Another Drone Pilot does it Again
11-08-2014, 03:46 PM
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The AC said three miles and was never a problem so when the law changes it to five miles why should there be a problem?
11-08-2014, 04:02 PM
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11-08-2014, 04:32 PM
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Sport pilot: Your comment is exactly why I posted this thread. We, Us, in R/C don't want any more Regulations other than what exist today. These clowns that fly irresponsibly, will not only endanger full size aircraft, but the people in them. All of us need to take some kind of action, there is the problem. What kind of action can we take to promote safety in our hobby, and how do we fix the idiots that purposely endanger other people and full scale aircraft? I do not know the answer.
11-08-2014, 04:39 PM
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You must think you can read minds. How does the FAA propose to do something like that? They have never done it before. How many flying fields were shut down when there was a three mile limit?
The AC said three miles and was never a problem so when the law changes it to five miles why should there be a problem?
The AC said three miles and was never a problem so when the law changes it to five miles why should there be a problem?
4. Do you fly within 5 miles of one of the more than 17,000 airports in the US?
The interpretive rule requires that you have permission to fly within this 5-mile area. An airport authority, for no reason other than because he or she simply doesn’t like model aircraft could prohibit your ability to fly within the 5-mile radius, even if the club has been flying at a site for decades.
[AMA's Viewpoint:]
The FAA’s interpretation appears to require any person with any size model aircraft to ask authorization from air traffic control before flying it, if within 5 miles of an airport. This is a new requirement for model aircraft, contrary to Congressional intent. The FAA has not offered any guidance as to what is considered an “airport” and whether that includes rarely used grass strips and helipads. If so, how do I reach the airport controller when no one is there? In another part of the interpretation, the FAA suggests that certain “classes” of airspace may govern what permission a model aircraft operator needs. This is confusing and unclear, and imposes many more obligations upon hobbyists than they ever had before, in contradiction to Congress’s intent. This interpretation impacts me because it does not clearly provide notice of what I am supposed to do. [My home, local park, or model aircraft club is within 5 miles of an airport and I am concerned that I need to ask permission of air traffic control just to use a toy in my backyard or local park.]
The FAA’s interpretation appears to require any person with any size model aircraft to ask authorization from air traffic control before flying it, if within 5 miles of an airport. This is a new requirement for model aircraft, contrary to Congressional intent. The FAA has not offered any guidance as to what is considered an “airport” and whether that includes rarely used grass strips and helipads. If so, how do I reach the airport controller when no one is there? In another part of the interpretation, the FAA suggests that certain “classes” of airspace may govern what permission a model aircraft operator needs. This is confusing and unclear, and imposes many more obligations upon hobbyists than they ever had before, in contradiction to Congress’s intent. This interpretation impacts me because it does not clearly provide notice of what I am supposed to do. [My home, local park, or model aircraft club is within 5 miles of an airport and I am concerned that I need to ask permission of air traffic control just to use a toy in my backyard or local park.]
11-08-2014, 04:46 PM
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Why try to glorify this activity here at the AMA forum...?
I don't need an Official AMA Safety Code to tell me this this is an intrinsically UNSAFE thing to do.
I'll bet that the Dallas nurse [Amber Vinson] who thought it was OK to expose airline passengers to her breathe right after treating a terminally ill Ebola patient would heartily endorse flying toy planes over the general population, too.
11-08-2014, 05:00 PM
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11-08-2014, 05:14 PM
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That is a scare tactic pure and simple. The AMA knows full well that the 3 mile rule has always worked for charter club flying fields. They are just using hyperbole to frighten the masses, There is no known basis for that AMA statement.
11-08-2014, 05:41 PM
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11-08-2014, 06:00 PM
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Finally, the statute sets a requirement for model aircraft operating within 5 miles9of an airport to notify the airport operator and control tower, where applicable, prior tooperating.10,11 If the model aircraft operator provides notice of forthcoming operations which are then not authorized by air traffic or objected to by the airport operator, theFAA expects the model aircraft operator will not conduct the proposed flights. The FAAwould consider flying model aircraft over the objections of FAA air traffic or airportoperators to be endangering the safety of the NAS. Additionally, we note that followingthis 5-mile notification procedure would be read in conjunction with FAA rulesgoverning airspace usage discussed below.
11-08-2014, 06:19 PM
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[h=5]Loudoun County Aeromodelers Association[/h]July 12
All,
This past couple of weeks the Board has been working on addressing our concerns with the recent “FAA Interpretation” and ensuring the club remains in good standing with the Leesburg Airport. Many of us have submitted feedback to the FAA regarding their proposal and we are also happy to report we believe there is no issue with our club and the airport. In accordance with the in place regulations the airport has been notified of our intent to continue operating our model aircraft at Banshee Reeks Nature Preserve the way we have been since 1996. We committed to continue to follow our club rules and comply with all AMA rules and regulations. We told them this in person at the Airport Commission Meeting this past Thursday. They took no issue with this and our notification was to be part of their official meeting minutes.
The Board implores all our members to be mindful of abiding by this arrangement and following all our clubs rules. We have a wonderful location and a good relationship with both the Leesburg Airport Commission and Banshee Reeks – let’s all do our part in keeping it this way!
Hope to see a lot of folks at the Electric Fly-In later this month (7/26). Don’t forget about the field clean-up day next Saturday (7/19) to help prepare for the event.
Happy flying!
11-08-2014, 06:36 PM
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11-08-2014, 07:48 PM
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Since that flight, though, I've exceeded that altitude, by about 200 feet. Camera got glitched while I was riding an updraft, beneath a lightening cloud, but altimeter, recorded it at a little over 3280ft AGL, so I'd have to say that was my highest unaided flight, yet! Yes, it does start to become sort of a speck, but not quite. That's why I like to do what I've termed, "Step-Climbing". That's why in the video, you see when I'm climbing, that the plane seems to be leveling off and then pointing back horizontal..that's so, that I can keep track of it, from the ground, because when it's up that high and climbing, it become just a thin slit, in the sky, so therefore, I level off in intervals to make sure that it's still going upwards. That particular camera, is the MD80, camera. About thumb-sized and under 6 grams.
11-08-2014, 07:57 PM
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11-08-2014, 08:14 PM
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You must think you can read minds. How does the FAA propose to do something like that? They have never done it before. How many flying fields were shut down when there was a three mile limit?
The AC said three miles and was never a problem so when the law changes it to five miles why should there be a problem?
The AC said three miles and was never a problem so when the law changes it to five miles why should there be a problem?
shut down any flying site within five miles of the airport without any reason.
11-08-2014, 08:18 PM
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That looks like flying over populated areas to me. That isn't what AMA members are supposed to do.
11-08-2014, 08:21 PM
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The curvature of the earth shows that the video was done with a wide angle lens, so it may have been below 500 feet, then again not. As long as they keep away from full scale I see no problem even if they were at 2000 feet.
11-08-2014, 08:25 PM
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Feathered, soft tissued birds I think are easy for an engine to digest, even the bones. And I i know the testing usually involves both frozen and soft bird carcasses. Some of these UAVs are pretty large and carry 5-10,000 mah batteries, and sometimes in pairs. I've got to imagine those could cause some serious damage to engines/systems.
Good point, Aside from the mass and density of the batteries/servos/motors I've often wondered what happens to the stored energy in the battery packs during catastrophic destruction of the batters? Would that energy add to the destructive power of being ingested in a jet engine?
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. . .I am not advocating the FAA licensing us. I do think maybe something along the lines of a turbine wavier (RC Pilot Cert) process could help. Maybe the AMA could run this? Maybe each state (or club) has their own Cert Org which meets the intent of a standard generic set of requirements, etc.? Also, the suppliers need to tighten up who gets their products. No RC Pilot cert (or maybe at least club affiliation) = no RC Planes, etc. With these two steps in place, not only will many of the problem children be averted, but our legitimate flyers will be a lot smarter, and we could be well positioned for "self-regulating." As it stand now, we are not seen as ready for self-regulating. What are you personally going to do to change that perception?
I don't think the FAA is likely to require membership in the AMA or other private organization. They might, however, require all UAV pilots to follow the AMA Safety Code.
11-08-2014, 08:31 PM
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It was a lot higher than 500 feet. I guessed 2000-2500 and turns out it was just under 3000.
11-08-2014, 08:35 PM
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11-08-2014, 09:16 PM
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Gentlemen! The videos that you've seen posted, were indeed over 2,000 feet AGL. But the fact of the matter is, I always keep it vertically above me and then, just a few dozen feet over across the roadway, to capture the stream, sceneries. I have never flown over someones residence, nor will I ever. If you'd observe the video's more closely, you'll notice that I follow the outline of the park... 170 degree,wide-angle lens
170 degree,wide-angle lens
11-08-2014, 09:31 PM
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Gentlemen! The videos that you've seen posted, were indeed over 2,000 feet AGL. But the fact of the matter is, I always keep it vertically above me and then, just a few dozen feet over across the roadway, to capture the stream, sceneries. I have never flown over someones residence, nor will I ever. If you'd observe the video's more closely, you'll notice that I follow the outline of the park... 170 degree,wide-angle lens
170 degree,wide-angle lens
11-08-2014, 09:32 PM
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11-08-2014, 09:55 PM
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Sorry this is kind of off topic but I noticed you in live in Ontario California. I want to move out there and was wondering if there are many flying fields in the area? Thanks.
11-09-2014, 12:40 AM
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Wow. It seems like some.of the people on this thread don't understand it only takes one incident for the government to crackdown on clubs that may not even have been involved with the incident but they are within the 5 mile zone. The Fed's will use a brand brush to solve their precived problem or threat to the airspace. 5 miles gives the Fed's that much more reach into the hobby we all love.