I am on my second turmoil ,I must say i learned a bunch of tricks from the first one.As far as the control sufaces popping on and off easily you can forget it,The little horns break too easily,The pushrodes are way too thin,They bend and flex too much the little supports that are suppose to help didnt work for me,so i glued some extra wings support rods to the aileron and elevator pushrods ,They are very sturdy now,And if you say you can build this plane in 2 hours your lying! I would love to see who built it in 2 hours ,I have to say this was my very first r/c airplane,and i know i was crazy for starting with something like this but at 19.99 a plane im not worried about it.That being said my second plane is much prettier than the first one! And i really like it,You just better take all the time needed to build it.I even glued the wing on upside down on the first one!! Lmao!..If it wasnt for realflight g3 i would have buried this plane in the ground right off the bat,But i handlaunched for the first flight and everything went well, the plane fly's really well.Good luck.

BDavison, thanks for the tip, but I have already done that, using dental floss and Ca. Now I'm just waiting to find the next weak area. All in all the Reflection has held up better than the Turmoil. The Turmoil has a habit of breaking the horizotal fusalage plate right behind the wing on a rough landing, I've had to repair that a couple of times. Usually if you hit hard with the Reflection you just pop an aileron off. Then again, we haven't put the Reflection straight in hard, will have to wait to see what happens then.

Anyone agree with what i said above?

www.3dfoamy.com , thats all you need to know.

I spent a tad more and got the balsa foam one well built lots od dovetail type joints and a real wing
seen the flatouts they're ok but but for a few more bucks you can have wood
read the review it's really a nice plane

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/extra330.htm

Simply stated stay away from flatouts. If you build them correctly they fly ok not great by any means, if anyone would like to tell me im inexperienced builder if you have 35+ foamies built under your belt. if you dont believe me i worked at a hobby shop and part of my job was to test out new planes. i will be glad to talk to you. they just do NOT perform like others of similar cost and size. i fly with some of my regions best pilots and now a single one enjoys their flight characteristics. why spend all that time doing little tweaks here and there to only make it fly good when you could take the same amount of time and make an airplane GREAT!!

I was at my LHS and asked about foam-safe CA and accelerator.

I was told that they use ordinary accelerator for the CA, not to bother with 'special' accelerator.

Can anyone comment on this? Should regular accelerators be avoided or are they OK to use??

I don't see where there should be anything special about foam-safe accelerators, but thought I'd ask.

Bob

N1EDM, So far I've used three or four different accelerators with foam safe CA, all seem to work about the same and so far none have harmed the foam or finish. I would say you LHS is giving it to you straight.
hobbydude214, maybe none of your regions best pilots like the flight charectistics of the Flatouts, but John Glezellis seems to really like the Reflection quite a bit and thats good enough for me. If any of your friends can outfly John Glezellis in a contest, then I'll start listening to their opinion. Opinions are easily given out, but valid ones are backed up by results. John is one of the few that can equal or beat Quique Somenzini, that would qualify his opinions as worth listening to. As for my opinion, which anyone can take or leave, the Relection is a very good flying foamy. It's very honest flying, with almost no coupling in any axis. It crashes reasonably well, and repairs easily. Anyone doughting it's abilitys should download the 2005 Etoc vidio of Sean McMurtry's prototype flying. It flew as well or better than anything else there, certainly better than the winners flight. My son can easily reproduce almost all the manuevers that Sean did at the 2005 Etoc with our stock and rather overweight, by Etoc standards, Reflections.

Personally, no Flatouts. Nothing against them, but they are too thin. I would go with an E-flite Tribute or Ultimate (Profile). I have both and they both fly GREAT!!! (I like my Ultimate a little better, though.)

Or, go for an E-flite Yak. I am on my 2nd. Great flying foamy!!!! It does a Knife Edge perfectly.

Allen,

Thanks for the information. And, as for John Glezellis, I second your opinion. He flies at my field, and we always stop to watch him practice. A real gentleman, too. Takes after his dad, Peter.

Bob

In my opinion they are pretty much the cheapest built foamy on the market. I am not going to say that they fly like crap or anything like that, but I have seen them literally fall apart during flight and on simple landings. They are just good designs sent to China to be made as cheap as possible. I would avoid them like the plague.

Nathan

Stange, we fly our Reflections and Turmoils pretty hard when outdoors, doing multiple snap rolls over and over, blenders from two hundred feet, waterfalls under full power and we have not had a single inflight failure yet. The Turmoil is slightly weak horizintally, we cured that by running three or four strands of dental floss along the horizontal fusalage pieces, held in place with thin CA. Haven't cracked a horizontal fus piece since, except for some really hard crashs, and then nothing that wasn't repairablt with a little CA. I still have my first Turmoil that was built over six months ago, it has been flow a lot and is getting a little doggy looking, but it is still flyable. So far the only trouble we have had with the Reflections it that they won't stand a verticle crash onto concrete. I'm still looking for the plane that will do that.