Since the the other thread has been locked and all off topic items were deleted I'm re-posting the pics on German uniforms.
The color of german uniforms varied from maker to maker, dye lot, and period. The main difference between Heer and SS tunics was the number of belt hook holes, Heer had 3 verticle holes and the SS had just 2 holes. The tunics changed throught out the war as to number of buttons on the flap, color of the collar, and pleats on the pockets. The main models were M36, M40, M42, M43, and M44. I have also included an example of an SS officers tunic and a Heer officers tunic. Color of piping on the shoulder straps varried according to branch, Inf-white, Artillery-red, Signals-lemon yellow, Calvary-gold yellow, Panzer-rose pink. SS had a secondary underlay of black for officers and black straps for em/nco with branch piping. As long as you are close to the color range it will be fine for german uniforms. Here are the uniform pics again

Reguarding the question about black panzer wraps they were originally black wool, later field grey wraps were introduced for Stug crews but panzer crews adopted them as well. They also introduced a denim type wrapper as well, it was basically the same cut as the other wrappers except they had a large external pocket on the left side. The SS introduced a camo wrapper as well. There were some private tailored heer splinter wrappers as well. The difference between a Heer wrapper and an SS one is as follows, the heer wrappers had a center seam down the back of the wrapper the SS one didn't, also the Heer wrapper had an angled front flap where the SS one was straight.

As a side note there were a couple panzergrenadier regiments that wore the field grey wrappers with the application of the pzgren insignial(collar tabs, shoulder straps, etc) instead of the panzer insignia.

Outstanding research. Here is some fill in material too: http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj.../nuremberg.htm

"No trial provides a better basis for understanding the nature and causes of evil than do the Nuremberg trials from 1945 to 1949. Those who come to the trials expecting to find sadistic monsters are generally disappointed.

What is shocking about Nuremberg is the ordinariness of the defendants: men who may be good fathers, kind to animals, even unassuming--yet committed unspeakable crimes.

Years later, reporting on the trial of Adolf Eichmann, Hannah Arendt wrote of "the banality of evil."

Like Eichmann, most Nuremberg defendants never aspired to be villains.

Rather, they either over identified with an ideological cause or suffered from a lack of imagination: they couldn't fully appreciate the human consequences of their career-motivated decisions...."

Official "war criminals" as in SS Officers, Nazi party/NCOs and the likes (who order subordinates to kill unarmed POWs, Civ's or "other" non-soldier factions ie: Jews), yes, but not the ordinary wehmacht soldier... you're really pushing this, aren't you.

Check out this recent book written in Germany, by Germans, but available in English, by the Hamburger Institut für Sozialforschung (Hamburg Institute for Social Research):

"The German Army and Genocide: Crimes Against War Prisoners, Jews, and other Civilians in the East, 1939-1944"

Find it at: amazon.com

"No one who views this book can any longer doubt the complicity and cooperation of the general German armed forces, or Wehrmacht, in the murderous acts of Germany's ignominious Third Reich.

Literally hundreds of graphic and horrific photographs show average German soldiers shooting, hanging, bludgeoning, or otherwise mistreating, torturing, and murdering helpless..."

Wack and pzrwest, highly recommended to you both.

Americans did the same thing at Dachau, among other places. Does that mean all WW2 american soldiers evil??

One could also argue Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq?

Humans commit crimes, that doesn't mean the whole human race should be generalised as evil scum - what are you, Skynet?

edited to reduce a possible flame war

Can anybody tell me where I can find the TANK FORUM ....?

Hello Pzrwest!

And thank You very much to put those pictures and explanations here again. Now I was smarter and copied those safe before this treat get deleted also.

So those camo-wearings appears not until -44?
And still one more question. Did they really wear all those glitters (medal and rippons) all the time and all wrappers?

Sincerelly,

RR

Yes they did wear their medals and badges. Although when the camo items were worn the medals would be worn un the tunic underneath the camo clothing.

These unuiform pics were posted as a result of a person asking about the color of german uniforms. Standard German uniforms were worn by tank crews.

pcomm1, why dont you drop it.
You obviously have an uneducated and biggoted point of view that you feel people need to have rammed down their throats.
You already caused one thread to be cleaned up and locked, why not let pzrwest continue to share his knowledge of the subject with interested people.
if you don't like the subject, don't read it.

Thanks, Harold...I really appreciate your posting those photos again and have no problem at all with them ---I'm in fact happy to see them!

Reviews of historical tanks, uniforms, gear, etc. are ALWAYS welcome here. I inevitably learn something I didn't know before .... !

Whats up with those upward-facing belt holders? Don't look very comfortable [X(]

Panzerfaust77 no they aren't very comfortable if you are trying to sleep with your tunic on and your gear removed. But when wearing your gear they were very comfortable and the internal strap bore the load of the belt and gear on the shoulders. Once they introduced the Y-Straps the belt hooks and and internal traps for them were removed. They put the hooks back in when on leave when wearing just their belts and buckle as per regulations. Till the Y straps were introduced the belt hooks and internal straps supported the belt and all the gear that hung from the belt.

Don't know if these pic's will come through with the current virus thing going on but here are the uniform pic's I took at the Panzer Museum.
Perry

Looks like the pics didn't go through Perry S. As for the virus thing I can't understand why people have to mess with other peoples things. Do they get a kick out of messing things up?

Maybe this will work.
Perry