Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
05-14-2013, 02:54 PM
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05-14-2013, 04:42 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
ORIGINAL: DrScoles
I have a 3-D xray machine in my office. Its field of view is 7''x7''x5'', perfect for imaging human head, not so much for scanning model parts! I did scan the stab on my skymaster Mig-29. Looks like they put a metal blade at the end of the shaft. Unfortunately, human bone is much denser than fiberglass or wood, so its hard to pick out anything but the metal and a little bit of the thickest parts of resin/glass.
Its a shame that we have to even consider doing this to our models. Particularly with the amount of money we spend on them. I can safely say I will never buy a product from FEJ. Even if they come out with the coolest plane on the block and fix their QC issues... their customer service, or lack thereof, is not worth it.
I have a 3-D xray machine in my office. Its field of view is 7''x7''x5'', perfect for imaging human head, not so much for scanning model parts! I did scan the stab on my skymaster Mig-29. Looks like they put a metal blade at the end of the shaft. Unfortunately, human bone is much denser than fiberglass or wood, so its hard to pick out anything but the metal and a little bit of the thickest parts of resin/glass.
Its a shame that we have to even consider doing this to our models. Particularly with the amount of money we spend on them. I can safely say I will never buy a product from FEJ. Even if they come out with the coolest plane on the block and fix their QC issues... their customer service, or lack thereof, is not worth it.
I am in the process of helping a friend with his SM F-16 jet, and came across the same thing last week. The stab's pivot rod wasn't lined-up correctly, so we took the stab apart. That's when we found the X-acto blade inserted into the rod as an anti-rotation pin!
Here's the pictures.
Imagine spending thousands of dollars on a jet when the manufacturer is using bits of old tools as part of the jet.
05-14-2013, 05:06 PM
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Skymaster has had a long history of problematic airplanes. People just don't talk about it online much.
Those sold through BVM may have had some more testing, but not the rest.
Ask around. Even Ali Machinchy had to drop Skymaster a few years ago due to QC issues.
Those sold through BVM may have had some more testing, but not the rest.
Ask around. Even Ali Machinchy had to drop Skymaster a few years ago due to QC issues.
05-14-2013, 05:17 PM
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what makes you guys think that spending thousands of dollars on made in china crap is going to get you a quality product? the point of buying chinese is cheap pricing. expecting quality just because they raised the price is down right nuts. we all got lazy with the arf revolution and now it's coming back to bite us all in the ass.
05-14-2013, 05:38 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
You are absolutely correct ... it is a metal blade. Actually it's a used X-acto blade!
I am in the process of helping a friend with his SM F-16 jet, and came across the same thing last week. The stab's pivot rod wasn't lined-up correctly, so we took the stab apart. That's when we found the X-acto blade inserted into the rod as an anti-rotation pin!
Here's the pictures.
Imagine spending thousands of dollars on a jet when the manufacturer is using bits of old tools as part of the jet.
You are absolutely correct ... it is a metal blade. Actually it's a used X-acto blade!
I am in the process of helping a friend with his SM F-16 jet, and came across the same thing last week. The stab's pivot rod wasn't lined-up correctly, so we took the stab apart. That's when we found the X-acto blade inserted into the rod as an anti-rotation pin!
Here's the pictures.
Imagine spending thousands of dollars on a jet when the manufacturer is using bits of old tools as part of the jet.
Wonder what Anton would have to say? Off topic in this thread, but maybe subject matter for another.
Sluggo
05-14-2013, 07:16 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
You are absolutely correct ... it is a metal blade. Actually it's a used X-acto blade!
I am in the process of helping a friend with his SM F-16 jet, and came across the same thing last week. The stab's pivot rod wasn't lined-up correctly, so we took the stab apart. That's when we found the X-acto blade inserted into the rod as an anti-rotation pin!
Here's the pictures.
Imagine spending thousands of dollars on a jet when the manufacturer is using bits of old tools as part of the jet.
ORIGINAL: DrScoles
I have a 3-D xray machine in my office. Its field of view is 7''x7''x5'', perfect for imaging human head, not so much for scanning model parts! I did scan the stab on my skymaster Mig-29. Looks like they put a metal blade at the end of the shaft. Unfortunately, human bone is much denser than fiberglass or wood, so its hard to pick out anything but the metal and a little bit of the thickest parts of resin/glass.
Its a shame that we have to even consider doing this to our models. Particularly with the amount of money we spend on them. I can safely say I will never buy a product from FEJ. Even if they come out with the coolest plane on the block and fix their QC issues... their customer service, or lack thereof, is not worth it.
I have a 3-D xray machine in my office. Its field of view is 7''x7''x5'', perfect for imaging human head, not so much for scanning model parts! I did scan the stab on my skymaster Mig-29. Looks like they put a metal blade at the end of the shaft. Unfortunately, human bone is much denser than fiberglass or wood, so its hard to pick out anything but the metal and a little bit of the thickest parts of resin/glass.
Its a shame that we have to even consider doing this to our models. Particularly with the amount of money we spend on them. I can safely say I will never buy a product from FEJ. Even if they come out with the coolest plane on the block and fix their QC issues... their customer service, or lack thereof, is not worth it.
I am in the process of helping a friend with his SM F-16 jet, and came across the same thing last week. The stab's pivot rod wasn't lined-up correctly, so we took the stab apart. That's when we found the X-acto blade inserted into the rod as an anti-rotation pin!
Here's the pictures.
Imagine spending thousands of dollars on a jet when the manufacturer is using bits of old tools as part of the jet.
05-14-2013, 07:56 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
All ARFs have some issue, even in the prop world. The $$$ question is what is the customer service like???? Does the company stand with or againt you if you have an issue???? There is absolutely no reason this issue should have escalated the way it did. This is amateur hour and I didn't need a MBA to figure that out.
05-14-2013, 08:46 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
Several of us have shared our experiences regarding other manufacturors.
I had an issue with a jet from SM and Anton stepped right up without hesitation. He never tried to buy silence, nor pass blame, immediately contacted customers, corrected the problem and sent out new parts to all customers.
I purchased two more jets right after this experience because of his excellent customer service and support.
Looking at another from him now.
Scott
I had an issue with a jet from SM and Anton stepped right up without hesitation. He never tried to buy silence, nor pass blame, immediately contacted customers, corrected the problem and sent out new parts to all customers.
I purchased two more jets right after this experience because of his excellent customer service and support.
Looking at another from him now.
Scott
05-14-2013, 09:03 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
ORIGINAL: jetpilot
Several of us have shared our experiences regarding other manufacturors.
I had an issue with a jet from SM and Anton stepped right up without hesitation. He never tried to buy silence, nor pass blame, immediately contacted customers, corrected the problem and sent out new parts to all customers.
I purchased two more jets right after this experience because of his excellent customer service and support.
Looking at another from him now.
Scott
Several of us have shared our experiences regarding other manufacturors.
I had an issue with a jet from SM and Anton stepped right up without hesitation. He never tried to buy silence, nor pass blame, immediately contacted customers, corrected the problem and sent out new parts to all customers.
I purchased two more jets right after this experience because of his excellent customer service and support.
Looking at another from him now.
Scott
05-14-2013, 11:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: Airplanes400
You are absolutely correct ... it is a metal blade. Actually it's a used X-acto blade!
You are absolutely correct ... it is a metal blade. Actually it's a used X-acto blade!
"Free toolkit with every Skymaster Jet!"
05-15-2013, 03:02 AM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
Dantley, I'm going to have to take exception with you here.
I am deeply offended...you shouldn't insult Amatuer Hour like this
Sluggo
I am deeply offended...you shouldn't insult Amatuer Hour like this
Sluggo
ORIGINAL: dubd
All ARFs have some issue, even in the prop world. The $$$ question is what is the customer service like???? Does the company stand with or againt you if you have an issue???? There is absolutely no reason this issue should have escalated the way it did. This is amateur hour and I didn't need a MBA to figure that out.
All ARFs have some issue, even in the prop world. The $$$ question is what is the customer service like???? Does the company stand with or againt you if you have an issue???? There is absolutely no reason this issue should have escalated the way it did. This is amateur hour and I didn't need a MBA to figure that out.
05-15-2013, 02:53 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
ORIGINAL: jetpilot
Several of us have shared our experiences regarding other manufacturors.
I had an issue with a jet from SM and Anton stepped right up without hesitation. He never tried to buy silence, nor pass blame, immediately contacted customers, corrected the problem and sent out new parts to all customers.
I purchased two more jets right after this experience because of his excellent customer service and support.
Looking at another from him now.
Scott
Several of us have shared our experiences regarding other manufacturors.
I had an issue with a jet from SM and Anton stepped right up without hesitation. He never tried to buy silence, nor pass blame, immediately contacted customers, corrected the problem and sent out new parts to all customers.
I purchased two more jets right after this experience because of his excellent customer service and support.
Looking at another from him now.
Scott
05-19-2013, 04:34 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
I'd still rather pay $11,000.00 for a BVM jet and have it for years, than pay $5,000.00 for a Chinese built jet and have it for just a few flights before it crashes.
Watching a $5,000.00 Chinese built jet crash with more than another $3,000.00 worth of equipment is never worth seeing the fireball that erupts when it crashes. And in dubd's case, it was a 20,000.00 fireball. YIKES !!!
I'd rather pay $11,000 and never see my jet end up as a fireball.
Watching a $5,000.00 Chinese built jet crash with more than another $3,000.00 worth of equipment is never worth seeing the fireball that erupts when it crashes. And in dubd's case, it was a 20,000.00 fireball. YIKES !!!
I'd rather pay $11,000 and never see my jet end up as a fireball.
05-19-2013, 08:23 PM
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I was at my local field today and the crash was brought up at least a dozen times. A lot of four letter words were used to describe FEJ and their reps.
Airplanes, not all Chinese plane makers produce crap products. Given Skymaster's partnership with BVM and Anton's demonstration of providing a high level of service, they are in a different league.
Airplanes, not all Chinese plane makers produce crap products. Given Skymaster's partnership with BVM and Anton's demonstration of providing a high level of service, they are in a different league.
05-20-2013, 02:24 PM
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Well, I spent last week reading this thread from the very start and I have found it "interesting" .
I think that the forum moderator Ken should be commended for:
1. Allowing the thread to stay open given pressure to have it closed
2. Allowing a lot of latitude for all opinions to be heard
3. Stepping in when necessary to stop the thread from becoming toxic
Also a big thanks to RC Universe for allowing Dantley to bring to light a very serious safety issue.
Finally, a big thanks to Dantley for having the guts to tackle this issue.
(Full disclosure, I've known Dantley for quite a while and I have found him to be an upstanding guy)
T. Walker
I think that the forum moderator Ken should be commended for:
1. Allowing the thread to stay open given pressure to have it closed
2. Allowing a lot of latitude for all opinions to be heard
3. Stepping in when necessary to stop the thread from becoming toxic
Also a big thanks to RC Universe for allowing Dantley to bring to light a very serious safety issue.
Finally, a big thanks to Dantley for having the guts to tackle this issue.
(Full disclosure, I've known Dantley for quite a while and I have found him to be an upstanding guy)
T. Walker
05-20-2013, 04:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: tewalker01
Well, I spent last week reading this thread from the very start and I have found it ''interesting'' .
I think that the forum moderator Ken should be commended for:
1. Allowing the thread to stay open given pressure to have it closed
2. Allowing a lot of latitude for all opinions to be heard
3. Stepping in when necessary to stop the thread from becoming toxic
Also a big thanks to RC Universe for allowing Dantley to bring to light a very serious safety issue.
Finally, a big thanks to Dantley for having the guts to tackle this issue.
(Full disclosure, I've known Dantley for quite a while and I have found him to be an upstanding guy)
T. Walker
Well, I spent last week reading this thread from the very start and I have found it ''interesting'' .
I think that the forum moderator Ken should be commended for:
1. Allowing the thread to stay open given pressure to have it closed
2. Allowing a lot of latitude for all opinions to be heard
3. Stepping in when necessary to stop the thread from becoming toxic
Also a big thanks to RC Universe for allowing Dantley to bring to light a very serious safety issue.
Finally, a big thanks to Dantley for having the guts to tackle this issue.
(Full disclosure, I've known Dantley for quite a while and I have found him to be an upstanding guy)
T. Walker
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05-20-2013, 10:49 PM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
I got around to taking pictures of the stab and noticed a few things. First the entire structure is made of honeycomb (no surprise). Second, the bolts are secured against a thin layer of carbon fiber cloth. Third, the bolts were loose from the compression against the honeycomb. I was able to wiggle them around 360 degrees with my driver. Does a thin strip of carbon cloth seem sufficient to secure bolts to honeycomb?
The pictures below are of the bolts that go into the pivot shaft.
The pictures below are of the bolts that go into the pivot shaft.
05-21-2013, 02:47 AM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
ORIGINAL: dubd
I got around to taking pictures of the stab and noticed a few things. First the entire structure is made of honeycomb (no surprise). Second, the bolts are secured against a thin layer of carbon fiber cloth. Third, the bolts were loose from the compression against the honeycomb. I was able to wiggle them around 360 degrees with my driver. Does a thin strip of carbon cloth seem sufficient to secure bolts to honeycomb?
The pictures below are of the bolts that go into the pivot shaft.
I got around to taking pictures of the stab and noticed a few things. First the entire structure is made of honeycomb (no surprise). Second, the bolts are secured against a thin layer of carbon fiber cloth. Third, the bolts were loose from the compression against the honeycomb. I was able to wiggle them around 360 degrees with my driver. Does a thin strip of carbon cloth seem sufficient to secure bolts to honeycomb?
The pictures below are of the bolts that go into the pivot shaft.
Bob
05-21-2013, 03:00 AM
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RE: Fly Eagle Jet F-14 Crash (video)
Hi
Wow, unbelievable....
These guys really don't know what they're doing. How could this work in a 25Kg bird? Maybe in a foamy edf....
Dantley, are you sure you installed all the screws? Are these guys for real, or what??????
Regards
Nuno
Wow, unbelievable....
These guys really don't know what they're doing. How could this work in a 25Kg bird? Maybe in a foamy edf....
Dantley, are you sure you installed all the screws?
Are these guys for real, or what?????? Regards
Nuno
