules as written, would need to be moved out another 125' out. Don't know if that would be too close to the road and other obstacles down the backstretch on the west side. I'm guessing that it would not be a problem though. I won't be there this weekend, have another obligation but I will try to get ahold of Terry down the road and see what he thinks. Do you think there are any of your crew that would be interested?

That extra 125" is based on calculations, a RealFlight course and simulations of similar planes, and needs real testing.

It may not need to be the full 125" extra feet.

Conforming planes have been flown, but not actually on the course.

There are many Giant Scale ARF kits that can be used "AS IS" ... Hobbico and Horizon both have planes that will work. But The World Models planes are just over 80" and may be the best choice, and less costly.

We are not going to try to do electrics in this class ... No good way to spec them out and batteries for a race would cost a lot of money.... Maybe down the line sometime

We have kinda hijacked this thread, maybe start another one on it's own...
Continued here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/scal...l#post12424121

Bert,

I kind of brought it back to a degree with the mention that the 3 Giant Scale Warbirds by The World Models will make excellent airframes for Warbird80.com ... If you don't mind doing a little more work, you can get into this game at a reasonable cost with their planes. Fai Chan will be happy to know that the class may get going.

In fact, I can probably get some planes at a discount or with free shipping for people that want to race some big planes.

I will get the RealFlight Add-On's ready for the public so that people can try it on a sim to see what a blast they are going to have. All you need is RealFlight 6.5 or higher.

Don Stegall
mobile/text 704-968-2881

I have a plane and engine combo ready to put together, (yellow WM Mustang 80"), unfortunately due to a circumstance beyond my control at the moment my flying and racing days are on hold. I enjoy running and managing the races though so at least that keeps me in the loop.

I already knew of this plane. It is a laser cut balsa and ply fuselage with a sheeted foam core wing. It is covered in MonoKote. Jim Allen has been flying it and is continuing to refine it. It looks like a serious little monster.

It uses the cowl from this plane Great Planes P-51 Mustang .46-.55 GP/EP ARF 52" .. see the cowl at Great Planes Cowl P-51 Mustang Sport Fighter .46/EP ARF

Don't know if it will be mass produced or offered as a kit. If
you are interested, email him at jamesea1 @ earthlink.net

Hit me up on the smaller 400 stuff. I've got a small Tsunami at 410 and a Czech mate at 405 that myself and a few other racers have been working on and some of the other designs could be reduced if there is an interest for it?

Thanks your sharing! I also watched your video in Youtube about Spitfire and P51, and thanks your hard work for share knowledge to our new comers for racing.