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So what is the latest? What new planes can we look forward to?

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I haven't been working on anything really extraordinary, mostly just tweaking the older designs to adapt to changing markets.

I have the 35% Edge 540 ready to go, but the market for that one seems a little limited. Am I wrong? I had 4 of the originals and still have 1, that seems to indicate that a 35% Edge is not what the world wants.

I have been considering a 50cc Giles, but again the market seems narrow. We are always fighting the sheep mentality which says if someone important says something is good then everyone has to have it. I like a little variety, not just flying a Yak.

I am also considering changing the 35% Extra 300 to a 260, and I'm curious about opinions of that move.

TF

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I don't know, I'm kinda partial to the "Not what everyone else has" mentality. Thats why I bought the WH Sukhoi, round cowl plane but NOT a Yak[8D]. Of course I still have people say "That's a cool looking Yak"......"It's NOT a YAK!!!!"

Ever thought of doing another biplane? Pitts Python maybe?

Whatever you do I'm sure it will be cool and just one more plane I will want!

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I also like something a bit different...

How about picking the best overall flying fuse, making several wing sets for it, Extra wings, Edge, Giles and folks could order up which version they wanted for their flying styles??

I think the Extra moving to a 260 would be nice, as well as a larger Ultimate that would work with the DA-85.

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I vote for a 50cc Giles. I would really like to have the 40% version but don't really have the room for another big plane and my 35% Sukhoi is so perfect that I don't want to quite flying it. Besides, I have a spare DA50 that would love to be in a Giles.

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I already have done that with the 35% Edge, when I tell people about it I am met with loud snoring. I don't think people see it as a big plus.

A bigger biplane would sell more slowly than the 50cc.

TF

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A 35 percent Extra 260 in a scale scheme would be nice, as long as it flies as good as the 35 percent 300! My best flying plane to date! What happened to the MX2?

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The mX2 was never produced because I just don't need it. I have 3 100cc planes now and a 4th waiting in the wings, there is a limit to how many planes we can carry. Remember I can't buy 2 or 3, I have to order 50 planes at a crack, and I just didn't see enough potential.

When you say "scale scheme", give me an example. I had the 33% Patty Wagstaff 260's before and nobody wanted them. The other schemes sold well, but the Patty's did not move at all.

So what other scale scheme did you have in mind?

TF

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Anybody have an interest in a 35-37% Katana? The one I'm thinking of out flies the Krill version.

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I think the 35% edge would be good. I think whatever you decide on you should design it with a single aileron servo. I know that makes some people leary, but I fly my sukhoi with only one 5955 per aileron and have absolutely no problems, because the aileron is stiff enough to handle it. I think if people knew how well the mid wing cap flies they would sell out today!

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The 35% Edge is already designed with a single servo in each wing.

TF

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I think the 35% Edge is due for a customer color scheme design contest.

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A plug and play tunnel for a single ks 1090 would be nice in your 35% Extra, whether it be a 260 or 300.

Eric

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A 35% super decathlon could be interesting.

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The 35% 300 in a 260 canopy would be nice. I love the look of the 300 but the canopy seems to long for some reason.

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How about a pattern ship that meets the 11lb and 2X2 rule and uses the ZDZ40 FAI engine?

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I think a 33-35% Katana would be a nice change.
Try it in a 50cc version if they sell better!

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im down with that program :)

- its an aerobat
- it could run on any 100cc engine
- nice alternative to the rest of the crowds Cubs etc

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Yep a big Kat would be nice. I'll take one of those.

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The 50cc Katana would be great !!!

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If i may I have to agree here... Personally I haven't really liked any of the recent covering schemes at all. The only one in the 35% line I liked was the yellow and blue Giles.. and personally would have prefered it purple again. The starburst scheme regardless of color was not appealing.

The 50cc scheme the edge scheme was nice but so many people bought it over the years it got kind of old... kind of like hearing a good song too many times. The rest just didn't do it for me on any model.

In the 41% I really love the flame scheme.. the others again don't appeal to me at all.

Please take this as trying to be helpful with some honest input.. I realize you can't please everyone I am just sharing my opinion here.

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Hey Tom, how much for that 35% Edge???

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$575 with a hardware kit.

TF

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Sorry I am a little confused. So You have a 35% edge available now? any pictures or specs I'm definately interested

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I'll go through the story again.

We have designed a 35% Edge, it's been flying for a long time. 102.5" wing span, 96" length, same design specs as most of our other planes. It's very light at 23-24 pounds with DA-85, uses a single servo on each aileron.

I had 4 of them built in the last container I received to put out for customer testing and for promotional purposes. 3 were sold, I have one left. The covering scheme is not complete, it is done like our 84" Edge 540T except the tops of the wings are all white and the h-stabs are red, blue, and white.

At some point this will become a production plane with a new color scheme, so this last plane won't be an orphan.

You can see videos of it in another thread here, Charua has one and has flown the heck out of it. Same for Kevin Elder who did a review;

http://www.downonthedeckdiscussion.c...76ca408684c926

I'll put up a couple videos soon.

TF

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The videos of the 35% Edge are up.

http://wildharerc.com/downloads/vide...ra_35_edge.wmv

http://wildharerc.com/downloads/vide...are_edge_2.wmv

TF

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Tom thats why I got the 35% Sukhoi it was one of Akind And my 50cc edge and my babby edge and my ultimate bipe I like them all because thay where not your run of the mill ARF. I must say A 50cc katana with the farings and all as close to scale would be A great home for my orphend Brison 3.2 with A long tunnel for A tuned pipe and A ringed cowel that would be sweet. Any way I like what you have been producing so far so good keep up the great work and I will keep buying them.

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I have the third 35% Edge but unfortunately I haven't been home long enough to do anything with it.

As for the Katana design, SD models had been the company that had been making the 35% planes. As many know SD was bought out by Thunder Tiger and the SD line of planes was supposed to be hitting the market again in mid May. Looks like this has fallen into the crapper after most of the previous employees left the Thunder Tiger operation to rejoin their previous leader in a new upstart manufacturing business. At least for now, nobody has a clue when the SD models will hit the market again, if ever.

I know who did the design for the SD 35% Katama and he has the plans and working drawings. I also know that he has the authority to re-use those plans and other tools to make the kit on his own if desired. With the right incentive he just might cut them loose. The SD planes flew great but had a problem with people in the shipping department failing to mate the wing and fuselage boxes up with the correct part numbers. That's why they had a fit problem. Had the eastern shippers simply matched fuse box one with wing bx 1, then move on to fuse box 2 with wing box 2 there never would have been fit issues.

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Way to go Tom,

I agree with you. Everyone wants to fly the same old Yak that everyone already have.

How about coming out with a really affordable (like the “babies) 25% Velox Revolution, maybe a 25% Stadaucher, or how about a 25% Sukhoi. These are kind of not so common designs in quarter scale out there, but they are excellent acrobats. I suggest you look closely at the quarter scale market since I feel there are a slew of new and very affordable 26cc gas power plants in the market that will be perfect matches plus a whole bunch of 2 stroke glow engines from 120 to 140 sizes. At the last Toledo show I was looking for a better than average 18X6 prop (common to most 26cc engines) and there weren’t any to be found. I believe even you were out of stock last time I enquired. That should give you and idea on how much the 26cc engines are being sold.

Besides the affordability issue there is the transportation angle. I now drive a small compact five door crossover that gives me some great mileage but is somewhat restricted in internal room. Your "Baby" line on models fits perfectly on my vehicle; in fact I can fit two of your 25% planes.

If you come out with a Honda Sukhoi in quarter scale size, sign me up on the waiting list..............:)

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Katana 50cc or 85cc would be great.

Pathapol

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I picked up the last 35% Edge prototype this weekend, this is definitely going to be one badass plane. Now I just need to get my project finished up and off the build table so I can work on the Edge.

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I guess that explains why when I called they said it was gone. Take good care of my plane.:( Now I'll have to wait until the production models come out.

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I agree that a 35% airplane of just about any type is probably the most popular plane to get now a days , if it's light and built with a DA-85. It's a great combo at a great price compared to a regular 100cc build.

I also agree that a 35% katana would be a great wildhare addition. Besides Krill ( which is expensive as hell ) and SD ( which might never be available again )....there isn't any larger katana's out there that i'm aware of.

Tom , i think the pocket hinging on a 35% katana would be an awesome addition , along with some really good sized throw surfaces for us 3D guys , and to be honest......i'd go with a little more wild scheme than some of the other airplanes out there. To be honest , i really like looking at the Dietrichs because of their color schemes , BUT i love the wildhare construction and your service is top notch. this is why i stick with wildhare.

I think a 35% katana would be a great addition. and they are a really good looking aircraft as well.

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I'll second this option! KS1090 on an DA-85 is a powerhouse and perfect for a 35%er.

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A little bit of info. The SD Katana out flys a Krill by a country mile, but the Krill is a lot prettier. SD was bought by Thunder Tiger and was supposed to have kits back on the market by mid May. A little birdie with a lot of insider info told me that most all the old SD employees quit the new Thunder Tiger company and are now working for a new outfit closely resembling the old SD. They took all the working drawings with them. The first psuedo SD plane has already arrived in the U.S. for flight testing by their chief test pilot and designer.

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More drama, just what was needed.

TF

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Nothing is safe, it never stops over there:eek::)

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Hey Tom,

What do you think about my suggestion of a "Baby" Sukhoi in the Honda Scheme? Have you given any consideration of any more 25% models coming out in the future? I will also consider a 25% Katana or Staudacher.

Right now there are not many options in quarter scale size for gas powered planes. The only other options available at right now are the new models designed around the 35cc-45cc size gas engines or 1.6 to 2.20 glow engines. These airplanes are just the right size for those who do not have a large vehicle to transport the slightly larger 50cc planes.

There are a lot of folks like me that are rather interested in the smaller 25% planes for economical and transportability reasons. In overall sales, did the "babies" sold out the same or better compared with the larger planes? There's a lot of interest out at our club for more quarter scale bunnies. I hope you give this idea some consideration.

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Good idea Airtech.


And pat......the krills fly ( not very good ? ) Hmmm?....i thought these we're supposed to be an awesome flying airplane. Your right , they do cost a lot , maybe that's why people say they fly great? You don't want people to think your $1500.00-$3000.00 airframe flies worse than your .40 sized trainer do ya?

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Now a Baby Sukhoi in Honda colors would be great make a match for my Honda Magna scheme Oh yeah !!!!