hi everyone i am a noob in boating but want to join the fun with you guys i've been building rc cars for quite sometime now. i want to build a rigger so was wondering if the renegade rigger is a good choice for me? i have plenty of ponds around here in socal and also i have the bay at my disposal. thanx in advance guys

I don't have one yet but from what I've heard their great first riggers. Riggers are a little harder than a V or a cat though. Most people reccomend cats or v's for a beginner. Hydros and riggers are a little more technicle as far as getting them set up right. That doesn't mean I wouldn't try one. I started with a mini-v and whent all out with it. I did a flex drive conversion and brushless. Now I got a Supervee 27 for christmas but since I can't run it till spring I'm going all out on getting it set-up. I think I'm going to either put the brushless system from the mini in a Micro Mogli, rigger or hydro because it's way to much power for the mini-v. I was thinking about the renegade but I think the motor would be a little heavy, and I also heard they are pretty much pushing the limits with the reccomended set-up which is a small outrunner and like a 25 amp esc or something? For the price I'll have one soon anyway. I'm impressed with the vids I've seen of them. They are very quick for a 12" boat or however long they are. $90. kit w/motor, $70. hardware kit, $20 micro servo, $80+ un less you allready have a spare radio around. Or in my case $40 for a RX for my MX-3 TX. This is the first time I actually added the stuff up and that doesn't include the FG or epoxy I'de whant to coat it with for added strength. You could buy a new Supervee or BlackJack for that price? I'de go with one of those for my first boat. Oh, yeah thats right I did. You can't beat a SV for the bang for the buck factor.

the renegade is an awesome little boat. if you read through the instructions before you start to build it & highlight all the important points it is very easy to build & setup. a friend & I both have one & have a ball with them, they stick to the water like on rails & are very quick for their size. i got all the running gear off ebay dirt cheap too.

For a first rigger they are awesome. Some points to consider are

Pro
Really fast for their size
Handle like they are on rails
Always draws a crowd
Quiet
Easy to build

Cons
They need FLAT water, even small ripples upset it
With a metal prop the motor does get very hot and cannot run a full battery without some cooling time
For its size they are expensive by the time you add hardware, batteries, radio gear etc

So its up to you but I really enjoy mine the only bad thing is I don't get to use it enough.

cool thanx guys anyone know how i should set this thing up as far as elctronics and motor goes?

the kit comes with the motor.

Use a small micro servo for steering. Use a 25 amp ESC. I got mine really cheap off ebay brand new, works good.
Use a 3 cell lipo with at least 18C.

Can you order a kit w/o motor since the motor they give you runs so hot? Are they cooled, I'm guessing they aren't? Even though they are an outrunner you could make a brass cooling coil couldn't you?

The original RR's run an approx 3000kv outrunner motor which was picked by Steve to run in his prototype. I am pretty sure you can order with or without the motor, he does also or used to sell a type of cooling device that he developed with the littlescreamers guys, it is basically a block of ally that has a couple of ports drilled in and some nipples on each end to attach the hoses. Goes between the motor and the mount. Obviously outrunners cannot be cooled using the conventional cooling cans, the bit that usually gets really hot is the stator which is located on the inside hub of the motor and you want to keep that reasonably cool, I have had success using a brass motor mount with a tube soldered on it and run water through that. Same diff, just not as fancy.

You can order the kit without the motor. You cant cool the motor. Being an outrunner makes this impossible. They only run hot if you run an agressive prop. With the standard prop that comes with the hardware kit you can run all day. I use a modded metal prop. This gives extra speed at the expence of run time.

Where do I get one?

I have two of them. They are real easy to build and very fast for there size. I say go for it. Just watch the temp my first one got hot and started to melt the depron. The hardest part of the build was the sponsons making the semetrical.

Where do I get one of these boats?

http://www.bizingo.com/m/Renegade%20...ade-rigger.asp

Google is pretty good

Take your time making everything square and the sponsons matching and you'll have a winner.

Has any one tried the octure 2132 prop yet. The more I research the more I question the x642 which is a low to moderate lift prop. We need a high lift prop like the 2132 that is designed for riggers that way you don't have to run the prop so deep and at such a huge angle. Not to mention it is already de tongued (that will increase speed greatly if setup correct) and the pitch is 2.1 where the x642 only has a pitch of 1.6. More pitch = more speed

Hello everyone , i am currently making water cooled motor mount for the lil beasts after numerous prototypes i finally came up with a winner i think i am currently keeping the motor to a constant 92'f after about 15 laps i am not mass producing them , but i can make a cuple more so far 2 of my buddies and i are getting nice run time and enjoying the boat without thinkin its over heating . by the way i think they are the Best riggers to start out with and we are still trying to get the lil buggers to 55+ mph lol

HEHE i forgot to add i also made a water cooling block for the ebay special esc's everyones buying lol , i own several myself works like a charm..

can you post a pic?