Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
05-23-2017, 02:12 PM
05-23-2017, 07:59 PM
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Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
05-23-2017, 09:59 PM
05-24-2017, 01:50 AM
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Sir; an excellent, though incorrect, answer. But please try again and here's a morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
05-24-2017, 05:18 AM
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Hydro Junkie and Top Gunn; I figured those two names would come up early on, but neither are the individual for whom we seek. An additional hint: There is a reason I have chosen to highlight this particular flyer; and it involves another flyer. And, of course, another clue to reward participation. Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
05-24-2017, 05:23 AM
Almost sounds like Vernor Voss, He was an Ace, experimented with engines from captured airplanes, evaluated new fighters, a biggie was the DR-1, and was a squadron leader. He was well respected by both sides. Not bad for a guy that didn't live pass 20 years of age!
05-24-2017, 06:30 AM
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Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
05-24-2017, 06:46 AM
OK that would sound like Oswald Boelcke. He joined the army in 1912 went to the air force in 1914 and is credited for being the father of the modern German Air Force.
Switching sides Lanoe Hawker joined the army in 13 transferred to RFC in 14 and went on to be the first RFC Ace and to innovate in the areas of gum mounts, ammunition feeds and a host of technical adaptions for airplanes. The Baron got him in 1916.
Switching sides Lanoe Hawker joined the army in 13 transferred to RFC in 14 and went on to be the first RFC Ace and to innovate in the areas of gum mounts, ammunition feeds and a host of technical adaptions for airplanes. The Baron got him in 1916.
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05-24-2017, 06:50 AM
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Sir; not Boelcke. But here's yet another bonus clue to keep you guessing. Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
05-24-2017, 10:16 AM
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Evening clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
05-24-2017, 08:30 PM
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Well, Hydro Junkie; if it sounds familiar it's probably because I'm sometimes not so smart. But maybe it isn't familiar? If I've ht the same subject twice, go ahead and solve it and save me from further embarrassing myself. But while I'm here, may as well leave another clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
8.Assigned to a fighter unit and flew with both of his relatives.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
8.Assigned to a fighter unit and flew with both of his relatives.
Last edited by Ernie P.; 05-25-2017 at 09:13 AM.
05-25-2017, 02:20 AM
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Morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
8.Assigned to a fighter unit and flew with both of his relatives.
9.On his first combat flight, one of the family members was killed.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
8.Assigned to a fighter unit and flew with both of his relatives.
9.On his first combat flight, one of the family members was killed.
05-25-2017, 09:16 AM
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Sir; you are correct and you are up. Wolfram was the third ace of the Richthofen family. However, I beg your indulgence. May I ask a follow-up question before you take the floor? Thanks; Ernie P.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
8.Assigned to a fighter unit and flew with both of his relatives.
9.On his first combat flight, one of the family members was killed.
10.He continued to fly; and became an ace.
11.After the war, he went to college and studied engineering.
12.Afterwards, he rejoined the military.
13.His other flying relative died in a flying accident.
14.Nevertheless, he persisted in his aviation career.
15.He served in a minor conflict, which allowed him to focus and hone his leadership skills.
16.He was focused on the importance of close air support to ground operations.
17.He was committed to the importance of improved communication between ground units and air units.
18.The tactics and improvements he helped bring about were key elements in the formation and operations of the air service.
19.His leadership, and the effectiveness of his air units, were key elements in several campaigns.
20.He again served on multiple fronts; rising to a position of high leadership.
21.His presence during the air combat described in (9) May well explain something that has baffled students of air combat for many years.
Answer: Wolfram von Richthofen
Wolfram Freiherr
[Notes 1] von Richthofen (10 October 1895 – 12 July 1945) was a German field marshal of the Luftwaffe (German Air Force) during the World War II. Born in 1895 into a family of the Prussian nobility, Richthofen grew up in prosperous surroundings. At the age of eighteen, after leaving school, he opted to join the German Army rather than choose an academic career, and joined the army's cavalry arm in 1913.On the outbreak of the First World War, Richthofen fought on the Western Front, winning the Iron Cross Second Class. In 1915 he was posted to the Eastern Front, where he stayed until 1917.
The Richthofen family produced several notable personalities that would become famous during the First War. His cousins, the brothers Lothar and Manfred von Richthofen both became flying aces and they encouraged him to join the Luftstreitkräfte (German Imperial Air Service). He did so, and joined Manfred's Geschwader (Wing), Jagdgeschwader 1 (Fighter Wing 1). Manfred, known as the Red Baron, was the highest scoring ace of the war, with 80 victories. On his first mission with his cousin, on 21 April 1918, Manfred was killed. Wolfram continued flying and went on to claim eight aerial victories before the armistice in November 1918. Lothar survived the war but was killed in a flying accident in 1922.
After the war Richthofen resumed civilian life after being discharged from the army. He studied Engineering at University before rejoining the Reichswehr, the German armed forces of the Weimar Republic era. In 1933 Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, and the Reichswehr was transformed into the Wehrmacht. Richthofen joined the new Luftwaffe. He also served as part of the Condor Legion which supported the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War. During this time, he recognised the need for close air support in military campaigns and championed the dive bomber, particularly the Junkers Ju 87Stuka.
He also believed in improving ground-air communications, which was put into effect in the Second World War, after his experiences in Spain and Poland. The combination of effective air-ground communications and powerful concentration of dive bombers would lead to personal success for Wolfram in the first half of the war. By 1941, a high standard of air to ground communications became a uniform facility in the Luftwaffe.When the Second World War broke out in September 1939, Richthofen commanded a specialised ground-attack air unit, Fliegerkorps VIII (8th Air Corps), first as a small active service unit in the Polish Campaign, and then as a full-sized Air Corps in Western Europe, from May to June 1940. The effectiveness of his units proved decisive at certain points in the French Campaign, particularly covering the German thrust to the English Channel. He was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross on 23 May 1940, in view of his achievements. He continued in frontline service during the Battle of Britain and the Balkans Campaign in 1940 and 1941.
Richthofen achieved his greatest success on the Eastern Front. In particular, he achieved notable success in the Crimean Campaigns during 1942. Despite offering vital tactical and operational support to Army Group South, after the defeat at the Battle of Stalingrad he was moved to the Mediterranean Theatre of Operations, where he commanded Luftwaffe forces in the Italian Campaign.
He remained in active service until late 1944, when he was retired on medical grounds. Soon after the capitulation of Germany in May 1945, he was taken prisoner by the United States Army, but on 12 July he died in captivity of a brain tumour.
Question: What warbird pilot do I describe?
Clues:
1.This famous warbird pilot was an ace.
2.But he was more famous as a military aviation innovator.
3.And even more famous as a military leader.
4.When he left school, he opted not to pursue a professional career, and joined the army.
5.He became a cavalry member before the war.
6.Fought on one front early in the war; then shifted to another front.
7.At the advice and urging of two distant family members, he then transferred to aviation rather late in the war.
8.Assigned to a fighter unit and flew with both of his relatives.
9.On his first combat flight, one of the family members was killed.
10.He continued to fly; and became an ace.
11.After the war, he went to college and studied engineering.
12.Afterwards, he rejoined the military.
13.His other flying relative died in a flying accident.
14.Nevertheless, he persisted in his aviation career.
15.He served in a minor conflict, which allowed him to focus and hone his leadership skills.
16.He was focused on the importance of close air support to ground operations.
17.He was committed to the importance of improved communication between ground units and air units.
18.The tactics and improvements he helped bring about were key elements in the formation and operations of the air service.
19.His leadership, and the effectiveness of his air units, were key elements in several campaigns.
20.He again served on multiple fronts; rising to a position of high leadership.
21.His presence during the air combat described in (9) May well explain something that has baffled students of air combat for many years.
Answer: Wolfram von Richthofen
Wolfram Freiherr
[Notes 1] von Richthofen (10 October 1895 – 12 July 1945) was a German field marshal of the Luftwaffe (German Air Force) during the World War II. Born in 1895 into a family of the Prussian nobility, Richthofen grew up in prosperous surroundings. At the age of eighteen, after leaving school, he opted to join the German Army rather than choose an academic career, and joined the army's cavalry arm in 1913.On the outbreak of the First World War, Richthofen fought on the Western Front, winning the Iron Cross Second Class. In 1915 he was posted to the Eastern Front, where he stayed until 1917.
The Richthofen family produced several notable personalities that would become famous during the First War. His cousins, the brothers Lothar and Manfred von Richthofen both became flying aces and they encouraged him to join the Luftstreitkräfte (German Imperial Air Service). He did so, and joined Manfred's Geschwader (Wing), Jagdgeschwader 1 (Fighter Wing 1). Manfred, known as the Red Baron, was the highest scoring ace of the war, with 80 victories. On his first mission with his cousin, on 21 April 1918, Manfred was killed. Wolfram continued flying and went on to claim eight aerial victories before the armistice in November 1918. Lothar survived the war but was killed in a flying accident in 1922.
After the war Richthofen resumed civilian life after being discharged from the army. He studied Engineering at University before rejoining the Reichswehr, the German armed forces of the Weimar Republic era. In 1933 Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, and the Reichswehr was transformed into the Wehrmacht. Richthofen joined the new Luftwaffe. He also served as part of the Condor Legion which supported the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War. During this time, he recognised the need for close air support in military campaigns and championed the dive bomber, particularly the Junkers Ju 87Stuka.
He also believed in improving ground-air communications, which was put into effect in the Second World War, after his experiences in Spain and Poland. The combination of effective air-ground communications and powerful concentration of dive bombers would lead to personal success for Wolfram in the first half of the war. By 1941, a high standard of air to ground communications became a uniform facility in the Luftwaffe.When the Second World War broke out in September 1939, Richthofen commanded a specialised ground-attack air unit, Fliegerkorps VIII (8th Air Corps), first as a small active service unit in the Polish Campaign, and then as a full-sized Air Corps in Western Europe, from May to June 1940. The effectiveness of his units proved decisive at certain points in the French Campaign, particularly covering the German thrust to the English Channel. He was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross on 23 May 1940, in view of his achievements. He continued in frontline service during the Battle of Britain and the Balkans Campaign in 1940 and 1941.
Richthofen achieved his greatest success on the Eastern Front. In particular, he achieved notable success in the Crimean Campaigns during 1942. Despite offering vital tactical and operational support to Army Group South, after the defeat at the Battle of Stalingrad he was moved to the Mediterranean Theatre of Operations, where he commanded Luftwaffe forces in the Italian Campaign.
He remained in active service until late 1944, when he was retired on medical grounds. Soon after the capitulation of Germany in May 1945, he was taken prisoner by the United States Army, but on 12 July he died in captivity of a brain tumour.
Last edited by Ernie P.; 05-25-2017 at 09:20 AM.
05-25-2017, 09:25 AM
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Thank you, Sir. Okay; my follow-up question, which should be pretty obviously the reason for the main question. We all know the Red Baron was killed in combat. He had gone after a novice British flyer named Taffy Mays. For some reason, the Baron broke his own rules in pursuing Mays; following him close to the ground over British lines. The Baron was killed, probably by ground fire from an Australian machine gunner; possibly by Roy Brown, an RAF flyer. The question: Why did the Red Baron chase Taffy Mays so determinedly? There have been many answers to that question; but I think one answer is a bit more obvious than the others. Thanks; Ernie P.
05-25-2017, 10:25 AM
Maybe Target Fixation... perhaps exacerbated by the Head wound (he was still suffering from the effects of it...)
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2004/09/18/4880.aspx
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2004/09/18/4880.aspx
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05-25-2017, 11:12 AM
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Perhaps because May, who was also on his first combat mission, had attacked Manfred von Richthofen's plane? The sources I've seen give May's nickname as "Wop." No idea why: his name was Wilfred.
Edit: I meant Wolfram, of course, not Manfred. I think FlyerInOKC has got it right.
Edit: I meant Wolfram, of course, not Manfred. I think FlyerInOKC has got it right.
Last edited by Top_Gunn; 05-25-2017 at 11:40 AM. Reason: Correct silly mistake