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    RE: WACO YMF

    How 'bout that wrapping job, huh? That could be a new gig for me later.
    Everybody knows you can\'\'t make a time machine out of a Tilt-A-Whirl.........-:WACO Brotherhood 25:-

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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: damifino

    I think the aluminum gear KHODGES and I are doing for his COX arf will lend itself to the correct appearance rather well.
    A small detail, to be sure, but one of the things I noticed about the gear on the full-size vs the model is that the rear of the fairing on the model joins the fuse forward of, or just at the lower wing L.E., where the full scale's joins behind it, under the wing root. I hope to make the aluminum gear mimic that a bit closer; easier to describe with pics once the mod is done. I need to get my arse moving and send Jay my drawings. I also worked on a horseshoe-style tailwheel fork, more accurate for the majority of all types of WACO's than the squared one that the Classic/Super used, so it can be used for YMF, UPF, UBF, or even the cabin models.

    'Stalker---there's lots of things in rural Tenn that are noisy, fast, and low. Most of 'em are for running moonshine, though.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    Ken,

    Small details add up to make the whole thing right. Here's a picture of YMF Classic, NC 14081, that shows the detail you are talking about. Also note that the rear edge of the fairing is screwed together.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    You keep posting those pics, man, I'm gonna have to come out there, again I could easily become a "hangar gypsy" at CCA, just wandering from one to the other. If you hear of next year's fly-in date, let me know. I gotta get my vacation time reserved.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    [quote]ORIGINAL: khodges


    ORIGINAL: damifino

    'Stalker---there's lots of things in rural Tenn that are noisy, fast, and low. Most of 'em are for running moonshine, though.

    LT.!!! That was a VERY classified operation... that whole thing about a routine training mission in and around Hendersonville, TN... Man... so much for OPSEC... we intentionally blew the barn down to sling-load out the Master Chief's stil... but it was EMPTY... Negtive contact, OVER... seems all his chickens and milk cows drained it before H-hour... and then there we were... in Clarksville at 4:30 AM drinkin' warm pitchers of beer (no 'shine) and likin' it... not our best night

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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: damifino

    I think the aluminum gear KHODGES and I are doing for his COX arf will lend itself to the correct appearance rather well. Among the many other things I have unfinished is a mod to the PICA based build that will allow aluminum gear to be attached while retaining the stringers and F-6(?) former. I will definitely share the mod with you guys as it is mocked up and hopefully implemented into my project. I fly my stuff a good bit and the permanent nature of the stock PICA set-up makes me a little nervous.

    Ken and Jay --
    If you guys want to make up anpther set of gear for the Cox ARF while you're doing yuors, I'll be glad to buy it from you!
    Thanks
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    RE: WACO YMF

    Ken,

    Same time, same place next year. You are welcome to come out anytime. I took over 180 pictures of the YMF, over 90 pictures of the DH-4/Desmond, over 60 of UBF-2 Texaco and a whole bunch more adding up to over 1000 pictures total. You took a bunch yourself. One of the neat things about CCA is that it is dynamic, in that things are always changing as planes are restored, bought/sold and events like the Waco Fly In are held. Ask for a picture of a certain part of the YMF, I probably have it.
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    RE: WACO YMF


    Ken, I love the detail on your model, (post 2953) particularly the way that you faked up that pilot dummy to resemble a typical WACO model owner!



    old git - - - - - - aka John L.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    How about some photo's of the landing gear leg fairings and cuffs.....Please...

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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: damifino


    For God's sake, is that night in Tennessee the ONLY exciting thing you did as a Dog???????
    Absolutely - everyone knows that the 160th very rarely strayed too far from Ft. Campbell... except these times[8D]

    http://www.nightstalkers.com/history/6.html

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Bill,

    Here you go, remember these are of a 1987 YMF-5 Classic, not an original 1934 YMF;
    1 – Inside of wheel pant
    2 – Front view
    3 – Inside of wheel pant, ¾ front
    4 – Upper outside of right fairing to leading edge of wing
    5 – Top of pant, lower fairing, and gap for oleo movement
    6 – Front view of left, inside of right fairings
    7 – Inside right fairing
    8 – Right side of tail wheel fairing and the tow hook for banners and sailplanes



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    RE: WACO YMF

    How about a picture of the rudder and elevator showing the style of rib stitching they may have used etc?

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Hughes,

    Didn’t have any shots that the show the stitching well, but here is what I do have of YMF Classic, NC 14081:
    1 – Wide shot of the rudder and elevator showing the 4 fairings, tail wheel, rear fuselage, rear rudder and forward rudder. Also note how thin the stabilizer/elevator is.
    2 – Closer view of the stabilizer/elevator. The airfoil is more of a long diamond than curved.
    3 – Shot of the ground adjustable rudder tab.
    4 – Not the best shot of the rudder stitching, but you can see the two rows of stitching and the top of the front fairing.
    5 – Close up of the front rudder fairing and stabilizer profile. The ribs are just straight back over the main stabilizer spar that runs diagonally from the front inner corner to just in front of the rear outer corner.
    6 – Elevator stitching can be seen. The shape of the rudder fairings can also be seen. Note rudder tab offset, rudder horns (w/springs and fairing over exit).
    7 – Elevator hinge, reinforcement patch and flying wire attachment point.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    My next one is going to be so good!

    Thanx a bunch!

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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: Hughes500E

    My next one is going to be so good!

    Thanx a bunch!
    I believe it!!!

    Thanks for the photo's John.

    I did the filler on the wing fillets on mine last night. This one should be the best one yet. I plan to make the Landing gear covers, spats and cuffs scale. Same with the fairings for the vertical stab, and the bottom of the wing as well. It sure is taking longer than any of the previous YMF's, but I think that the final result will be worth it.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Bill,

    Don't forget the reflex in the wing fairing bottom as shown in pic. 4, post 2860, page 143. It's another one of those little details .

    If you guys need higher resoultion pictures, send me your e-mail via PM and tell me which one you need (ie; picture #, post #, page#) and I can send them to you. Most picture are about 2-3 MB in size and it takes about 8 minutes per MB to send on dial up out here in the sticks.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    ORIGINAL: old git

    Ken, I love the detail on your model, (post 2953) particularly the way that you faked up that pilot dummy to resemble a typical WACO model owner!

    Old git - - - - - - aka John L.
    What--you mean the silly, spaced-out blank stare that comes from huffing too much Ca and / or dope fumes? I actually had a picture of Stickbuilder that I used for reference. I figured that with as many WACO's as he's built and has yet to build, he was as typical as you could get


    After thinking about your reference to that # post, I went back and looked to see what the picture was, I didn't remember posting the model. I guess I should apologize to John (skylarkmk1) for the comparison I made. NOT the spaced out look comment, but the reference to Stickbuilder comment

    MobyAl-- If Jay will do it, more than fine with me; this is for everybody. The model as built by Pica will need some mods to make the fuse around the gear mount more like the ARF, with a removable belly pan between the gear, but that might be handy to have, it will allow some access to the inside without having to remove the wings. I also gave Jay some drawings of my tailwheel fork, as well as a horseshoe-shaped one that is accurate for all other WACOs, including the cabin models (my squared-off one is only scale for the Classic and Super types). With a couple more pieces (Jay can figure it out) it can be made like the one for the 1/4 scale Palmer model.

    Pic 1 is the Palmer assembly, pic 2 is my original , pic 3 is the revised setup next to the first, unsprung one, and pic 4 is the revised sprung setup in place. Pic 5 is what I thought Old Git referred to in his post. The stare IS sort of similar.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    Hughes, these are UPF details, but if you can zoom them, there should be some helpful rib stitch detail, same/ similar to the YMF. I also included a couple of interesting shots from the inside of a wing, showing how the rib stitches lock together from top to bottom. On most of these finely finished planes, the stitching is fairly subtle, not readily noticeable unless you are close, or the sun catches the cover just right and makes the small irregularities stand out.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    excellent, many thanks!

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Hey Guys,

    I recently purchased a Pica 60 sized YMF, from a friend. The kit is complete except for the construction manual. Does anyone know where I might be able to pick one up or get a copy. There are a lot of things that are left unexplained on the plans. Thanks for any help you might be able to provide.
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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: skylarkmk1

    Bill,

    Don't forget the reflex in the wing fairing bottom as shown in pic. 4, post 2860, page 143. It's another one of those little details .
    John,

    Did the original YMF have that reflex, or is that part of the Classic? I don't recall my Grandfather's YMF having that. Seems that the rear portion of the fairing came in a bit lower, say one stringer lower. Could be a result of a faulty memory, or it could be the case.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    You can get a copy of the manual by contacting SkylarkMk1. He has the manual available that you can access via this thread. You just need to look back a ways. The manual does not provide much information, but perhaps it will be helpful to you. Wanna be a Brother?

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    RE: WACO YMF


    ORIGINAL: khodges


    What--you mean the silly, spaced-out blank stare that comes from huffing too much Ca and / or dope fumes? I actually had a picture of Stickbuilder that I used for reference. I figured that with as many WACO's as he's built and has yet to build, he was as typical as you could get

    Ken,

    I got a little bent out of shape, but Janelle looked at the pic of your pilot, and did manage to see a little resemblance (Drat)[:@]

    Bill, AMA 4720
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    At least I don't have one posted in the Master Chief Suit.
    Its easy, just glue all the pieces together, and sand off everything that doesnt look like an airplane.

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    RE: WACO YMF

    Ron,

    Go to this thread's supplimental site http://www.houseofmoy.com/waco/ . There you can find the short, 17 page revised manual in PDF format and download a copy. I hope to get the more detailed, long 45 page manual revised and posted soon.
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    RE: WACO YMF

    Bill,

    I can't say for sure, having never seen an original YMF/UMF, just the Classic, NC 14081, but you could be correct. Look at the 2 pictures I have attached. The 1st is NC 14081 and the rear tip of the fairing appears shorter and like you said, one stringer higher. The second picture is from the NWC files of a 1937 Cuban Navy UMF, the tip appears longer and lower. I haven't found a picture that shows the underside of an original YMF/UMF.
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