Winter Racer Build and Recovering Thread.
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Well, already getting ready for the 2010 season:
In this thread I plan to accomplish two things:
First I will be building a new racer for the new season. Once that is built and in the air, then comes part II. That will be the stripping and recovering of my VQ Macchi racer. I love the thing as a racer, but the covering is getting really bad so it is getting a new skin, plus the vertical stab needs some reinforceemnt. I figured "Hey, why not kill two birds with one stone."
So here we go. If anyone else has some winter warbird racing projects, get them posted on here too!
Here is my build project. The 60 size VQ FW-190. I got it on Hobby People's Black Friday sale for 139.00. Such a good price I should have got two!
In this thread I plan to accomplish two things:
First I will be building a new racer for the new season. Once that is built and in the air, then comes part II. That will be the stripping and recovering of my VQ Macchi racer. I love the thing as a racer, but the covering is getting really bad so it is getting a new skin, plus the vertical stab needs some reinforceemnt. I figured "Hey, why not kill two birds with one stone."
So here we go. If anyone else has some winter warbird racing projects, get them posted on here too!
Here is my build project. The 60 size VQ FW-190. I got it on Hobby People's Black Friday sale for 139.00. Such a good price I should have got two!
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My project is similar.
I got the Kyosho 40 size. Plane loks awesome and got here on RCU for a bargain.
It will house a YS110.
I have two WM Dago Reds. One has a OS60 w/pipe that will be updated with a YS120 and one of Atteberys SS exhaust headers.
The other has a YS110 in it and will enjoy the shelev for a few months.
I could race all 3 of these in the Gold, but will keep one for a silver sleeper.
I will glass some sections and pin the firewall and see what comes of these racers. The Dagos will become Stilettos (as best I can) with a few mods.
I got the Kyosho 40 size. Plane loks awesome and got here on RCU for a bargain.
It will house a YS110.
I have two WM Dago Reds. One has a OS60 w/pipe that will be updated with a YS120 and one of Atteberys SS exhaust headers.
The other has a YS110 in it and will enjoy the shelev for a few months.
I could race all 3 of these in the Gold, but will keep one for a silver sleeper.
I will glass some sections and pin the firewall and see what comes of these racers. The Dagos will become Stilettos (as best I can) with a few mods.
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Ken,
It will qualify for the SUPRA special class (If it gets passed for 2010). But I dont think it will qualify for RCPRO or SAMS type. These must be warbirds, not F1 type.
Yes I am planning on being in SG next week end. I hope you dont plan on messing up my year end title?
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You has some really fast times in MSQT last race.
It will qualify for the SUPRA special class (If it gets passed for 2010). But I dont think it will qualify for RCPRO or SAMS type. These must be warbirds, not F1 type.
Yes I am planning on being in SG next week end. I hope you dont plan on messing up my year end title?
.You has some really fast times in MSQT last race.
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RCPRO Rules say:
<h3>Model Aircraft Requirements:</h3>
The only models qualified to be entered in a RCPRO Warbird eventmust be scale models replicating heavier than air, fixed wing, pistonengine powered, man carrying, military aircraft that were in productionafter January 1, 1937,<u> or</u> scale models of non-military aircraft that have raced inthe unlimited category of the Reno or Mojave Air Races or in anunlimited air race affiliated with the Unlimited Air RacingAssociation. To "have raced" means that the aircraft must have crossedthe starting line while participating in an official heat. Civilianmarkings, paint schemes, & modifications to military aircraft areallowed. Civilian aircraft that were not designed for, but can bedocumented and were used by the military, will be allowed.</p>I believe Nemesis was a Formula One aircraft in real life.
<h3>Model Aircraft Requirements:</h3>
The only models qualified to be entered in a RCPRO Warbird eventmust be scale models replicating heavier than air, fixed wing, pistonengine powered, man carrying, military aircraft that were in productionafter January 1, 1937,<u> or</u> scale models of non-military aircraft that have raced inthe unlimited category of the Reno or Mojave Air Races or in anunlimited air race affiliated with the Unlimited Air RacingAssociation. To "have raced" means that the aircraft must have crossedthe starting line while participating in an official heat. Civilianmarkings, paint schemes, & modifications to military aircraft areallowed. Civilian aircraft that were not designed for, but can bedocumented and were used by the military, will be allowed.</p>I believe Nemesis was a Formula One aircraft in real life.
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Just watch out if you guys plan on building P-51s and invite TommyGun out to to any of your races. He really despises them-thar P-51s!
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Here is an update with pics to help KEEP THE THREAD ON TOPIC.
Wing glued and went together fine, just needed to sand the spar a little to get it to fit without being too snug. Picked up some stuff from the LHS in Ukiah, but it is pretty skimpy. Looks like I will have to be ordering some stuff if I want it anytime soon.
Wing glued and went together fine, just needed to sand the spar a little to get it to fit without being too snug. Picked up some stuff from the LHS in Ukiah, but it is pretty skimpy. Looks like I will have to be ordering some stuff if I want it anytime soon.
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Well, spent a couple hours getting the flap system all setup and once once I put it together I found out the double-bellcrank design has more slop than a Manwich. What a complete waste of time. They have one servo running both flaps: The theory seems good, but the application sucks. An easy fix is just to run seperate servos for each one and do direct pushrods instead of a bellcrank. It already has the servo doors for gettting inside the wing so this is a super-easy mod. For those that plan on getting one of these birds with flaps, save yourself some time and ditch the system they have in the plans, it just plain (no punn intended) sucks! [:'(]
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You're setting up the flaps? It is a racer, right? Glue those puppies in place and move on.
You're setting up the flaps? It is a racer, right? Glue those puppies in place and move on.

Aren't flaps designed to slow a plane down?

I have the VQ FW-190 46 size. It is a bit draggy but flies well. It has a piped YS 60 and is just fast enough for Bronze. Hopefully the 60 size is more streamlined.
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Flaps actually can help these planes turn. A small amount of down(1/8"-3/16") mixed with the elev actualy aids the plane turn tighter. It slows it up so it can make a smaller radius and get back to level quicker.
It would certainly help on landing.
Just dont know if it is worth the trouble for these lil warbirds, as they seem to slow up nicely any way (compared to the giants)
I often wondered why no one was running flaps, (who by scale rules could legally do it) like the T6's etc.
I think many of you would be greatly surprised at the tighter turning these would yield when set up properly with flaps.
I like outside of the box thinking- let us know how it works.
It would certainly help on landing.
Just dont know if it is worth the trouble for these lil warbirds, as they seem to slow up nicely any way (compared to the giants)
I often wondered why no one was running flaps, (who by scale rules could legally do it) like the T6's etc.
I think many of you would be greatly surprised at the tighter turning these would yield when set up properly with flaps.
I like outside of the box thinking- let us know how it works.
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In most cases, my planes will turn sharper than necessary. I usually have to tone it down a little to keep from losing too much speed in the turn. I know that may not be true for all models. I'm sure flaps could help on landing though.
Blessings, Terry
Blessings, Terry
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Well, I might be working on something, or maybe not. If I was, then I couldn't tell anybody. Guess we shall wait and see what I bring to the races!
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Well, spent a couple hours getting the flap system all setup and once once I put it together I found out the double-bellcrank design has more slop than a Manwich. What a complete waste of time. They have one servo running both flaps: The theory seems good, but the application sucks. An easy fix is just to run seperate servos for each one and do direct pushrods instead of a bellcrank. It already has the servo doors for gettting inside the wing so this is a super-easy mod. For those that plan on getting one of these birds with flaps, save yourself some time and ditch the system they have in the plans, it just plain (no punn intended) sucks! [:'(]
Well, spent a couple hours getting the flap system all setup and once once I put it together I found out the double-bellcrank design has more slop than a Manwich. What a complete waste of time. They have one servo running both flaps: The theory seems good, but the application sucks. An easy fix is just to run seperate servos for each one and do direct pushrods instead of a bellcrank. It already has the servo doors for gettting inside the wing so this is a super-easy mod. For those that plan on getting one of these birds with flaps, save yourself some time and ditch the system they have in the plans, it just plain (no punn intended) sucks! [:'(]
I give you a thumbs up on the flaps as well.... unless you're really trying to get top dawg speed set it up for smooth landings.
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Well, I might be working on something, or maybe not. If I was, then I couldn't tell anybody. Guess we shall wait and see what I bring to the races!
Well, I might be working on something, or maybe not. If I was, then I couldn't tell anybody. Guess we shall wait and see what I bring to the races!
From the looks of the picture your trying to get a table to fly. What are you thinking? Is it because so much of your race day has your plane on the repair bench that you thought that you would build the bench into the plane? Now that is some out of the box thinking. I now have a new hero....... all hail the Leadfoot.
By the way, in case it hasn't been said, congratulations in your runner up finish for your first year racing in bronze. You have come a long way grasshopper.
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Haha, that's funny Skids! Kim always told me that I can fly the box it came in, so now I'm gonna try flying the table!
Thank you for the congrats! Same to you with 1st in gold. I learned to fly with the best pilots I have ever seen!
Thank you for the congrats! Same to you with 1st in gold. I learned to fly with the best pilots I have ever seen!
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Since it is a bronzer I will be doing the flaps, plus it is a good plane just to play around with. No work on it this week, school has all my time.
I have to say Casey that I am a bit perplexed with the tail, Corsair....Sea Fury.....those are my two guesses.
Will get some work done on the 190 this weekend. Stay tuned.
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I have to say Casey that I am a bit perplexed with the tail, Corsair....Sea Fury.....those are my two guesses.
Will get some work done on the 190 this weekend. Stay tuned.
Jake
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Hey Jake, I would say that if I were building a new secret plane (which I'm not sure I am), I would say you are on the right track!
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Cool can't wait to see it come together.
Some progress on mine. I have been busy this week so not much time on the plane.
First off, after joining the wing I fiberglassed the tongue that joins to the fuse. I remember others saying that the tongue on previous VQ kits would start to break apart after some wear so I do this to all the VQ kits with fiberglass and thin CA. Takes about 2 minutes and increases the strength of the tongue. A cheap man's fiberglassing.
Got the horizontal stab glued. It lined up pretty nice and did not need to sand to get it to fit. Also went in straight without needing to shim it to zero it out. Very pleased about that.
Went ahead and cut out the holes for the remote glow igniter. I have this on both my Macchi and Hurricane and love these things. Also made the hole for the battery charge port. Also am fitting a 16oz Dubro fuel tank. Had to shave the inside of one of the front bulkhead to get it in, but no problems. Now I just fireproof the inside of the fuse with thinned up Epoxy. Chance Harris taught me that one and really adds to the strength of the plane. Will report back when more is done.
Jake
Some progress on mine. I have been busy this week so not much time on the plane.
First off, after joining the wing I fiberglassed the tongue that joins to the fuse. I remember others saying that the tongue on previous VQ kits would start to break apart after some wear so I do this to all the VQ kits with fiberglass and thin CA. Takes about 2 minutes and increases the strength of the tongue. A cheap man's fiberglassing.
Got the horizontal stab glued. It lined up pretty nice and did not need to sand to get it to fit. Also went in straight without needing to shim it to zero it out. Very pleased about that.
Went ahead and cut out the holes for the remote glow igniter. I have this on both my Macchi and Hurricane and love these things. Also made the hole for the battery charge port. Also am fitting a 16oz Dubro fuel tank. Had to shave the inside of one of the front bulkhead to get it in, but no problems. Now I just fireproof the inside of the fuse with thinned up Epoxy. Chance Harris taught me that one and really adds to the strength of the plane. Will report back when more is done.
Jake
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Got a little time in this week to get some stuff done. May not look like much, but it is a big chunk for me.
I got all the control surfaces glued in, so we are in business there. Also got the horns screwed in. Still need to put horns on the flaps.
Also got the motor mount drilled and screwed in. The plane came with this pretty neat jig system for finding center and drilling your holes for your blind nuts. Worked like a gem. Right now I am fuelproofing/strengthening the firewall on this thing. If you ever had a VQ kit in the past you know you need the strengthen the firewall a tad on these. Usually just a coat off epoxy does the trick. You can see the gleen in the pic.
The next two weeks I have off from school so I should be able to finish this puppy, no problem. This plane will take a Y.S. .91, but for right now it will have just a regular O.S. .91 so I can play with it until I get the Y.S. tuned up. A few pics included.
I got all the control surfaces glued in, so we are in business there. Also got the horns screwed in. Still need to put horns on the flaps.
Also got the motor mount drilled and screwed in. The plane came with this pretty neat jig system for finding center and drilling your holes for your blind nuts. Worked like a gem. Right now I am fuelproofing/strengthening the firewall on this thing. If you ever had a VQ kit in the past you know you need the strengthen the firewall a tad on these. Usually just a coat off epoxy does the trick. You can see the gleen in the pic.
The next two weeks I have off from school so I should be able to finish this puppy, no problem. This plane will take a Y.S. .91, but for right now it will have just a regular O.S. .91 so I can play with it until I get the Y.S. tuned up. A few pics included.
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Well, last couple of days I got most of the work done on it. Still need to take care of the flaps and landing gear. Will order some MG81 servos for the flaps. Most of the big major stuff is done.
As I was putting the plane together, I came to the realization that I could not put the OS .91 in there in place of the YS since the throttle linkages and needle valves are opposite each other. I tried to see if I could get my old other YS .91 to fire up, but that was a lost cause. I got to send that motor back to YS. Does not look like I am getting this up in the air until 2010. Oh well. A few pics to hold you over. Enjoy.
As I was putting the plane together, I came to the realization that I could not put the OS .91 in there in place of the YS since the throttle linkages and needle valves are opposite each other. I tried to see if I could get my old other YS .91 to fire up, but that was a lost cause. I got to send that motor back to YS. Does not look like I am getting this up in the air until 2010. Oh well. A few pics to hold you over. Enjoy.
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Casey that looks great. You need to give some details on that thing.
Sent my YS .91 to part and service and will see if they can work a miracle on it. I am not sure about this one. Just waiting on some flap servos and landing gear and we should be ready to go.
Started uncovering the Macchi. There is some spots where some fuel got onto the wood so I am going to try and get the fuel out of it. I heard of some few things to remedy this and will give it a try. Will post pics soon.
Sent my YS .91 to part and service and will see if they can work a miracle on it. I am not sure about this one. Just waiting on some flap servos and landing gear and we should be ready to go.
Started uncovering the Macchi. There is some spots where some fuel got onto the wood so I am going to try and get the fuel out of it. I heard of some few things to remedy this and will give it a try. Will post pics soon.


