coony2787

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I recently bought a DA 100 that has been run on amsoil 100:1 for about 150 flights. Here is my question , no one sells amsoil here in my town. I have always ran klotz 50:1 in all of my engines. Would it hurt this engine to change it over to klotz 50:1 ? I can order some amsoil but i really dont want to wait for it to come to fly this plane. Also i dont want to have to have 2 difernent gas mixes. Any advice would be appreciated.

Chad

CK1

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You're going to get allot of varried input on this subject but.....
Go ahead and run the Klotz it wont hurt a thing , you may have to retune a little but not much
I have run mainly Amsoil 100:1 in all of my engines for years and occasionally i'll run out of Amsoil and have to use whatever is avail.
I have not noticed any concerning issues caused by using other oils at 50:1 or 32:1 ratio (depending on what the oil manufacturer recommends )
You may notice that the air/fuel mixture may be a little more lean with a lower ratio oil mix , you might need to richen your carb settings just a little.

RTK

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If you have lotza klotz, use it.

Tired Old Man

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If you're sold on Klotz, go ahaed and use it. There are other oils equal to, or better than the Klotz at most good motorcycle shops. They don't cost an arm or a leg and they are convienient to obtain.

coony2787

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I called DA yesterday afternoon and they said not to use KLOTZ in anything exscpecialy there engines. They recomemded Redline at 40:1, Belray @ 50:1 or Mobil mx2t @ 32:1 or Amsoil. I cant believe they downed Klotz so bad. I have used it for years now and never had any problem's. I guess i'am going to switch all my motors over one the above!!


Chad

RTK

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coony--What was there reasoning?

Tired Old Man

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The Redline Racing 2 stroke oil smells a lot better that the Amsoil. Ask RTK. I've been using Redline at 80-1 in Brison engines for a long, long time with excellent results.

Xipp

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I am not a big fan of 100 to 1 mixes and a lot will want to argue this.But the fact is no oil mixed at a 100 to 1 will provide a solid ring seal at higher RPM's.Tell you what i will attach a webpage link where a guy did some testing with diff oils and mixtures check it out it's good reading

Here is a direct quote from the gentleman who did the testing i see we feel the same way about 100to1 mixes

I would never use Amsoil 100:1 mixed at 100:1. There is no decrease of carbon formation and I noticed an increase of piston scuffing on the test engine. Even though I have over $20,000 of engines in my shop which I did not purchase on my own money, I still think it is "nuts" to shorten the life of an expensive engine from limited lubrication for the benefit of airplane cleanup.

[link=http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/articles/oil_test/]http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/articles/oil_test/[/link]

coony2787

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Well they didnt really give a reason, to quote the person on the phone " ooh klotz i wouldnt run that in anything ". Sure is funny that every shop that should carry 2 stroke oil carries klotz, but none of them carry amsoil.
I'am also having a hard time mixing oil @ a 100:1 ratio. That just aint much oil!!! I have run my ZDZ's @ 50:1 on klotz for 2 years now. I have taken one of them apart just to take a look, and it still looked new inside with 150 flights on the engine. Not much carbon build either.
On the other hand i have a hard time going against what the manfacture says to put in there engine. They know it better than i do. RC showcase says to use any quaility syntehtic oil and that klotz was a top notch oil.

I just cant deciede what to do. I will read the link above and see if can draw a conclusion from that.... Thanks for all the input guys

Chad

flyinrazrback

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I really like the bel ray MC-1 50:1 in everything I own.

splais

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I do not understand why people continue, over and over again, to argue with or question what a manufacturer recommends, or try to rationalize why they should use something else. Desert Aircraft has everyone covered. If you do not like the 100:1 idea, as I don't, then use their recommended Belray H1R at 50:1 and be happy.

flyinrazrback

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what is the difference between the Hr1 and the MC-1?

coony2787

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Well my problem is that i dont like to have to order the oil. I want to walk into a shop and pick it up. There is no one here in MS. that carries any of the oil's they recomend. When i called DA they didnt even have any in stock [X(].

After reading the above link i have deceide to run 50:1 amsoil , the 100:1 looks to me to not be enough oil. So now all i have to do is find some

Chad

flyinrazrback

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get the 50:1 premix amsoil, do not run 100:1 at 50:1

splais

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Chad, you may try calling around to some of the mortorcycle shops in your area. Especially the private or off brand shops. That is were I found the H1R locally.

razer, I have tried to determine that. Even asked at a shop that has both. On the Belray site they seem like almost the same thing. I was told by one shop mechanic that the H1R burns cleaner than MC-1. One of these days I will call Belray and ask. Personally I think the H1R is just "newer" and whatever that means.

steve

flyinrazrback

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splais, the only thing I have seen different is one is red and one is blue lol. The H1R says 50:1 or richer, and the MC-1 says 50:1 or leaner. So, in theory if you ran both at 50:1 they should be the same, I have both of them, havent tried the H1R, maybe I will try that or the redline I have in my 157 when it finishes its break in.

aviti

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I asked the difference between MC-1 and H1-R a while ago and never got a good answer. I have a DA 100 just finishing break in and I am going with the MC-1. Only reason is I read that long test someone did on here and the H1-R ran hotter (before needles were adjusted) and it burned more fuel. Since a lot of guys have been running MC-1 for a while I decided to go that route. DA said either Bel Ray was fine and when I called them, they said the same thing, whatever oil you use, don't use KLOTZ. They didn't give a reason, just said to trust them on that. I think others on here though have had success with KLOTZ so who knows!

Kweasel

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Klotz makes many flavors of oil. I spoke with a klotz rep about applications and he said the kl100 and kl200 was hydroscopic and did not recomend it for gasoline. He suggested their Skicraft for low temp and R50 for high temp applications.

BBW Walt

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DA reccomends what DA sells. I have 2- DA's that have had nothing but KLOTZ run through them. I can refer you to numerous others running the same. This is the only oil I have used for years, no reason to change. I can also say the absolute strongest DA-100 I've seen was broke in on KL-310 and has had a bunch run through it. Asking DA about KLOTZ is like asking them if my 3W will run as good as a DA. Maybe Mobile will tell me Shell is good gas. Don't ask them ask Joe consumer that runs both, I do on KLOTZ KL-310, 50-1.......

Geistware

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After looking at the two post included below, the following was found.
Super TechniPlate KL-100 (Gas & Glow) (20% Caster Blend)
Original TechniPlate KL-200 (alcohol lubricant) (RC 2/4 stroke engines)
R/C ModelLube TechniPlate KL-310 (specifically for RC Gas Cars, Boats, Planes, and Heli)

From the tech sheets and data, the only Klotz of the three that I would ever use would be the 310.
If I was a DA rep and I had customers who didn't know the difference, I would say not to use it as well!

splais

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It is probably true that a manufacturers suggested oil is not the ONLY oil that will work. But to assume that a manufacturer is recommending an oil just because he sells it is silly. He sells it because he has found it works the best. I'm relatively sure DA could carry and sell any brand of oil they want too. All things being considered, and taking the reputation of the company into considertion, I think you are better off following a manufacturers recommendations.

coony2787

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Well done a little checking today and made a call to the Klotz company. I asked them what made amsoil so great , ( hehe) and to my suprise they said they would not down grade amsoil , but that Klotz was a better oil than amsoil. I also asked why DA recomened amsoil and not klotz. The bottom line was that amsoil sponsored DA. Also he said that klotz also sponsors company's and that they do the same in oil recomendations. Makes sense to me. It all comes back to that ford chevy thing !!! They will all work just make your choice and stick with it!!

Chad

karolh

Got this info from their web site and their Tech Dude. Pretty much the same specs for both, but the HR 1 is specifically designed for power valve engines, is red in colour and recommended at a mixing ratio of between 30 - 50 :1, while the MC 1 is blue green and recommended at a mixing ratio of 50 - 80:1.

Karol

AU flyer

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Hey Razrback, it's me again. You threw me a curve on the don't run 100:1 mixed at 50:1. My bottle of 100:1 has a chart for mixing at 100:1. 80:1 and 50:1. I have been mixing it at 50:1 and running it in my DA50 and Brison 3.2 just trying to split the difference between what the two manuf suggested. Now I have to figure out what to run in a 3W106 also.

flyinrazrback

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All I know is that amsoil makes a premix 50:1 and 100:1, I am pretty sure they are a little different, but dont quote me on that. If I was going to run amsoil at 50:1, I would get the 50:1 premix instead of the 100:1. I run Belray MC-1 in my 3Ws, but on my 157 I am going to try the motul 800 as I have some once its broken in