os 61sf
08-08-2008, 01:40 AM
#5
Thread Starter
RE: os 61sf
looks good.... i plan on running mine as well, i finally got around to putting the finishing touches on the bird the SF is going into..... i cut about one inch off the stock length header, hopefully ill get it to sing higher 
ill be using a 12x6 xoar/jfx black prop..
any new numbers, with yur set up?
ill be using a 12x6 xoar/jfx black prop..any new numbers, with yur set up?
08-08-2008, 09:53 AM
#6
Thread Starter
RE: os 61sf
13,300 peak w/ 10% @ sea level with a 12x6 xoar nylon and 1" cut off the header. Does hat sound about right, this is my first tuned pipe setup i have tached
08-08-2008, 10:06 PM
#7
RE: os 61sf
MJ, I ran my SF w/pipe for a short while, but I didn't take any tach readings. I can't really do a lot of running on the patio, so I need to take the engine to my field. I cut my header to 6" which is what Macs recommends for this engine. But, I extended it a bit with a longer Aerotrend blue coupler. I'm using the 10cc Long Stroke quiet pipe #1062. Anyway, it really sounded strong with an APC 12x8 and as I tune the length I'm sure it will get better.
I think you 13,300 sounds good. It will probably go up as you shorten the header. However, I think this engine was intended to be propped around 12,000 or so. I'm setting mine up for a 12x8 or 11x10 (they turn about the same) and I hope to get close to 12,000. I'll be very happy with that, if I get it.
BTW, Graves R/C is selling the #1062 long stroke pipe for $52.99. It's the cheapest I've seen anywhere. I got it in two days; great service, IMO:
http://www.gravesrc.com/MAC_S_MUFFLE..._p/mac1062.htm
Macs lists this pipe for $100.95!
I'll post again when I have some numbers. Maybe by next week. Oh, it's going in my Bridi UFO:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4017336/tm.htm
David
I think you 13,300 sounds good. It will probably go up as you shorten the header. However, I think this engine was intended to be propped around 12,000 or so. I'm setting mine up for a 12x8 or 11x10 (they turn about the same) and I hope to get close to 12,000. I'll be very happy with that, if I get it.
BTW, Graves R/C is selling the #1062 long stroke pipe for $52.99. It's the cheapest I've seen anywhere. I got it in two days; great service, IMO:
http://www.gravesrc.com/MAC_S_MUFFLE..._p/mac1062.htm
Macs lists this pipe for $100.95!
I'll post again when I have some numbers. Maybe by next week. Oh, it's going in my Bridi UFO:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4017336/tm.htm
David
08-09-2008, 02:45 AM
#8
Thread Starter
RE: os 61sf
Hmmm, i think i'll take your advice and run a higher pitch prop, as you know way more about these kinds of things... its just that when ever i hear a tuned ppe i used to hearing them scream.. I know my pipe is a macs, it has a baffle in it... but im not sure its the quiet pipe.... you got a good deal Gravesrc is awesome,,,, i can remember when i was a teen you could get the combo(pipe/header) for about the same price as a pipe is going for now. So you lengthened the header with a longer couple to get less RPM? My SF is in a Miss Norway.... i am going to maiden her today According to the original owner it hasnt flown in over 20 years
According to the original owner it hasnt flown in over 20 years
ORIGINAL: rainedave
MJ, I ran my SF w/pipe for a short while, but I didn't take any tach readings. I can't really do a lot of running on the patio, so I need to take the engine to my field. I cut my header to 6" which is what Macs recommends for this engine. But, I extended it a bit with a longer Aerotrend blue coupler. I'm using the 10cc Long Stroke quiet pipe #1062. Anyway, it really sounded strong with an APC 12x8 and as I tune the length I'm sure it will get better.
I think you 13,300 sounds good. It will probably go up as you shorten the header. However, I think this engine was intended to be propped around 12,000 or so. I'm setting mine up for a 12x8 or 11x10 (they turn about the same) and I hope to get close to 12,000. I'll be very happy with that, if I get it.
BTW, Graves R/C is selling the #1062 long stroke pipe for $52.99. It's the cheapest I've seen anywhere. I got it in two days; great service, IMO:
http://www.gravesrc.com/MAC_S_MUFFLE..._p/mac1062.htm
Macs lists this pipe for $100.95!
I'll post again when I have some numbers. Maybe by next week. Oh, it's going in my Bridi UFO:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4017336/tm.htm
David
MJ, I ran my SF w/pipe for a short while, but I didn't take any tach readings. I can't really do a lot of running on the patio, so I need to take the engine to my field. I cut my header to 6" which is what Macs recommends for this engine. But, I extended it a bit with a longer Aerotrend blue coupler. I'm using the 10cc Long Stroke quiet pipe #1062. Anyway, it really sounded strong with an APC 12x8 and as I tune the length I'm sure it will get better.
I think you 13,300 sounds good. It will probably go up as you shorten the header. However, I think this engine was intended to be propped around 12,000 or so. I'm setting mine up for a 12x8 or 11x10 (they turn about the same) and I hope to get close to 12,000. I'll be very happy with that, if I get it.
BTW, Graves R/C is selling the #1062 long stroke pipe for $52.99. It's the cheapest I've seen anywhere. I got it in two days; great service, IMO:
http://www.gravesrc.com/MAC_S_MUFFLE..._p/mac1062.htm
Macs lists this pipe for $100.95!
I'll post again when I have some numbers. Maybe by next week. Oh, it's going in my Bridi UFO:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4017336/tm.htm
David
08-09-2008, 04:14 PM
#9
RE: os 61sf
Please post your Miss Norway info in the Classic Pattern forum; a lot of folks will be interested to see how it flew.
The only reason I extended the pipe was to make sure I had some leeway to make adjustments. The Macs info might be for maximum rpm and I want to work up to that gradually.
David
The only reason I extended the pipe was to make sure I had some leeway to make adjustments. The Macs info might be for maximum rpm and I want to work up to that gradually.
David
08-12-2008, 03:14 PM
#10
Thread Starter
RE: os 61sf
Ok will do, my maiden flight with her went well. I didnt do any abrupt maneuvers with her but she knife edged nicely, did nice hammerheads,loops, and axial rolls.... i ended up like the sound of the motor best with a 12x6 apc, i tried an 11x9 but the motor didnt seem to like it i didnt have a 12x8 to try out
09-21-2008, 03:20 AM
#12
Senior Member
RE: os 61sf
ORIGINAL: rainedave
I finally tached my SF .61 with a Mac's long stroke quiet pipe.
APC 11x10, Powermaster 5% nitro: 11,630
I cut the header to 6" as the Mac's site suggests. I haven't done any serious tuning yet.
David
I finally tached my SF .61 with a Mac's long stroke quiet pipe.
APC 11x10, Powermaster 5% nitro: 11,630
I cut the header to 6" as the Mac's site suggests. I haven't done any serious tuning yet.
David
...But it's not exactly piped engine material, I am afraid.
MJ's number on the 12x6 Xoar sounds exaggerated, however, at 2.26 HP
Experience with this engine on a length-adjusted pipe, suggest ~1.85 HP to be a typical real-life output.
Without a tuned-pipe (i.e. with the normal, included OS muffler), about 1.25-1.3 HP is the expected output.
09-21-2008, 11:06 AM
#13
RE: os 61sf
Thanks Dar. I have not yet begun tuning the header length. That figure is with the 6" starting point and an addition 1/2" gap from the coupler. If I reach 12,000rpm I will be more than satisfied. Running 15% nitro instead of 5% will be good for a couple of hundred, too.
David
David
11-08-2008, 11:51 PM
#16
Senior Member
My Feedback: (102)
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Transylvania,
LA
Posts: 609
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: os 61sf
OS 61SF, well used, stock muffler, Omega 10%...
12~8 wood Zinger = 10,000
11~10 wood Zinger = 10,000
13~6 APC = 11,000
13~8 APC = 10,000
More later.
Terry in LP
edited for: Later results. Same engine/fuel but all APC props.
12~7 = 11,500
11~10 = 10,600
13~9 = 9100 (this is a heavy prop)
14~5N = 11,200
Gotta get my flightbox battery installed so I can use a starter instead of a chicken stick.
12~8 wood Zinger = 10,000
11~10 wood Zinger = 10,000
13~6 APC = 11,000
13~8 APC = 10,000
More later.
Terry in LP
edited for: Later results. Same engine/fuel but all APC props.
12~7 = 11,500
11~10 = 10,600
13~9 = 9100 (this is a heavy prop)
14~5N = 11,200
Gotta get my flightbox battery installed so I can use a starter instead of a chicken stick.
11-12-2008, 12:32 PM
#17
Thread Starter
RE: os 61sf
[/quote]
This number, Dave, is a respectable 1.42 HP.
...But it's not exactly piped engine material, I am afraid.
MJ's number on the 12x6 Xoar sounds exaggerated, however, at 2.26 HP
[/color]
[/quote]
Sorry im replying so late but thats the number my globee tach gave me, perhaps its maybe off cuz i was taching it in the shade, but i doubt it
11-14-2008, 02:37 AM
#19
Thread Starter
RE: os 61sf
ill have to give a higher pitch a try, im just so used to trying to get higher rpms out of my engines, and hearing them scream, especially since its on a pipe
11-14-2008, 08:51 AM
#20
RE: os 61sf
I fully understand. Think of the SF/RF series as OS's attempt to design a 2-stroke that would run more like a powerful (for its day) 4-stroke: quieter running on bigger props at lower rpms. Remember, it wasn't too long after the Hanno was in production that pattern fliers switched to 120 4-strokes. In retrospect, the SF/RF engines represent a transitional time period between the short stroke screamers turning 11x7's to the 120 4-strokes turning high pitched props.
David
David
04-16-2009, 03:16 PM
#21
RE: os 61sf
I ran my SF with its Mac's 10cc long stroke quite pipe again today. This time I surpassed my target rpm of 12,000.
Temp: 67°
Powermaster GMA 5/22
OS #8 plug
APC 11x10
12,128
1.6hp
8.72lbs. static thrust
Calculated prop speed is 99.8mph. This setup is extremely quite. Below 1/2 throttle it's not much louder than a 4-stroke.
David
Temp: 67°
Powermaster GMA 5/22
OS #8 plug
APC 11x10
12,128
1.6hp
8.72lbs. static thrust
Calculated prop speed is 99.8mph. This setup is extremely quite. Below 1/2 throttle it's not much louder than a 4-stroke.
David
04-17-2009, 03:27 PM
#22
RE: os 61sf
I cut another 1/4" off and I think I'll stop there. Length of my header is now 5 3/4" and Mac's web site suggests 6" for this engine.
Temp: 70°
Powermaster GMA 5/22
OS #8 plug
APC 11x10
12,337
1.68hp
9.02lbs. static thrust
This is probably about the maximum power this engine will produce with this prop. Going up to 15% nitro would add a bit, too. Though, nine pounds of thrust is a lot for an 11" prop, and the calculated speed is 101.5mph.
I have an extra backplate with a pressure tap and a pump. If I ever come across an #86 pump carb I'll see if that adds anything, but those carbs are extremely rare unless you buy the whole engine.[
]
David
Temp: 70°
Powermaster GMA 5/22
OS #8 plug
APC 11x10
12,337
1.68hp
9.02lbs. static thrust
This is probably about the maximum power this engine will produce with this prop. Going up to 15% nitro would add a bit, too. Though, nine pounds of thrust is a lot for an 11" prop, and the calculated speed is 101.5mph.
I have an extra backplate with a pressure tap and a pump. If I ever come across an #86 pump carb I'll see if that adds anything, but those carbs are extremely rare unless you buy the whole engine.[
]David
04-17-2009, 05:06 PM
#23
My Feedback: (26)
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Grosse Pointe,
MI
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: os 61sf
Ok, I'll admit it, I think I paid a record price for a carb recently.
Over $100.00 for a hanno special carb, 6P.
I"m building a hanno special from parts, all new parts, in fact.
It will be using a perry pump, and I'm port matching a standard RF block.
And a Shadel piston/Liner. I'll try and get it together soon and post something.
It's not really a hanno, just a fancy SF/RF ......
Over $100.00 for a hanno special carb, 6P.
I"m building a hanno special from parts, all new parts, in fact.
It will be using a perry pump, and I'm port matching a standard RF block.
And a Shadel piston/Liner. I'll try and get it together soon and post something.
It's not really a hanno, just a fancy SF/RF ......
04-17-2009, 05:19 PM
#25
My Feedback: (26)
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Grosse Pointe,
MI
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: os 61sf
I would think these old piped .60 size engines would have a hard time beating a super tiger .90 from a cost, weight and performance standpoint (at $119.00 it's lookiing pretty good in that respect).
From a sound and nostalgia standpomt.....priceless
From a sound and nostalgia standpomt.....priceless