CadillacDTS2001

Not being a gasser my self i think this would be a great starting boat for most people
The only ones really are the pro boats or the WHH with a bit more money
I like the design as well as performance.
I also think its great when the product designer talks to the future consumers about the product. It gives more awareness and a better appreciation for the product.
Mike. I think you have a done a great job.

Grimracer

Taylor,

Dude.. thanks a bunch..... that means TON to me...

ROCK ON RC BOATERS

Grimracer

Doubledog

My Feedback: (48)

Grim, nothing against you personally but its out in the open for all to speak on.

It looks like another headache we'll hear endless sad stories about. Typical of these boats. They lure the new boater in with eye candy (as always) and then produce dissapointing speeds, stuff falls apart, etc. We've heard the story. I feel its just another way to gouge into the pockets of these unsuspecting people. Its a typical Chinese peice of junk thats being peddled on them. Should've just used one of the knock-off wanna' be rear exhuast Zens instead. Would've looked cooler.

I say spend an extra $300 and get a boat that will last a few years vs a few hours.

Jamie

Ps,
Tell the customer support department to hire extra folks.

****EDIT****
PPs,
PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. Serriously, I wish the best & voiced my opinion only because the song has been played so many times in the past.

Grimracer

Double,

First and foremost thanks for your input. Im not here to spend hours typing lame excuse, or trying to justify the product we will let the product do that for us..

RTRs in general are not for everybody. Some people can never be satisfied regardless of the amount of dependability you build into a product. Like I stated before everything’s a trade off. Even dependability comes with a trade off.…

Maybe just maybe we can (meaning the rtr boat industry) not meet what you feel makes a good product allowing for the tradeoffs.. Its not a bad thing its who make you who you are.. that’s cool.. its good to see we have builders and thinkers in our hobby.


ROCK ON DUDES

Grimracer

P.S. Just for grins.. Read your signature and then re-read your post..

Russ Williamson

Wow Doubbledog; sounds like you are having a bad day, but don't take it personally

The last thing we want to do is lure, deceive and then produce junk. This goes against every belief we have. We are here to design and develop product for newcomers and the experinced to enjoy this great hobby, that is what it is all about.

I still remember the very first R/C product I was given, what a day it was and I base my product development on providing such a day for others that without doubt, changed my life.

Have fun Doubledog and have a great day!

Russ

mopartybob

ANY hobbyist (or human) can appreciate a companys endeavor to produce a quality product that WE ALL CAN AFFORD,and knowing also that WE ARE NEVER SATISFIED with any off the shelf product only expands the learning curve,I think the engine being the only unknown factor in this new product will prove itself,or why would AQ risk their rep. on it?? Overall,It looks like a WINNER to me, way to go guys.......bring it out......

Ron Olson

My Feedback: (1)

I'm happy to have both Russ and Mike in here, at least you know that you have someone from the manufacturer in here to listen to you. If any other manufacturers would like to come in and listen to the members, they've always been more than welcome with the exception of one but I won't get into that can of worms.

BB Modss

On the subject of being Happy, Im just glad i get to wake up every day and play with my toy's, Ohh and Grim I think i still owe you a beer??

Doubledog

My Feedback: (48)

Mike, Russ & others here.

Mike, I try to understand everything and learn. Especially from such respected figures in the hobby as yourself. (after re-reading my signature).

Its not my nature to be so straight forward. However, these type of RTR boats make my defenses go sky high. Dont' blame me, blame the product. I hope you lurk and see the problems others are having with so called quality RTR hulls. It sad to listen to see. In the back of my mind, I want to say "you should've spent the extra cheddar and bought a good boat, but you was lured in by looks and catchy advertising". We can't always do that as we're here to help and make new friends.

On this particular boat it looks like some things were improved on, but not totally up to par of what they could be. Time will tell.

Its good to have this avenue to communicate with you.
Jamie

hpiguy

Well I got suckered into a V24 right when they came out.

It's nice to see that Aquacraft has NEVER made one attempt to improve any of the bad components on the V24, not ONE. They left all of us hanging wqith poor headers, poor glass work and shoddy stripped hardware and overheating engines with poor cooling.

Now they chuck it all, say screw off to those that blew $700 on the V24 and want us to buy ANOTHER boat for $700.

No thanks. You won't get any more money from me.

I WAS hoping that this new steel header and new cooling head I see would fit my V24 so that I could make some small improvements to it, but I guess not, I'm told to go bite it there too. Can't even make improvements with new parts now.

Thanks guys, really, thanks. Been in R/C for 25 years, will never spend another dime on Aquacraft products and I always inform others of this too. You have lost many many customers over the V24 debacle.

BTW will this new 28 even bolt into the V24 or will you offer us current V24 a deep discount on at least paying for this 28 to fit it into our V24s so we can experience the new engine with better cooling head and a header that does not crack after five runs?

hpiguy

I seriously always hold out hope something will be done to make right the issues on the V24. Or at least give me the option to BUY parts that will fix it as they get improved.

I really had hope that this new cooling head and header would be a good fit for my V24 and I coudl have fun with it again andnot worry about components breaking so often or overheating.

I'm totally serious when I say I feel let down. I have been spending money at Tower Hobbies for 20+ years and to have them, which is all owned by the same folks that own Aquacraft sell me a product with known defects and never once do anything to make it right with me after the tens of thousands that I've spent, I feel like a good friend let me down. It was $700, not $20 or $5. $700, all for almost nothing.

I was hoping for more from both companies.

I leave with my shoulders down, disappointed in a good friend that made promises to me of quality and never delivered. Then slapped me in the face by offering an improved product without ever trying to make things right with me on the first one.

You don't "practice" on getting things right with others folks money. You just don't. It's not right.

Grimracer

HPI,

Did you know I was born and grew up not all that far from Mosinee. True! I have relatives in Mosinee as well.. They own a massive dairy farm and there milking parlor is a marry go round of sorts.. Its cool. Cow gets on.. goes around and cow gets off.. the darn thing just keeps going around with cows on it.. kind of funny to tell you the truth.

O well so much for my love of Wisconsin.. Truly the best state in the US..

GO POINT BEER!…not really, it is good headache beer however..

Sorry you had a bad deal with the V24. I have to tell you I did all I could to get that header updated. When we first got word of this was before I started at AquaCraft. After I got here we started looking into it and we got a clear understanding of the problem. We had new headers made (still alum) and tested them.. They were much better and so they became the header for both the production boat and replacement part.

I suspect you have had that header too? Let me know if you know this to be true.

Sorry I do not know more about the V24.. I have set a few up.. drove the heck out of them… but past that point I was not that intimate with the design of the boat.. not a good answer but never the less the truth.. sorry about that..

When we set out to design a new gas boat we set up a very stringent set of requirements. One, it had to have a STANLESS STEEL HEADER.. and it does… It had to be tough with good glass work and seam strength.. it has that.. It had to LOOK LIKE A SUPER BOAT.. does it ever.. It had to be fast, cool well, be VERY QUIET (see me yelling over the sound the V-24 one) kidding.. and it is whisper quiet for a large gasser. There is a lot more but you get the idea.. It also needed to be compatible with the Zen engine.. at least the best we could.. the motor mount is a lot like a Zen as well as the exhaust bolt pattern.

I can understand you being brand upset.. heck I will never buy a FORD.. hehehe.. Sad but true.. problem is you just can not get a new AMC anymore.. lol

Also.. we really do want you having fun with whatever and whomever’s boat you decide to buy..

Keep the faith

Now.. get into the woods.. you have a bow that needs sighting..

Grim

martno1fan

Basicly HPI hes saying we got your money now your on your own and doing this in the process ,I agree 100% before they bring out new products they should make good all yes all of there faulty gear and either issue replacements or a refund on them,now that would be fair.

goldendesign04

Every company that designs a product then refines it for the mass market will have its ups an downs an a good quality (AQUACRAFT IMO) company will continue to adjust an redesign all the quirks out of their products till they satisfy the majority (cant please all of us picky *****es). You cant just write off a company for one bad egg. Nowthat beign said I have never owned a v24 nor even see one run but I do have a Supervee27 an have been throughly delighted with the excitement right out of the box easy to reach customer service an a prompt knowlegable venue (TOWERHOBBIES) to purchase replacement bits. I dont think its just me so I will be so bold to say WE ALL have been burned by manufacters in the past for me it was mostly in the eighties an ninties, anyone purchase the 80s Chevy Nova you know the one that was a Toyota joint venture? Now I dont know if some of you owned or even had a chance to drive that rattling death trap but I bought two one to drive an the other to replace the parts that darn fell off while driving! Or harley davidsons chinese/japanese days good what ugly bikes that farted more rice than smoked tires. But eventually they corrected through a concentrated act of will by those who felt their company was better than that an I still own a Chevy an have three harleys. I guess what Im saying is if your skeptical, fine but dont close the book just yet Im pretty sure Grim an Russ have plenty more boats coming in the future that would surprise even the most adamant nay sayer.

Russ, Grim Keep up the good work by keeping me smiling
-Wayne

mopartybob

If I r'member correctly,it was posted in the v24 thread about this issue with the header and the subsequent attempts to correct it by offering the new design at a substantial reduced cost for those who could not produce proof of purchase,and free for those that could,???(warranty)...nonetheless,I believe in this company inasmuch that they DO stand behind there products and APPLAUD there efforts to resolve any issues by making themselves available to us here in this forum....

Justaddwata

My Feedback: (3)

I think something has to be said for a company who will actually respond to complaints.

For better or worse - they are here for you

hpiguy

So will this new cooling head fit the 24?

Will you make an small adapter to fit the new header on the 24 so that we don't have to deal with the bad design of the 24 header? All it would take is a metal plate drilled and tapped accordingly, just two sets of holes. One set of holes to mount the plate to the 24 engine and then another set of holes to mount the 28 header to the 24 engine, but I do not have access to a machine shop to make the mod.

I will just say that if they had no problems ignoring issues with the V24 what makes you think they will pay attention when the Rio 51 has quality issues?

brc51

well ive owned two of the Toyota/Novas and 8 escorts in my years all bad. Ive even had two proboats outta the box with serious problems and even under warranty they still cost me. i do not think any manufacturer can please anyone. Yes there was problems with the v24 but most of us overcame the problems and continue to run them as well of other brands who had simular problems. If your a beginer you have to have a starting point and thats where rtr comes in play as a starting point. And if you can build your own boat with better components and finish and fit thats great,but not everyone can.A manufacturer would be crazy if he wasnt in business to make money and crazier if they cant stand behind their product because then they would lack sales.hense no profit. And when you build your own you end up sinking alot of money not counting hours into it so its a trade off any way you go,especially when you try to sell the one you built and only end up with a fraction of what you have in it.But its nice to see a company on the forums that takes an interest enough to listen.

Grimracer

HPI..

The Fuji 28 cooling head will not fit the Fuji 24.. the header from the Fuji 28 will not fit the FUji 24. Sorry but they are two differnt engines. We developed a new engien with more power for the Rio 51

Also.. we are not in the custom parts making busness.

You have stated that you would not buy anymore Aquacrft products.. sorry for that...

We do Listen to our customers... even X customers.. Thank you for your input.

ROCK ON RACERS

GO RIO 51

Grim

hpiguy

I'm sorry I asked. Just thought maybe Aquacraft gave a crap about it's past customers and wanted to maybe help fix the piece of junk they threw on the market and bilked customers with while they LEARNED on our $700 per crack.

Take heed folks. They love you when you tell them they are great, but ask them to fix ongoing issues with faulty products and you are now asking too much.

I was not asking for a "custom" part. I was asking for a part to make a faulty product work. Jeez, how silly of me. I'm such a bad guy.

This is the service you will get when your Rio 51 has issues. And trust me, it will. You will be treated as a nuisance to their profit line.

They have dropped the V24 though happily still sell it on Tower until the Rio 51 comes out, then it's bye bye V24, tough luck zall you folks that got bilked and onto the Rio 51.

goldendesign04

Im just going to make an observation, I could be wrong here hpiguy but it shows in your profile your favorite boat is the V24 [X(] is that your only boat?
An your complaint about them just worried about your money up front then snubbing you whence you need a repair has not been my exp. I had to contact them after I bought my supervee27 about the flex shaft coupler not holding the shaft to the motor, I bought this boat second hand from a friend mind you, low an behold I recieved one in the mail shortly after returning the said defective piece. An I also believe its been stated previously they did quite a few things to satisfy the many other owners that were having similiar problems. Just seems to me you didnt actually take advantage of their offer an still a little bit bitter, come on its a hobby lighten up at least aquacraft boats have yet to give our young children GHB overdoses like some other non-hobby companies are doing
In short suck it up an let them promote their "New Design"

-Wayne

hpiguy

I haven't updated my profile in at least a year or two. It was my favorite the day I made that profile. I don't live in Mosinee now either. Does that invalidate my argument?

As for the V24, I asked for things to support a model they still make and still have issues with and was pretty much told to stick it and move on. All they'd have to do is make some improvements to the existing model that they ARE STILL SELLING and I'd buy the new parts and use them. But no, they won't. They just don't care and that's the gist of what I'm trying to get across.

Associated. Losi, Traxxas, Kyosho, Tamiya all make spare parts and fixes for models for years after they stop selling the specific kits brand new. If they have an issue with quality they tackled it until it was right and took care of the current customers by mailing the new parts all free of charge or offering huge discounts on new upgraded parts. Why shouldn't I expect the same from Aquacraft?

We'll see if you are so glum when it is YOU that's out money and you get told to sit on your thumb.

hpiguy

Um, actually I DID get some headers replaced, they failed to even come close to fixing the issues. THAT was the only thing they offered to fix and it took almost a year to do it, to even get them to acknowledge it.

martno1fan

What i dont get is this you guys defending aquacraft by saying they stand behind the products they sell? this seems incorrect? they havent fixed the problems with the v24 nor do they intend to? by all accounts how in the world is that standing behind the product?.I can understand how a guy who spent $700 on a boat and has had bad or faulty parts to deal with without any help from the dealer or should i say manufacturer gets a bit annoyed.if anyone buys the new boat after all the problems associated with the last one then more fool them i say.I certainly wouldnt buy one,if they can do it once they can do it again?.if they showed any remorse for letting people down and made good the losses of those people who spent thousands on the v24 then maybe you can say they stand behind the products they sell but untill that day id say you are all wrong,they spent thousands on advertising the v24 and told people it was this and that and sold lots of them on the back of that advertising ,it seems the boat wasnt as good as they told people .I think the least they can do is make sure all the v24 buyers get a product that works propperly is that too much to ask for $700 i dont think so but thats just my opinion.By the way just becauase theres a new management or owner of a buisness doesnt mean they can brush things under the carpet and start afresh in my book,you should make good your promises its that simple.

Grimracer

Marathon county.. hea man... stop in and say Hi to Warren (the dad) for me at Popes Hobbyland.. Warrens a good dude.

Grim