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Old 06-07-2011 | 12:17 PM
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Hi Guys
Instead of buying a 115, ie a motor I understand.... I went maaaaaaaD last weekend and bought a Capiche 140 with a DZ160
up front. It is a biatch to start. The guy I bought it from said 'spin it up with starter with W O T to get fuel pumped up'.
I did this, attached glow, nothing...for a l..o......n...................g time. Finally I blew into the breather pipe tried
again and she fired first time. She ran beautifully then I returned home after a few flights.
Today I had another go at playing hookey from work and it just wouldn't go. I was blowing in breather, opening throttle,
closing throttle, pulling pipes off here, there,everywhere to make sure there were no blockages and almost extinguished
the 1800mah lipo in my Align Starter. Just as I was about to de rig and go home it popped, then started.
Almost frustratingly it then ran perfectly through 5 flights before I went home.
Any of you genuis' got any thoughts or ideas?
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John
Old 06-07-2011 | 12:33 PM
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Yes, my 1.60 can be a bear to start first thing.

What I do is never run the engine dry unless I'm not going to fly it for several months. I never "Prime" it either, thats a great way to flood it. Then you really have a problem on your hands.

I start it the first start of the day like you would any other engine. Low idle, glow on, spin it.

It takes a bit more spinning however on the cold start. Once this is accomplished it starts very easily the rest of the day. If you've not flown it in a while I'd suggest starting it at home first in case you need to recharge your starter battery.

I do use a fuel shut off between the engine and the tank right after shut down to keep from flooding the engine.

They don't like to restart right after a flight either. 10-15 minutes normally.

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Old 06-07-2011 | 12:41 PM
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Fast reply Tim Cheers
I know it's a very different animal from my usual 63's and 110's which once pressured up always start on the button,
but I can't imagine this is right. It starts imediately once it's run initally, then purrrrrs for the rest of the day
which just puzzles me.
John
Old 06-07-2011 | 01:26 PM
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Normal operation.

Why I don't know, both of my engines do the exact samething. Once or twice a year I have to fight with one the first start of the day. I carry two starter batteries just in case.

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John....
If the pump loses it's prime....it can be difficult to start.
This is why the guy you bought it from said to open the throttle wide and spin it.

Well.....that will not work most of the time either unless fuel is already at the pump inlet.
I use a YS check valve on the tank overflow to prevent fuel spills so that when the tank fills, close the overflow line, then continue to pump for about 6 or 8 seconds.
This will pump up some pressure in the tank forcing fuel to the pump inlet.
THEN...spin the engine at WOT for about 8 seconds, close the throttle, crack the idle and it will start instantly.
I do this before every flight.
Using this method, there is no problem starting even if the engine is hot....I can land, taxi to the pits, refuel and restart immediately without problem.
This is not my technique....everyone I know does it this way.
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Cheers Dave
Having run about 2 gallons through it and having to consider having the grin on my face surgically
removed each time I fly it, I guess carrying spare lipo for the starter is a small
price to pay. I still think it should be easier to start but the fact that my QQ Yak 69 mitt 110s hasn't
seen the light of day since I got this tells all you need to know.
Only problem is I keep thinking 'what I really need is a 170 cdi........'
It never ends does it?

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John

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