Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome)
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ORIGINAL: jet22b
Hi Brothers;
Big Brown just left this on my door step!!! I was not to open it until a week from today, because it will be my birthday, but I had to take a look!!
This is the ESM Spitfire Mk.XIV/XIX, 72'' wingspan ARF. It will be power by a 35cc DLE35RA engine. Have yet to come up with a set of retracts for this bird. Any help from the Brotherhood on the gears to go with, will be a big help. When I stat the build, I will post it here. Just looking inside the box, tell me this is going to be a sweet build!!!
This did come from Troy Built Models and the shipping was $84.82 and this was not bad for shipping 27 LBS!!!
Thanks for any info on the gears and like I said, I will post the build here!!
Sonny
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jet22b
Hi Brothers;
Big Brown just left this on my door step!!! I was not to open it until a week from today, because it will be my birthday, but I had to take a look!!
This is the ESM Spitfire Mk.XIV/XIX, 72'' wingspan ARF. It will be power by a 35cc DLE35RA engine. Have yet to come up with a set of retracts for this bird. Any help from the Brotherhood on the gears to go with, will be a big help. When I stat the build, I will post it here. Just looking inside the box, tell me this is going to be a sweet build!!!
This did come from Troy Built Models and the shipping was $84.82 and this was not bad for shipping 27 LBS!!!
Thanks for any info on the gears and like I said, I will post the build here!!
Sonny
aka
jet22b
I have the prototype Century Jet retracts in my plane. They have worked flawlessly for four years now with no adjustments. They are rock solid. Here are some photos. they are a drop in install although I would put some fiberglass on and around the rail mounts for the retracts. Hope this helps.
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tevans55;
Thanks for the pictures and info on the gears. They look good on your Spitfire. I did email Troy Built about the retracts for this model and they told me that they will have a set of electric retract gear coming sometime soon, but he could not give me a date when they will be in-stock. It is no rush for me because I will not start the build until next fall!! This will give me time to have everything I need to finish it. When I do start the build, I will post everything here so other who my want to go with the ESM 72.5" Spitfire will get the pro's and con's of this ARF!! I will do like you said and go with glass around the rails for the gears!!
Thanks again for the info. It is a big help!!!
Sonny
aka
jet22b
Thanks for the pictures and info on the gears. They look good on your Spitfire. I did email Troy Built about the retracts for this model and they told me that they will have a set of electric retract gear coming sometime soon, but he could not give me a date when they will be in-stock. It is no rush for me because I will not start the build until next fall!! This will give me time to have everything I need to finish it. When I do start the build, I will post everything here so other who my want to go with the ESM 72.5" Spitfire will get the pro's and con's of this ARF!! I will do like you said and go with glass around the rails for the gears!!
Thanks again for the info. It is a big help!!!
Sonny
aka
jet22b
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I believe Century Jet can make these gear electric if you prefer that as well. Also I have built 2 of these Spitfires...the first one hit a bird...I believe they both met their demise although the only confirmed kill was my Spitfire. Let me know if I can be of any additional assitance.
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I believe Century Jet can make these gear electric if you prefer that as well. Also I have built 2 of these Spitfires...the first one hit a bird...I believe they both met their demise although the only confirmed kill was my Spitfire. Let me know if I can be of any additional assitance.
I believe Century Jet can make these gear electric if you prefer that as well. Also I have built 2 of these Spitfires...the first one hit a bird...I believe they both met their demise although the only confirmed kill was my Spitfire. Let me know if I can be of any additional assitance.
Thanks, again!!!
Sonny
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RE: Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome)
Hi Steve,
definitely are looking forward to some build pictures. You bet!
Not too much happening. You guys must be out at the field flying
or doing yard work.
Looking good.
Keep em' coming.
Still no maiden on my finished Spitfire that is waiting to see some sortie action.
I got so frustrated with the weather here, I started on my Top Flite Corsair 60 kit
that wasn't to start till sometime in the fall.
Andreas
Happy building & flying.
definitely are looking forward to some build pictures. You bet!
Not too much happening. You guys must be out at the field flying
or doing yard work.
Looking good.
Keep em' coming.
Still no maiden on my finished Spitfire that is waiting to see some sortie action.
I got so frustrated with the weather here, I started on my Top Flite Corsair 60 kit
that wasn't to start till sometime in the fall.
Andreas
Happy building & flying.
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Steve;
That is the way my retracts looks. Make sure you build in wheels well for the tires. You will be happy you did. They will beef up that part of the wing real good. My club had a field party yesterday to get the field ready for flying!! Flying weather is here and shop work have come to a stop for me. I can not find myself in the shop working when the sun is out and the sky is blue!! That flying bug bite very hard!!!
Sonny
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jet22b
That is the way my retracts looks. Make sure you build in wheels well for the tires. You will be happy you did. They will beef up that part of the wing real good. My club had a field party yesterday to get the field ready for flying!! Flying weather is here and shop work have come to a stop for me. I can not find myself in the shop working when the sun is out and the sky is blue!! That flying bug bite very hard!!!
Sonny
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jet22b
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Hello brotherhood friends,
I'm thrilled to report that maiden #2 was a complete success. A friend of mine took a few low-res pictures, attached. This is a TF Spitfire that turned out quite heavy (around 12 pounds), and I was really worried about that. I equipped it with a Saito FA-115. It's in fact my First Saito, and I must say I've become a huge fan. It sounds wonderfully realistic, and it delivers 2HP which is outstanding considering its size.
Take-off was a little scary for me, considering that maiden #1 resulted in a nose-over that broke the valve-case of the previous engine (an OS .81). So this time I applied substantial up-elevator to keep the nose down. This resulted in the plane taking off prematurely, and almost stalling, which I could fortunately recover (sweating copiously). The flight required little trimming, mostly to correct a tendency to turn to the left. I'm unsure as to whether this is related to the torque of the engine, so any comments on that will be very welcome.
The Robart landing gear worked without glitches. I don't like the fact that the wheels come down (and up) separately (i.e. not at the same time). This has no effect on the flight, but from a pure aesthetics perspective, it's not very nice.
Landing was done with flaps down, and for these first flights I always landed very "hot". I still need to determine the stall speed to improve my landing. It nevertheless went very well, and past the paved runway a little bit into the grass.
My first conclusions:
1) Take off does not need as much elevator as I used in the first flight. In the second and third flights I used the elevator with more judgement, keeping an eye on the tail, and it turned out to be quite easy to have the tail raise progressively into a nice take off.
2) Landing is challenging, but I always did it a quite high speeds, to avoid stalling. The next thing to do will be to determine the stall speed (which seems to be much slower, based on the take-offs) to make slower landings.
3) The plane in flight was absolutely beautiful. The look (even without the decals, which I will apply in the next days) combined with the gorgeous sound of the Saito, left me breathless.
Good flights to everyone!
I'm thrilled to report that maiden #2 was a complete success. A friend of mine took a few low-res pictures, attached. This is a TF Spitfire that turned out quite heavy (around 12 pounds), and I was really worried about that. I equipped it with a Saito FA-115. It's in fact my First Saito, and I must say I've become a huge fan. It sounds wonderfully realistic, and it delivers 2HP which is outstanding considering its size.
Take-off was a little scary for me, considering that maiden #1 resulted in a nose-over that broke the valve-case of the previous engine (an OS .81). So this time I applied substantial up-elevator to keep the nose down. This resulted in the plane taking off prematurely, and almost stalling, which I could fortunately recover (sweating copiously). The flight required little trimming, mostly to correct a tendency to turn to the left. I'm unsure as to whether this is related to the torque of the engine, so any comments on that will be very welcome.
The Robart landing gear worked without glitches. I don't like the fact that the wheels come down (and up) separately (i.e. not at the same time). This has no effect on the flight, but from a pure aesthetics perspective, it's not very nice.
Landing was done with flaps down, and for these first flights I always landed very "hot". I still need to determine the stall speed to improve my landing. It nevertheless went very well, and past the paved runway a little bit into the grass.
My first conclusions:
1) Take off does not need as much elevator as I used in the first flight. In the second and third flights I used the elevator with more judgement, keeping an eye on the tail, and it turned out to be quite easy to have the tail raise progressively into a nice take off.
2) Landing is challenging, but I always did it a quite high speeds, to avoid stalling. The next thing to do will be to determine the stall speed (which seems to be much slower, based on the take-offs) to make slower landings.
3) The plane in flight was absolutely beautiful. The look (even without the decals, which I will apply in the next days) combined with the gorgeous sound of the Saito, left me breathless.
Good flights to everyone!
#2511
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ddemarco;
Congrat on your maiden flights!!! The next time you fly her, take her up high and do some slow flight to see what the plane do. See if the nose just drop or will it tuck a wing, ( left wing drop or the right wing. ) do it with the flaps down and up.
This will give you a ideal of how slow you can land the plane before it drop from the air. The plane do look good in the air!!!
Again, congrat on the maiden flight and keep us up-dated!!!
Sonny
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jet22b
Congrat on your maiden flights!!! The next time you fly her, take her up high and do some slow flight to see what the plane do. See if the nose just drop or will it tuck a wing, ( left wing drop or the right wing. ) do it with the flaps down and up.
This will give you a ideal of how slow you can land the plane before it drop from the air. The plane do look good in the air!!!
Again, congrat on the maiden flight and keep us up-dated!!!
Sonny
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jet22b
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Congratulations Diego.
She looks really nice in the air and will be a looker
once the decals are applied.
Thanks for sharing your maiden flight experience.
Please, post a videoif you have a chance to make one.
Andreas
Happy building and flying.
She looks really nice in the air and will be a looker
once the decals are applied.
Thanks for sharing your maiden flight experience.
Please, post a videoif you have a chance to make one.
Andreas
Happy building and flying.
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Looking good OldScaleGuy!!
Ddemarco, Thanks for the update. Now I want to get into my shop and do some covering. How did you finish yours; i.e. glass or monokote?
As far as the landing gear actuation, no problem, a lot of full scale hydraulic systems do the same.
Ddemarco, Thanks for the update. Now I want to get into my shop and do some covering. How did you finish yours; i.e. glass or monokote?
As far as the landing gear actuation, no problem, a lot of full scale hydraulic systems do the same.
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RE: Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome)
Hi Brothers;
Below there is a link for a video that I saw some years ago and I think the Brotherhood will enjoy. While it not on our beloved Spitfire, but it show just how close this team came to bring this plane home!!
His is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4YBwjQTds
Some of you may have seen this, but, if not, enjoy!!!
Sonny
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jet22b
Below there is a link for a video that I saw some years ago and I think the Brotherhood will enjoy. While it not on our beloved Spitfire, but it show just how close this team came to bring this plane home!!
His is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4YBwjQTds
Some of you may have seen this, but, if not, enjoy!!!
Sonny
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jet22b
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RE: Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome)
ORIGINAL: OldScaleGuy
Hey Brotherhood, after some pm's with Warbirdracer Brotherhood #1, we have decided to possibly make Spitfire Brotherhood caps available. They will look basically like the shirts in the picture below. With spring just around the corner now is the time to get them started. Will keep the cost as low as possible and determine that in the near future.
Please let me know if you have an interest.
Hey Brotherhood, after some pm's with Warbirdracer Brotherhood #1, we have decided to possibly make Spitfire Brotherhood caps available. They will look basically like the shirts in the picture below. With spring just around the corner now is the time to get them started. Will keep the cost as low as possible and determine that in the near future.
Please let me know if you have an interest.
I wonder if anyone is as suspicious about the negative news concerning the Burma Spitfires as I am. We know there are "negative forces" against the positive cultural values represented by the Spitfire ( please see Churchill reference below) but we also know by faith in the unstoppable trajectory of history that good will ultimately be triumphant over evil. As it has in the past so shall it surely be in the future - inspiring heroric actions that will be praised as part of a modern FINEST HOUR for the Spitfire. Maybe I'm just dreaming, but I see the Spitfire Brotherhood as a force for good in a world of unrelenting remorseless despair.
SCRAMBLE!
Out.
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Thank you gentlemen! You are forcing me to rethink what I am doing and why I am doing it. I'm thinking it might just help me deal with the over excitement of flight that tends to incite "dumb thumb" mistakes if I were to become "somewhat" (?) proficient with a dandy little 3D machine. I wouldn't want to become too proficient, of course, because it's the challenge of that "little whiff of terror" that can make our toys so much fun to play with. Because of my interest in safety and practical science applications of modeling in education, a lot like China is so successfully doing, I would have been a very strong advocate of those fantastic micro sized fighters (I do recommend them along with other good stuff for beginners) had they been available when I actually started my R/C career. My problem at the moment is that I am addicted to that "little extra" whiff of danger that our killer size park flyer fighters can provide due to their size.
I'm not going to do it right away, but at some point I just might have to buy a Kondor Model Products SCARY 135 ounce ARF model of the greatest fighter in the European theater of WWII.
Breaking off the attack now.
Out.
Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome) #64 - Post #407 - Battle of
Britain & Winston Churchill relevancy to modeling -
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11007416 PLEASE SEE POST 852
(Page # 35) on Spit thread for FANTASTIC INFO. See why we fight -
www.goodfight.com
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FIGHTERS - AVIATION'S ULTIMATE CALL TO GLORY, HONOR, AND IMMORTALITY -
http://community-2.webtv.net/RICHARD...4/CALLTOGLORY/
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The following URL brings up the most concise, non-technical (with
technical references) discussion about the revolutionary THORIUM PLASMA
BATTERY technology I have found on the web. ENJOY! Oh what fun we are
going to have in the future of flight!
http://www.ecocarforum.com/ev-forums...t_a_recha.html
''mad thorium batteries'' typed in Yahoo and/or Google brings up some
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ORIGINAL: OldScaleGuy
Diego your Spitfire looks great in the air, congratulations.
The caps are on order. Will let you know as soon as they arrive.
Diego your Spitfire looks great in the air, congratulations.
The caps are on order. Will let you know as soon as they arrive.
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Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome) #64 - Post #407 - Battle of
Britain & Winston Churchill relevancy to modeling -
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11007416 PLEASE SEE POST 852
(Page # 35) on Spit thread for FANTASTIC INFO. See why we fight -
www.goodfight.com
__________________________________________________ _________
FIGHTERS - AVIATION'S ULTIMATE CALL TO GLORY, HONOR, AND IMMORTALITY -
http://community-2.webtv.net/RICHARD...4/CALLTOGLORY/
__________________________________________________ __________
The following URL brings up the most concise, non-technical (with
technical references) discussion about the revolutionary THORIUM PLASMA
BATTERY technology I have found on the web. ENJOY! Oh what fun we are
going to have in the future of flight!
http://www.ecocarforum.com/ev-forums...t_a_recha.html
''mad thorium batteries'' typed in Yahoo and/or Google brings up some
great information about thorium plasma batteries
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ORIGINAL: mad web tv scientist
Thanks Steve. Your post signature reminded me of a manifestation of the cultural bias against modeling that I recently experienced by an eldery woman with a dog in tow on a soccer field where I was flying and practicing taxiing a fighter around. She said, ''cute toy.'' I smiled and responded with: ''Yeah, I enjoy it.'' We can call them toys but we all know there is a whole lot more to our ''REAL AIRPLANES'' than mere frivilous toys!
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Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome) #64 - Post #407 - Battle of
Britain & Winston Churchill relevancy to modeling -
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11007416 PLEASE SEE POST 852
(Page # 35) on Spit thread for FANTASTIC INFO. See why we fight -
www.goodfight.com
__________________________________________________ _________
FIGHTERS - AVIATION'S ULTIMATE CALL TO GLORY, HONOR, AND IMMORTALITY -
http://community-2.webtv.net/RICHARD...4/CALLTOGLORY/
__________________________________________________ __________
The following URL brings up the most concise, non-technical (with
technical references) discussion about the revolutionary THORIUM PLASMA
BATTERY technology I have found on the web. ENJOY! Oh what fun we are
going to have in the future of flight!
http://www.ecocarforum.com/ev-forums...t_a_recha.html
''mad thorium batteries'' typed in Yahoo and/or Google brings up some
great information about thorium plasma batteries
ORIGINAL: OldScaleGuy
Diego your Spitfire looks great in the air, congratulations.
The caps are on order. Will let you know as soon as they arrive.
Diego your Spitfire looks great in the air, congratulations.
The caps are on order. Will let you know as soon as they arrive.
Out.
Spitfire Brotherhood (All Spitfires Welcome) #64 - Post #407 - Battle of
Britain & Winston Churchill relevancy to modeling -
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=11007416 PLEASE SEE POST 852
(Page # 35) on Spit thread for FANTASTIC INFO. See why we fight -
www.goodfight.com
__________________________________________________ _________
FIGHTERS - AVIATION'S ULTIMATE CALL TO GLORY, HONOR, AND IMMORTALITY -
http://community-2.webtv.net/RICHARD...4/CALLTOGLORY/
__________________________________________________ __________
The following URL brings up the most concise, non-technical (with
technical references) discussion about the revolutionary THORIUM PLASMA
BATTERY technology I have found on the web. ENJOY! Oh what fun we are
going to have in the future of flight!
http://www.ecocarforum.com/ev-forums...t_a_recha.html
''mad thorium batteries'' typed in Yahoo and/or Google brings up some
great information about thorium plasma batteries
My wife used to call them "toys" also, till I messed up and let her see how much I sold one of my "toys" for. Now she makes it a point, when I sell one, to ask " How much did WE make on that one?" LOL Im screwed LOL.
NEVER let your wife know how much your toys are worth. LMAO
Burn receipts, tell stories, claim they arnt yours, anything but the truth on how much the cost LMAO
WBG
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Got a question. I am seeing quite a lot of variation in the wheel/tire cant angle on the Spitfires. Which one is right? Or are they all right? Wheels canted inward, outward or perpendicular to the ground. I am a bit confused, C.O. and i need to get our Top Flites as close to scale as we can.
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Got a question. I am seeing quite a lot of variation in the wheel/tire cant angle on the Spitfires. Which one is right? Or are they all right? Wheels canted inward, outward or perpendicular to the ground. I am a bit confused, C.O. and i need to get our Top Flites as close to scale as we can.
Got a question. I am seeing quite a lot of variation in the wheel/tire cant angle on the Spitfires. Which one is right? Or are they all right? Wheels canted inward, outward or perpendicular to the ground. I am a bit confused, C.O. and i need to get our Top Flites as close to scale as we can.
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just a few more details worked out on the Mk.1a.
Here's the link : http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...1838567&page=3
Here's the link : http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...1838567&page=3