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04-08-2011, 07:12 AM
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ORIGINAL: BuschBarber
I wasn't trying to start a Brand War. Telemetry is being offered by Hitec as well as Spektrum.
I wasn't trying to start a Brand War. Telemetry is being offered by Hitec as well as Spektrum.
One of my fellow club members has the A9. While flying, he received the Low Rx Battery warning from his Telemetry. He was able to land safely. For that reason alone, it is worthwhile having the Telemetry.
My first Futaba radio did not have Servo Reversing, D/R, Expo, Mixing, LCD Display, Timers, Digital Trim. Did you go into your Futaba Tx and disable all those because they had no value?
04-08-2011, 07:48 AM
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ORIGINAL: blikseme300
I second MinnFlyer's opinion.
Most pilots I have encountered over the years don't even do a proper pre-flight check of their aircraft. So telemetry is supposed to help these people to not wipe out? Yeah, right!
Do some research and find out that all too often 1:1 scale crashes were due to the pilot not heeding the warnings his/her instruments were announcing. The monkey on the stick will still make the dumb moves regardless of the instruments.
Telemetry for R/C flying is a solution looking for a problem, IMHO. The marketing people love it as they always do. Bells and whistles always dazzle the purchasing public. Real functionality and reality are not considered when purchasing decisions are made. BTW, certain contest rules prohibit the use of this kind of technology.
You makes your choices and you pays your money. It is a free country and I made my choice. Flame away if you so choose.
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Well, you can count me as one of those people who feel that telemetry is a lot of BS.
I mean, you've got a plane flying at 80MPH and you're going to take your eyes off it to see how much battery power you have?
How often do you check yout transmitter battery WHILE you're flying? And you don't even need telemetry to do that.
Well, you can count me as one of those people who feel that telemetry is a lot of BS.
I mean, you've got a plane flying at 80MPH and you're going to take your eyes off it to see how much battery power you have?
How often do you check yout transmitter battery WHILE you're flying? And you don't even need telemetry to do that.
Most pilots I have encountered over the years don't even do a proper pre-flight check of their aircraft. So telemetry is supposed to help these people to not wipe out? Yeah, right!
Do some research and find out that all too often 1:1 scale crashes were due to the pilot not heeding the warnings his/her instruments were announcing. The monkey on the stick will still make the dumb moves regardless of the instruments.
Telemetry for R/C flying is a solution looking for a problem, IMHO. The marketing people love it as they always do. Bells and whistles always dazzle the purchasing public. Real functionality and reality are not considered when purchasing decisions are made. BTW, certain contest rules prohibit the use of this kind of technology.
You makes your choices and you pays your money. It is a free country and I made my choice. Flame away if you so choose.
Bliksem
Now let me think: How many people do I know that would want to download to a PC the telemetry data. Mmmmmm non to zero. Running out of juice one of the new hi power batteries? Really? In flight?
I can see a stalled servo killing a battery (or staring a fire) in a short period of time. Then the telemetry could tell me: Run for cover! But what if a cable loosens? Will the telemetry say: you are dead, duck!
Said that, I give it the benefit of the doubt. Let's try it when it comes out in my next Futaba. An yes, I will not update until Futaba has the gadget included:-) I bet it will be soon.
Gerry
04-08-2011, 11:36 AM
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RE: FUTABA Telemetry
ORIGINAL: BuschBarber
With the Voice Module, the DX8 Telemetry speaks the parameters to you or your iPhone.
Telemetry has it's value.
ORIGINAL: MinnFlyer
Well, you can count me as one of those people who feel that telemetry is a lot of BS.
I mean, you've got a plane flying at 80MPH and you're going to take your eyes off it to see how much battery power you have?
How often do you check yout transmitter battery WHILE you're flying? And you don't even need telemetry to do that.
Well, you can count me as one of those people who feel that telemetry is a lot of BS.
I mean, you've got a plane flying at 80MPH and you're going to take your eyes off it to see how much battery power you have?
How often do you check yout transmitter battery WHILE you're flying? And you don't even need telemetry to do that.
Telemetry has it's value.
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With the Futaba 8FG at 479.00, I can't wait to see what they want to charge after adding telemetry! This, in my opinion, is Futaba's biggest problem. They got comfortable being unchallenged and could charge more. I have owned a Futaba 6XHs and a 7C and loved them both. I have no brand loyalty. I want the best bang for my buck, period. I recently bought a DX8 (365.00 brand new with telemetry module). I researched radios for a month and in the end Spektrum won hands down as best bang for MY buck. If Futaba offered a radio at a "reasonable" price (see 480.00 + Spektrum modulefor BNF and no telemetry vs 365.00 with BNF andtelemetry) I probably would have went with Futaba. Futaba also charges much more for their receivers. If Futaba keeps counting on brand loyalty, they may be in for a rude awakening. I also don't buy that Futaba's quality is far above the rest; not in this day and age of technology. I have used my Futaba radios for years with no problems and I also fly five planes and helis with my Spektrum with no problems. On a final note, and I mean absolutely no disrespect, but the majority of people I see still purchasing Futaba in my area are the older generation. Almost all the younger guys areusing Spektrum radios as well as using BNF aircraft. Sorry for the long post, it has been a slow day! 
04-08-2011, 01:13 PM
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RE: FUTABA Telemetry
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With the Futaba 8FG at 479.00, I can't wait to see what they want to charge after adding telemetry! This, in my opinion, is Futaba's biggest problem. They got comfortable being unchallenged and could charge more. I have owned a Futaba 6XHs and a 7C and loved them both. I have no brand loyalty. I want the best bang for my buck, period. I recently bought a DX8 (365.00 brand new with telemetry module). I researched radios for a month and in the end Spektrum won hands down as best bang for MY buck. If Futaba offered a radio at a "reasonable" price (see 480.00 + Spektrum modulefor BNF and no telemetry vs 365.00 with BNF andtelemetry) I probably would have went with Futaba. Futaba also charges much more for their receivers. If Futaba keeps counting on brand loyalty, they may be in for a rude awakening. I also don't buy that Futaba's quality is far above the rest; not in this day and age of technology. I have used my Futaba radios for years with no problems and I also fly five planes and helis with my Spektrum with no problems. On a final note, and I mean absolutely no disrespect, but the majority of people I see still purchasing Futaba in my area are the older generation. Almost all the younger guys areusing Spektrum radios as well as using BNF aircraft. Sorry for the long post, it has been a slow day!
With the Futaba 8FG at 479.00, I can't wait to see what they want to charge after adding telemetry! This, in my opinion, is Futaba's biggest problem. They got comfortable being unchallenged and could charge more. I have owned a Futaba 6XHs and a 7C and loved them both. I have no brand loyalty. I want the best bang for my buck, period. I recently bought a DX8 (365.00 brand new with telemetry module). I researched radios for a month and in the end Spektrum won hands down as best bang for MY buck. If Futaba offered a radio at a "reasonable" price (see 480.00 + Spektrum modulefor BNF and no telemetry vs 365.00 with BNF andtelemetry) I probably would have went with Futaba. Futaba also charges much more for their receivers. If Futaba keeps counting on brand loyalty, they may be in for a rude awakening. I also don't buy that Futaba's quality is far above the rest; not in this day and age of technology. I have used my Futaba radios for years with no problems and I also fly five planes and helis with my Spektrum with no problems. On a final note, and I mean absolutely no disrespect, but the majority of people I see still purchasing Futaba in my area are the older generation. Almost all the younger guys areusing Spektrum radios as well as using BNF aircraft. Sorry for the long post, it has been a slow day!
Slow day here as well so be prepared for a rambling story. ;-))
I understand where you are coming from in terms of price as our budgets do help guide our decisions. Doing comparisons of different brands based on what the equivalent models offer is not easy or accurate, IMHO. On the surface these units might appear to be equivalent but functionally some products may be superior, or not.
I do find the price comparisons of Spektrum vs Futaba RX's odd as there is no requirement for any additional satellite units when using Futaba 2.4 units. I don't consider the cost difference between brands to be an issue as the overall cost of any of my larger aircraft will vary by a few percentage points only when RX's prices are considered.
About a year ago I went through the process of studying the 2.4 systems available in order to choose my next generation radio. This was a little more complex than for most, I think, as I have been using 9Z's for more than a decade. There was no way I would consider anything less capable but I am no brand loyalist either and will go with what I consider the best fit for me. After much reading and some hands-on with some of the units I considered I chose the 12Z as my best fit. I have been asked why technology which some call old? I call it mature and I very seldom buy anything that might be bleeding edge.
At the time I was looking Spektrum had nothing that touches the 9Z in functionality so it was out. The JR units looked good, but their 2.4 offerings did not grab my attention. I know the field has changed in the last year and there is more choices than ever before. 2.4 appears to have matured and will be around for a long time.
As for the BNF units, I have a DX7 for those. It is a nice unit but I would not consider it for my larger aircraft mainly due to the TX not having some functions I require.
Would I chose the 12Z today considering the new offerings with telemetry? Yes, I would. My basic requirement is a capable transmitter and rock-solid radio link with my aircraft. Telemetry I have no requirement for and don't forsee this to become neccessary in the future. But I have changed my mind before, who knows?
Safe flying
Bliksem
Oh BTW, some people do consider me an old f@rt
04-08-2011, 01:26 PM
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RE: FUTABA Telemetry
I noticed it mentioned that the low voltage failsafe would somehow save a plane that has had a battery go weak. I am reasonably certain that a plane that has had failsafe kick in from a low RX battery is uncontrollable from the ground. Been flying RC for 40 years a great deal of that on Futaba and absolutely believe they have the best menu system out there but sheez, come one, the truth is the truth. Once the receiver battery has gone down past the point of servo function it's over. Kiss that one goodbye.
04-08-2011, 02:09 PM
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I noticed it mentioned that the low voltage failsafe would somehow save a plane that has had a battery go weak. I am reasonably certain that a plane that has had failsafe kick in from a low RX battery is uncontrollable from the ground. Been flying RC for 40 years a great deal of that on Futaba and absolutely believe they have the best menu system out there but sheez, come one, the truth is the truth. Once the receiver battery has gone down past the point of servo function it's over. Kiss that one goodbye.
I noticed it mentioned that the low voltage failsafe would somehow save a plane that has had a battery go weak. I am reasonably certain that a plane that has had failsafe kick in from a low RX battery is uncontrollable from the ground. Been flying RC for 40 years a great deal of that on Futaba and absolutely believe they have the best menu system out there but sheez, come one, the truth is the truth. Once the receiver battery has gone down past the point of servo function it's over. Kiss that one goodbye.
04-08-2011, 02:49 PM
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Mike,
Slow day here as well so be prepared for a rambling story. ;-))
I understand where you are coming from in terms of price as our budgets do help guide our decisions. Doing comparisons of different brands based on what the equivalent models offer is not easy or accurate, IMHO. On the surface these units might appear to be equivalent but functionally some products may be superior, or not.
I do find the price comparisons of Spektrum vs Futaba RX's odd as there is no requirement for any additional satellite units when using Futaba 2.4 units. I don't consider the cost difference between brands to be an issue as the overall cost of any of my larger aircraft will vary by a few percentage points only when RX's prices are considered.
About a year ago I went through the process of studying the 2.4 systems available in order to choose my next generation radio. This was a little more complex than for most, I think, as I have been using 9Z's for more than a decade. There was no way I would consider anything less capable but I am no brand loyalist either and will go with what I consider the best fit for me. After much reading and some hands-on with some of the units I considered I chose the 12Z as my best fit. I have been asked why technology which some call old? I call it mature and I very seldom buy anything that might be bleeding edge.
At the time I was looking Spektrum had nothing that touches the 9Z in functionality so it was out. The JR units looked good, but their 2.4 offerings did not grab my attention. I know the field has changed in the last year and there is more choices than ever before. 2.4 appears to have matured and will be around for a long time.
As for the BNF units, I have a DX7 for those. It is a nice unit but I would not consider it for my larger aircraft mainly due to the TX not having some functions I require.
Would I chose the 12Z today considering the new offerings with telemetry? Yes, I would. My basic requirement is a capable transmitter and rock-solid radio link with my aircraft. Telemetry I have no requirement for and don't forsee this to become neccessary in the future. But I have changed my mind before, who knows?
Safe flying
Bliksem
Oh BTW, some people do consider me an old f@rt
ORIGINAL: mike1974
With the Futaba 8FG at 479.00, I can't wait to see what they want to charge after adding telemetry! This, in my opinion, is Futaba's biggest problem. They got comfortable being unchallenged and could charge more. I have owned a Futaba 6XHs and a 7C and loved them both. I have no brand loyalty. I want the best bang for my buck, period. I recently bought a DX8 (365.00 brand new with telemetry module). I researched radios for a month and in the end Spektrum won hands down as best bang for MY buck. If Futaba offered a radio at a "reasonable" price (see 480.00 + Spektrum modulefor BNF and no telemetry vs 365.00 with BNF andtelemetry) I probably would have went with Futaba. Futaba also charges much more for their receivers. If Futaba keeps counting on brand loyalty, they may be in for a rude awakening. I also don't buy that Futaba's quality is far above the rest; not in this day and age of technology. I have used my Futaba radios for years with no problems and I also fly five planes and helis with my Spektrum with no problems. On a final note, and I mean absolutely no disrespect, but the majority of people I see still purchasing Futaba in my area are the older generation. Almost all the younger guys areusing Spektrum radios as well as using BNF aircraft. Sorry for the long post, it has been a slow day!
With the Futaba 8FG at 479.00, I can't wait to see what they want to charge after adding telemetry! This, in my opinion, is Futaba's biggest problem. They got comfortable being unchallenged and could charge more. I have owned a Futaba 6XHs and a 7C and loved them both. I have no brand loyalty. I want the best bang for my buck, period. I recently bought a DX8 (365.00 brand new with telemetry module). I researched radios for a month and in the end Spektrum won hands down as best bang for MY buck. If Futaba offered a radio at a "reasonable" price (see 480.00 + Spektrum modulefor BNF and no telemetry vs 365.00 with BNF andtelemetry) I probably would have went with Futaba. Futaba also charges much more for their receivers. If Futaba keeps counting on brand loyalty, they may be in for a rude awakening. I also don't buy that Futaba's quality is far above the rest; not in this day and age of technology. I have used my Futaba radios for years with no problems and I also fly five planes and helis with my Spektrum with no problems. On a final note, and I mean absolutely no disrespect, but the majority of people I see still purchasing Futaba in my area are the older generation. Almost all the younger guys areusing Spektrum radios as well as using BNF aircraft. Sorry for the long post, it has been a slow day!
Slow day here as well so be prepared for a rambling story. ;-))
I understand where you are coming from in terms of price as our budgets do help guide our decisions. Doing comparisons of different brands based on what the equivalent models offer is not easy or accurate, IMHO. On the surface these units might appear to be equivalent but functionally some products may be superior, or not.
I do find the price comparisons of Spektrum vs Futaba RX's odd as there is no requirement for any additional satellite units when using Futaba 2.4 units. I don't consider the cost difference between brands to be an issue as the overall cost of any of my larger aircraft will vary by a few percentage points only when RX's prices are considered.
About a year ago I went through the process of studying the 2.4 systems available in order to choose my next generation radio. This was a little more complex than for most, I think, as I have been using 9Z's for more than a decade. There was no way I would consider anything less capable but I am no brand loyalist either and will go with what I consider the best fit for me. After much reading and some hands-on with some of the units I considered I chose the 12Z as my best fit. I have been asked why technology which some call old? I call it mature and I very seldom buy anything that might be bleeding edge.
At the time I was looking Spektrum had nothing that touches the 9Z in functionality so it was out. The JR units looked good, but their 2.4 offerings did not grab my attention. I know the field has changed in the last year and there is more choices than ever before. 2.4 appears to have matured and will be around for a long time.
As for the BNF units, I have a DX7 for those. It is a nice unit but I would not consider it for my larger aircraft mainly due to the TX not having some functions I require.
Would I chose the 12Z today considering the new offerings with telemetry? Yes, I would. My basic requirement is a capable transmitter and rock-solid radio link with my aircraft. Telemetry I have no requirement for and don't forsee this to become neccessary in the future. But I have changed my mind before, who knows?
Safe flying
Bliksem
Oh BTW, some people do consider me an old f@rt
I definitely was not picking on Futaba, I just think they try to charge a little too much for the product they are offering. I kind of view it like a landline. The phone companies charge a ton for the same services you can get for 25.00 from Vonage. They enjoyed a huge market share for a long time and could charge alot. I think Futaba makes great quality equipment.
I only have one BNF heli, the rest are nitro planes and helis. I just like the option of the BNF built in. And while telemetry is not a big deal, it sure is cool.
I am a gadget guy.I am eeking closer to fourty, so I am no spring chicken myself.
04-08-2011, 03:05 PM
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35 posts in and there is still no mention of a Futaba telemetry system, even via unsubstantiated rumor. You'd think someone would have made something up at least, just to keep the conversation interesting.
I have a really good buddy who's cousin just drove through Champaign last month. A waiter at the Rainbow Garden restaurant on South Neil (I looked that up in an online yellow pages site to add authenticity to the rumor that I'm starting) told my buddy's cousin that he overheard two guys from Hobbico talking at lunch one day a couple of weeks ago.
It turns out that Futaba is launching telemetry with the new T6J radio system due stateside early next month. The "T" in T6J stands for telemetry, or something, and Hobbico is trying to keep quiet about it until they can clear out their existing inventory of 6EX and 7C radio systems. Futaba is partnering with Google to develop a whole suite of Android/Chrome applications to use with the new telemetry system, and they were going to start shipping the 8FG Super with Telemetry, but the delay of Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) screwed up the shipping schedule. Futaba figures that the iPhone is about as obsolete as DSM2 now, so they wanted to stay out in front of the technology curve.
The telemetry features are already built in to all of the new Futaba S-Bus receivers. The telemetry upgrade for the 8FG radio system should be available for download about the same time that the T6J starts shipping here in North America. There will be real time data available for speed, receiver battery voltage, fuel capacity, current draw (peak and average), altitude, gps, engine temperature, optical tachometer, glow plug temperature, real time glow/gas engine compression monitoring, real time motor/ESC power efficiency monitoring for brushless electric setups, and even receiver monitoring of the transmitter battery voltage so the receiver can go into failsafe if the transmitter battery drops below a preset threshold.
All of the usual voice features will be available at launch, plus there will be a number of new voice features not seen before, but only if you have an Android phone. One particularly cool application is called "Crash Warm Cold." After a crash, your plane will call your Android phone and use the GPS information from your phone and the telemetry system to tell you if you're getting warmer or colder while you're out searching for the wreck. It's going to be a huge boon for Futaba, making plane crashes more whimsical and fun than ever before!
There will be a telemetry upload function built into Real Flight G6 that will allow you to export your telemetry data to your flight simulator so your simulator can recreate your flights for you with real time 3D rendering for play back and for advanced aerobatic training. You'll be able to go out and practice your pattern or IMAC schedule and then see how did later when you get home.
There's probably a lot more coming out, too, but that's all I feel like making up for right now. It's going to be awesome!!!
I have a really good buddy who's cousin just drove through Champaign last month. A waiter at the Rainbow Garden restaurant on South Neil (I looked that up in an online yellow pages site to add authenticity to the rumor that I'm starting) told my buddy's cousin that he overheard two guys from Hobbico talking at lunch one day a couple of weeks ago.
It turns out that Futaba is launching telemetry with the new T6J radio system due stateside early next month. The "T" in T6J stands for telemetry, or something, and Hobbico is trying to keep quiet about it until they can clear out their existing inventory of 6EX and 7C radio systems. Futaba is partnering with Google to develop a whole suite of Android/Chrome applications to use with the new telemetry system, and they were going to start shipping the 8FG Super with Telemetry, but the delay of Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) screwed up the shipping schedule. Futaba figures that the iPhone is about as obsolete as DSM2 now, so they wanted to stay out in front of the technology curve.
The telemetry features are already built in to all of the new Futaba S-Bus receivers. The telemetry upgrade for the 8FG radio system should be available for download about the same time that the T6J starts shipping here in North America. There will be real time data available for speed, receiver battery voltage, fuel capacity, current draw (peak and average), altitude, gps, engine temperature, optical tachometer, glow plug temperature, real time glow/gas engine compression monitoring, real time motor/ESC power efficiency monitoring for brushless electric setups, and even receiver monitoring of the transmitter battery voltage so the receiver can go into failsafe if the transmitter battery drops below a preset threshold.
All of the usual voice features will be available at launch, plus there will be a number of new voice features not seen before, but only if you have an Android phone. One particularly cool application is called "Crash Warm Cold." After a crash, your plane will call your Android phone and use the GPS information from your phone and the telemetry system to tell you if you're getting warmer or colder while you're out searching for the wreck. It's going to be a huge boon for Futaba, making plane crashes more whimsical and fun than ever before!
There will be a telemetry upload function built into Real Flight G6 that will allow you to export your telemetry data to your flight simulator so your simulator can recreate your flights for you with real time 3D rendering for play back and for advanced aerobatic training. You'll be able to go out and practice your pattern or IMAC schedule and then see how did later when you get home.
There's probably a lot more coming out, too, but that's all I feel like making up for right now. It's going to be awesome!!!
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rpm, current, voltage (capacity), fuel gauge, GPS at first.
More to follow. it looks like they will also offer sensor suites for Heli's or fixed wing or gliders.
More to follow. it looks like they will also offer sensor suites for Heli's or fixed wing or gliders.
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35 posts in and there is still no mention of a Futaba telemetry system, even via unsubstantiated rumor. You'd think someone would have made something up at least, just to keep the conversation interesting.
I have a really good buddy who's cousin just drove through Champaign last month. A waiter at the Rainbow Garden restaurant on South Neil (I looked that up in an online yellow pages site to add authenticity to the rumor that I'm starting) told my buddy's cousin that he overheard two guys from Hobbico talking at lunch one day a couple of weeks ago.
It turns out that Futaba is launching telemetry with the new T6J radio system due stateside early next month. The "T" in T6J stands for telemetry, or something, and Hobbico is trying to keep quiet about it until they can clear out their existing inventory of 6EX and 7C radio systems. Futaba is partnering with Google to develop a whole suite of Android/Chrome applications to use with the new telemetry system, and they were going to start shipping the 8FG Super with Telemetry, but the delay of Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) screwed up the shipping schedule. Futaba figures that the iPhone is about as obsolete as DSM2 now, so they wanted to stay out in front of the technology curve.
The telemetry features are already built in to all of the new Futaba S-Bus receivers. The telemetry upgrade for the 8FG radio system should be available for download about the same time that the T6J starts shipping here in North America. There will be real time data available for speed, receiver battery voltage, fuel capacity, current draw (peak and average), altitude, gps, engine temperature, optical tachometer, glow plug temperature, real time glow/gas engine compression monitoring, real time motor/ESC power efficiency monitoring for brushless electric setups, and even receiver monitoring of the transmitter battery voltage so the receiver can go into failsafe if the transmitter battery drops below a preset threshold.
All of the usual voice features will be available at launch, plus there will be a number of new voice features not seen before, but only if you have an Android phone. One particularly cool application is called "Crash Warm Cold." After a crash, your plane will call your Android phone and use the GPS information from your phone and the telemetry system to tell you if you're getting warmer or colder while you're out searching for the wreck. It's going to be a huge boon for Futaba, making plane crashes more whimsical and fun than ever before!
There will be a telemetry upload function built into Real Flight G6 that will allow you to export your telemetry data to your flight simulator so your simulator can recreate your flights for you with real time 3D rendering for play back and for advanced aerobatic training. You'll be able to go out and practice your pattern or IMAC schedule and then see how did later when you get home.
There's probably a lot more coming out, too, but that's all I feel like making up for right now. It's going to be awesome!!!
35 posts in and there is still no mention of a Futaba telemetry system, even via unsubstantiated rumor. You'd think someone would have made something up at least, just to keep the conversation interesting.
I have a really good buddy who's cousin just drove through Champaign last month. A waiter at the Rainbow Garden restaurant on South Neil (I looked that up in an online yellow pages site to add authenticity to the rumor that I'm starting) told my buddy's cousin that he overheard two guys from Hobbico talking at lunch one day a couple of weeks ago.
It turns out that Futaba is launching telemetry with the new T6J radio system due stateside early next month. The "T" in T6J stands for telemetry, or something, and Hobbico is trying to keep quiet about it until they can clear out their existing inventory of 6EX and 7C radio systems. Futaba is partnering with Google to develop a whole suite of Android/Chrome applications to use with the new telemetry system, and they were going to start shipping the 8FG Super with Telemetry, but the delay of Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) screwed up the shipping schedule. Futaba figures that the iPhone is about as obsolete as DSM2 now, so they wanted to stay out in front of the technology curve.
The telemetry features are already built in to all of the new Futaba S-Bus receivers. The telemetry upgrade for the 8FG radio system should be available for download about the same time that the T6J starts shipping here in North America. There will be real time data available for speed, receiver battery voltage, fuel capacity, current draw (peak and average), altitude, gps, engine temperature, optical tachometer, glow plug temperature, real time glow/gas engine compression monitoring, real time motor/ESC power efficiency monitoring for brushless electric setups, and even receiver monitoring of the transmitter battery voltage so the receiver can go into failsafe if the transmitter battery drops below a preset threshold.
All of the usual voice features will be available at launch, plus there will be a number of new voice features not seen before, but only if you have an Android phone. One particularly cool application is called "Crash Warm Cold." After a crash, your plane will call your Android phone and use the GPS information from your phone and the telemetry system to tell you if you're getting warmer or colder while you're out searching for the wreck. It's going to be a huge boon for Futaba, making plane crashes more whimsical and fun than ever before!
There will be a telemetry upload function built into Real Flight G6 that will allow you to export your telemetry data to your flight simulator so your simulator can recreate your flights for you with real time 3D rendering for play back and for advanced aerobatic training. You'll be able to go out and practice your pattern or IMAC schedule and then see how did later when you get home.
There's probably a lot more coming out, too, but that's all I feel like making up for right now. It's going to be awesome!!!
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04-08-2011, 04:33 PM
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To me Telemetry in a model is like seat belts in a car. You hope you never need it. Being used to driving a car with a seat belt, I feel odd and something missing, if I drive for a short distance without the seat belt. I have used JR gear for many years and have just changed over to Hitec Aurora. Flying the JR now I get ther feeling something is missing and it is comforting to be able to check Receiver voltage on the Hitec either at the beginning or end of a flight. All the same I did no change to the Hitec because of the telemetry and it certainly is not necessary.
04-08-2011, 07:46 PM
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At Toledo Winged Shadow was showing their new How High RT module that will report live altitude to both the Aurora 9 and DX8 telemetry equipped transmitters.
They indicated at the show that they were working on getting their Thermal Scout ready for real time lift/sink telemetry. They are hopeful to do this via a firmware change to the current Thermal Scout.
I currently use both devices on my sailplane. To indicate lift their current Thermal Scout wags the tail of my sailplane. And the How High unit captures the highest altitude for read out after the flight.
But when altitude and thermal activity become real time through telemetry built into a transmitter system that is going to add a lot to my soaring experiences.
At Toledo the Futaba people that I talked to were really tight lipped about any telemetry capabilities coming in the future.
Hopefully Futaba will announce something soon on their telemetry entry.
Todd
They indicated at the show that they were working on getting their Thermal Scout ready for real time lift/sink telemetry. They are hopeful to do this via a firmware change to the current Thermal Scout.
I currently use both devices on my sailplane. To indicate lift their current Thermal Scout wags the tail of my sailplane. And the How High unit captures the highest altitude for read out after the flight.
But when altitude and thermal activity become real time through telemetry built into a transmitter system that is going to add a lot to my soaring experiences.
At Toledo the Futaba people that I talked to were really tight lipped about any telemetry capabilities coming in the future.
Hopefully Futaba will announce something soon on their telemetry entry.
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04-08-2011, 08:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: rmh
rollers and telemetry don't really go together
(about the transition -you mean reversing roll?- That takes lots of practice- almost as much a single 360 degree roll)
anyway for electric gliders- or other electricc powered stuff - the telemetry is VERY nice
On your 80/160 cc stuff (assuming you are using gasoline engines)telemetry can help get best prop results and best operating temp results .
Don't kiss it off if you have not tried it.
ORIGINAL: rcairflr
I have never had a crash that telemetry would have save my airplane. The last crash I had was doing a rolling circle over the low grass area and when I transitioned over the wheat field my wing'tip
caught the wheat and a crash resulted. Maybe they will come out with a telemetry sensor that will give me an alarm for ''wheat field ahead, gain altitude''.
I have been flying since 1992 and again, as stated above have never had a crash that telemetry would have saved me, I build and fly 35% airplanes with high quality products and always maintain my batteries, so could you explain how telemetry has saved your ''planes'' (insinuating it has saved you more than once). If telemetry is saving your planes, than what is missing in your setup that you need it to save you?
I am not trying to argue against telemetry (each to his own), but I do think it is overrated by some.
ORIGINAL: AndyKunz
Actually, no. You can pick up a used Apple MP3 player and it will work too.
I'm with you - I enjoy flying. I really dislike crashing, and telemetry alarms from the DX8 have saved planes that I didn't know had problems.
I'm sold on it. But then, I'm biased, seeing I wrote the code.
Andy
ORIGINAL: MinnFlyer
So now I have to buy a new radio AND a phone that I don't want
So now I have to buy a new radio AND a phone that I don't want
Don't get me wrong, I can see where some people would want even more bells and whistles than they already have, it's just that personally, I would rather just enjoy flying 
I'm sold on it. But then, I'm biased, seeing I wrote the code.
Andy
I have never had a crash that telemetry would have save my airplane. The last crash I had was doing a rolling circle over the low grass area and when I transitioned over the wheat field my wing'tip
caught the wheat and a crash resulted. Maybe they will come out with a telemetry sensor that will give me an alarm for ''wheat field ahead, gain altitude''.
I have been flying since 1992 and again, as stated above have never had a crash that telemetry would have saved me, I build and fly 35% airplanes with high quality products and always maintain my batteries, so could you explain how telemetry has saved your ''planes'' (insinuating it has saved you more than once). If telemetry is saving your planes, than what is missing in your setup that you need it to save you?
I am not trying to argue against telemetry (each to his own), but I do think it is overrated by some.
(about the transition -you mean reversing roll?- That takes lots of practice- almost as much a single 360 degree roll)
anyway for electric gliders- or other electricc powered stuff - the telemetry is VERY nice
On your 80/160 cc stuff (assuming you are using gasoline engines)telemetry can help get best prop results and best operating temp results .
Don't kiss it off if you have not tried it.
Read my post again, where did I kiss it off?
04-08-2011, 09:29 PM
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At Toledo the Futaba people that I talked to were really tight lipped about any telemetry capabilities coming in the future.
At Toledo the Futaba people that I talked to were really tight lipped about any telemetry capabilities coming in the future.
04-09-2011, 05:34 AM
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We'll might all need it when the feds get done with us. Remember
100 mph, and 400' are a real posibility. I know of 2 clubs in Phoenix that have all ready been restricted to 400' by the Feds. Also another that has
placed a whole bunch of restrictions on it members. This is especially
enforced when a full scale aircraft (of which there quite a few) are spotted
in the aera.
Soon there could be signs to set your Altitude warning to 399' and speed warning to 99 mph, just like the signs at the gate that ask if your transmiter
is turned off.
04-09-2011, 05:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: bigedmustafa
35 posts in and there is still no mention of a Futaba telemetry system, even via unsubstantiated rumor. You'd think someone would have made something up at least, just to keep the conversation interesting.
All of the usual voice features will be available at launch, plus there will be a number of new voice features not seen before, but only if you have an Android phone. One particularly cool application is called ''Crash Warm Cold.'' After a crash, your plane will call your Android phone and use the GPS information from your phone and the telemetry system to tell you if you're getting warmer or colder while you're out searching for the wreck. It's going to be a huge boon for Futaba, making plane crashes more whimsical and fun than ever before!
35 posts in and there is still no mention of a Futaba telemetry system, even via unsubstantiated rumor. You'd think someone would have made something up at least, just to keep the conversation interesting.
All of the usual voice features will be available at launch, plus there will be a number of new voice features not seen before, but only if you have an Android phone. One particularly cool application is called ''Crash Warm Cold.'' After a crash, your plane will call your Android phone and use the GPS information from your phone and the telemetry system to tell you if you're getting warmer or colder while you're out searching for the wreck. It's going to be a huge boon for Futaba, making plane crashes more whimsical and fun than ever before!
Oh Nooo, people will start crashing in the cornfield just for fun now... all our members will be walking in the corn field talking to their airplanes. This is terrible! I wonder if the plane crashes int a tree, will we be able to talk it into jumping? We need more trees!
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04-09-2011, 08:27 AM
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We'll might all need it when the feds get done with us. Remember
100 mph, and 400' are a real posibility. I know of 2 clubs in Phoenix that have all ready been restricted to 400' by the Feds. Also another that has
placed a whole bunch of restrictions on it members. This is especially
enforced when a full scale aircraft (of which there quite a few) are spotted
in the aera.
Soon there could be signs to set your Altitude warning to 399' and speed warning to 99 mph, just like the signs at the gate that ask if your transmiter
is turned off.
We'll might all need it when the feds get done with us. Remember
100 mph, and 400' are a real posibility. I know of 2 clubs in Phoenix that have all ready been restricted to 400' by the Feds. Also another that has
placed a whole bunch of restrictions on it members. This is especially
enforced when a full scale aircraft (of which there quite a few) are spotted
in the aera.
Soon there could be signs to set your Altitude warning to 399' and speed warning to 99 mph, just like the signs at the gate that ask if your transmiter
is turned off.
Even if those limits are imposed I sincerely doubt the FAA will require telemetry to monitor them. Any enforcement is going to be in the way of the aftermath of an accident. So smack into a plane at 1,000 feet and you'll be in trouble for instance. But the FAA is not going to be at the field waiting for you to touch 401 feet or catch you going 101 mph.
The Phoenix fields are being asked to stay at or below 400 feet by the people who own the land, in those cases, the City of Phoenix. Right now the FAA has not enforcement tools to use. So they ask the landowner to require it as a condition of the lease. Been going on here in SOCAL for some time.
04-09-2011, 11:46 AM
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I would love to have a fuel gauge. It's not hard to keep an eye on the tank level in my cars, but planes do not facilitate such shenanigans. So I'd love to have a gas gauge. A tach and speedo would just be icing on the cake.
I'd really love the tach and speedo on the car though.
I'd really love the tach and speedo on the car though.
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This reminds me of 5 or so years ago when 2.4ghz was on the verge of going mainstream. "I can't imagine needing that." "I don't see the purpose." "I've been flying since 1962 and..." "If you can't be disciplined enough to..." and so on and so forth. Same arguments and stiff stances, with likely some of the same people making them. Convenience, utility, and market forces will work the same way this time as last time.
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This reminds me of 5 or so years ago when 2.4ghz was on the verge of going mainstream. ''I can't imagine needing that.'' ''I don't see the purpose.'' ''I've been flying since 1962 and...'' ''If you can't be disciplined enough to...'' and so on and so forth. Same arguments and stiff stances, with likely some of the same people making them. Convenience, utility, and market forces will work the same way this time as last time.
This reminds me of 5 or so years ago when 2.4ghz was on the verge of going mainstream. ''I can't imagine needing that.'' ''I don't see the purpose.'' ''I've been flying since 1962 and...'' ''If you can't be disciplined enough to...'' and so on and so forth. Same arguments and stiff stances, with likely some of the same people making them. Convenience, utility, and market forces will work the same way this time as last time.
I do not see them as the same thing. 2.4 SS is probably the best thing to happen to this hobby since servo reversing! It tangibly increased safety, eliminated the possibilities of being shot down and have significantly reduced losses due to interference. That is far different from knowing my RX pack voltage, exhaust gas temperature or in flight rpm.
Keep in mind that you can have in flight voltage and altitude and other parameters right now using the Eagle Tree and other systems. But I do not see people saying that it is an absolute must have. Now if the radio makers can include that feature at a reasonable cost, then more people may find it useful. But let's look 2 years down the road and see how many people are still using it on a regular basis.
Telemetry is a new gadget that is a value added feature, it is not an absolute requirement.