Dick,

I follow what are you saying. My question then becomes how do you determine 'watts needed'
I know it has to do with the weight of the model or the thrust needed? But not sure.

I regularly go with what works for other people so I never felt the need to explore this further.

Thanks,

Stratos.-

alright i want to place an order for a tensor today !!!! horizon or chief aircraft ... ?????

Don't order from them, call some hobby shops locally and get one. I found one in Michigan, and I know many HobbyTown USA dealers carry them, you can find all there numbers on the main website and just start calling. This way you know for a fact you have one and they can ship it to you. Mine should be here next week. Chief doesn't have them in stock right now although they say they do, they only got 2 in yesterday and had 200 backordered (or some rediculous number).

Also, I cancelled my order with Horizon as they just in the past day moved the backorder date till mid January. Let me know if you find any in stock or need help.

I got mine today from a not so local HS. A friend was driving there to pick one up and told him to give me a call
if they had another one. He did and I end up getting the tensor, the 1360 Eflight motor, 2 2 cell apogee 1050 packs, a couple 10x4.7 props
and a Jeti 8 controler. They didn't have the Phx 10 in stock but the Jeti should work just as well.
I have servos and a receiver at home so it should be ready to fly soon.

Stratos.-

foundone at a local hobby shop .. there holding it tomarow for me

I am a newbie to the outrunners etc in electric. I also ahve the tensor w/ 1360 outrunner
I had some 3cell 730 packs gave to me for early xmas b/c i was originally going witht he 1080kv motor
is it ok to run this pack on the 1360 as long as i watch my throttle??
thanks
Chris

I know the Thunderpower 3S 730s are good for 7.3 Amps continuous and even more in bursts. I am not sure how much that motor will pull but I would say your safe as long as your careful with the throttle. The Axi 2208/34 setup I will be running is going to push 10 amps at full throttle, so I'll be pushing the speed controller, motor, and batteries.

Santa showed early

8 hours start to finish and I build sloooww.

Axi 2212/34
APC 11-3.8
4.4 servos
Castle 10

I like it. Rolls well, good elevator, made to knife edge.

Pic of the test flight at 8 pm, 34 degrees (and thats cold for us Texas boys)

what was your final weight ??? .. cant wait to get mine

Hey Dick Hanson,
Were you using a two cell or three cell pack on that Himax 2808? I have the 2808-980 and not sure which packs to get. I have several of the larger three cell packs but nothing for the 2808.
Thanks,, Matt

Is anybody adding a second aileron servo so more flaperon/snap flaperon/spoileron, etc.. mixing can be done or is it just not needed with this airplane?

on the origonal prototype that mr hicks himself flew .. i believe that he was flying with two serves and i remember hearing some stuff about it making some interesting mixing functions....

On the 2808- 860---I have tried everything from 11x4.7-to present setup 9x4.7 -APC sf all .on up to 15 oz Tribute!
for the best use of this motor - stay under 10 ozs - (my plane is just under 8 ozs.)
Then -you get super performance on th 9" prop on 3 small cells - I flew the new 3/1-350P-J Multiplex 3 cell pack today - one ounce!
flight first flight with this packwas easily over 5 minutes with plenty of performance-on a 9x5 APC - the 9x4/7 is better .
My first motor setups were with the 11x4.7 and these pull the motor too hard for best power and battery uses.
Your motor wil run either pack but it is wound for two cells in general use.
I really like this motor -my little 208 sq in Cassut is very quick when punched - .
I will build (?) my Tensor after Christms - I got one for my son and he got me one --
a TP 850 two cell will work -but I really prefer the 3 cell setups - most of my flying is done outdoors so I need more power for wind penetration.
I can't stress weight control enough - I can easily tell the difference in flying a one ounce or a 3 ounce pack -
Youcan do th Tensor at 9+ ounces and it will be fine .
These planes do fly rather differently -compared to most 3D monoplanes -so be prepared to mix and rebalance a bit o get a good feel .
I love this size/weight model -It will still work outside in a faint breeze although it's real forte is indoor flying.

Dick and Crew:

Just picked up the EFligh Outrunner 1360. For $50.00 it's hard to pass up. I'm going to try it with the 2c 860 Pack Mike recommended. HS was out of the Phoenix 10 controllers and batteries. Have HS-55s for installation. Hopefully those meet the quality spec. It's such a "cute" little motor. ;-) Compared to the big gassers I play with most of the time this is a blast.

Can't wait to get it all together and give it a shot.

Regards,
Lee Snover

I have Tensorsw, Tributes , Ultimates, Mini Funtana, E-flite 370 and 400's and both outrunners, Caslte Phoenix 10's 25, Lipolys, chargers and you name it at the best price3s anywhere so give me a call at 479 410 2863 or come to Modeltronics in Van Buren , AR. [email protected]

Just got the Tensor 4D. First of all Eflite tells you that we made it wrong and that you must do a mess of things differently in order to build your plane. The materials supplied, such as the pushrods, are suppose to be made out of CF and music wire that you wrap and then glue together. Come on guys, solid CF rod with EZ connectors on each end. Simple, strong and effective. You are suppose to glue the servos in place, makes repair or removal easy! The CF rods, the 6 1/4" ones, are not long enough to go through the fuse as required. So now you either have a warped wing or you cannot glue the rods as needed. This is as far as I have gotten tonight on her. I am dreading to see how I am suppose to mount the power system.
I have built both the Little Ultimate Bipe and the Tribute. Both fly like sh_t. The Ultimate is so sensitive in the pitch axis that it is almost uncontollable. When I called Horizon thier rep told me that it was due to the wrong speend controller. I guess that a Phoenix speed controll was giving me a mixed elevator input???? Won't Castle Creations love to hear that Horizon claims that you cannot use thier equipment in the Eflite seris of planes.
The Tribute is so flimsy, the wings flap to the point that they broke out of the fuse. This is due to the design of the fuse. You have a CF rod running through the fuse for reinforcement, it is taped in place, and you are supose to glue the wing to this tape. Boy, that sure is going to hold up real well. I also tried to speak to Horizon on this and I was once again told that I was nuts. They actually told me that there was no tape on the airplane.
This to Horizon, if you guys want to build and sell these things, don't you think that you shoul stand behind them? You really need to listen to the customers that use your products.
Oh, and by the way, this Tensor is the b_tt ugliest thing i have ever seen!

Sounds like I have the same problem with the Ultimate.
Here is your ultimate that doesn't fly worth a hoot, using a Castle Creations Phoenix 10

Here is my review of the Tensor, with photos and a flight report, again with photos.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312315

tlrascal:

Thanks for the advert. Anyone here that can vouch for tlrascal?

Do you have a website?

Thanks,
Lee Snover

well i was sapose to get my tensr today but ...... the hobby shop was sapose to have two set aside for somone else and only set one aside for him and had to give him two so they gave him mine to .. but ill have one out of the next batch of them but who knows how long that will be [:@]

Well i get my motor in Today from Chief, 2nd day air on wed, only 8 bucks, reasonable since it would take months for Horizon to send one!!!!!! I'll have a flight report soon, haha!!! The only problem that i had was the single for the ailerons, i think i will eventually go with dual aileron servos for the mixing capabilities, heck thats why i bought a 9 channel radio!!!!!

p47,
Not liking the first 2 planes didn't stop you from getting the Tensor, even if it is as butt ugly as you state.
I have mine and I can't wait to put it together!

By the way, my little Ultimate flies pretty darn good, IMHO.

Ken

I wouldn't dare adding another servo..fly it stock first...keep it light, box stock is perfect.
Got flights 8, 9 and 10 today...unbelieveable!

I agree with you. If I have two bad expriences with a manufactor, I'm not going to buy a third product from them, especially if it's "the b_tt ugliest thing i have ever seen" as he stated. Pictures of the Tensor are all over the place, it's not like he didn't know what it looked like. He also states "First of all Eflite tells you that we made it wrong and that you must do a mess of things differently in order to build your plane". I guess what he's mumbling about is the addendum sheet that's included in the kit. It's quite normal for a kit to have an addendum sheet. If he's an exprienced modeler he knows this. You have to wonder what his "real" motivation was in his post. I'm learning in these forums that people have many different agendas. One thing I've learned in my short time here is that there are more "know it alls" here than anywhere I've ever been. The purpose of these forums as I see it is to share information, ideas, and knowledge. It has been somewhat difficult for me to take advice online, not knowing if the advice comes from someone truly knowledgeable or from a guy like p47.

Now on to the positive stuff. I opened a box under the tree tonight and lo and behold there was a Tensor and E-flight outrunner motor!!! Suprise, surprise!!!
The hardest part is with family over here tonight, I can't start building, and with Christmas tomorrow and traveling I can't start building until Sunday evening. . . I really, really love my family, grandkids and all, but. . . LOL!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!