This is a 2 minute video of some basic 3D. It's a little cloudy so the video is a little dark.

Engine: Moki 1.8
Fuel: 5%
Prop: Bambula 18x8
CG: H9's recommendation (Well Nose Heavy)
Weight: 13.5lbs (What a PIG!)

I'll listen to any advice on lightening her up. I'd like to loose at least 1.5lbs pounds so it will fly better 3D.

http://www.3dbatix.com/videos/edgefull.wmv

Besides it being a little on the heavy side how does it fly?

Nice Blenders....
It looks like it flies nice for 3d and other aerobatics.

It flies pretty good. It would be competitive for basic/sportsman IMAC. It sinks like hell when it's inverted though, it's nose heavy, my incidence meter shows all 0 and thrust line is 0. Should be able to fix nose heavy problem when I change to CF gear and lite flite wheels and change to a plastic spinner, change the all metal gear throttle servo to a mini servo. I don't understand how some people using ZDZ-40 only weights 12.5lbs.

Mecam,remember what they say,believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear(read),especially on this site.
Mike

I was planning to build mine with a ZDZ40 and my calculated weight including an allowance of some 8 ounces for glue and little things was about 12.75lbs and was even going to use dual 5975s in the tail on elevator so I think its possible to see one at 12.5lbs.

I bought CF gear and chopped out some wood from the fuse but never really got into building the plane and then I sold the ZDZ so I dont know for sure if I would have met my calculations. Now I think the ZDZ would have been too heavy anyway so I'll prolly build mine with a Saito 180 at some point and shoot for about 11lbs.

Mecam do you know how the Edge would balance with the 180 and two 2 ounce servos under the canopy, you said its noseheavy for you right?

We have a guy at our field who flies it with a Saito 180 and a smoke pump. He is setup with stock configuration with the servos in the fuse. His flies pretty good but never saw him do any 3D, just flying around. I have two elevator servos mounted on the tail to get a 50 degree throw for better flat spins and it's still nose heavy. I measure 1/4" forward than what the manual shows at I think 4-1/2" so I'm at 4-1/4".

Damn, thats bad news mecam.

One thing I would most certainly look at replacing on the edge is that awful 7 once horizon hobby metal engine mount. Anyone know of something else that will take a Saito 180?

Filip

Damn, that H9 mount is 7oz??? I think I should change that also to Nylon. I heard the Kange Cap232 flies awesome 3D with the Saito 180 @ 10.5lbs. IMO the Saito180 is not enough for the H9 Edge.

Yep 7 ounces... It must be depleted uranuim or something.

Here is what I did with the hatch. All that dremeling removed only 1 ounce, but hey thats a free throttle servo.

cool video when is part II coming!

After I do major lightening surgery. I'm gonna try to get her down to 12lbs.

Mecam please let us know how it goes. I have a hangar 9 edge as well that I'm still trying to figure out what engine to place in there. I really wanted to go with the new zdz 40 b. I thought that at 3.875lbs, it might work but i really don't know for sure. I've heard of people that have them in there but i haven't seen anyone doing real 3d with this combo. But then again i haven't seen anyone doing REAL 3d (torque rolls 5 ft off the deck, elevators down to the deck and flowing into rolling harriers,slow high alpha knife edge,etc) with a H9 Edge of any combo.
It sure would be nice to see your buddy Zak doing some of these moves with the edge. If i have to go with the saito 180 so be it , But i sure wish i had another cheap option (15.00/Gal ahhhhhhh).

sal98, I'm hoping to get her down to 12lbs and hopefully it flies better 3D. Zak, had this plane a year ago with a Moki 2.10, never really saw him do 3D with this plane but he said it does not fly like the DP Extra. The DP flies bigger, slower, and easier for 3D. DP is sending him the DP Edge as soon as it comes out and we will see how that performs. With the Saito 180, they recommend 30% for 3D so that is $30.00 a gallon.

a buddy has a h9 540 with a os 1.6 and it wieghs 13 bls. It really doesnt feel that heavy in the air. The cg was at 4 inch when i flew it so not a hole lot of anything was tryed. It took about 3/4 down elevator to keep it from falling when inverted. Watching the video the 2.1 really pulls this plane around! The 1.6 does ok but its not tuned yet. This thing has a metal motor mount???? Gonna have to look in to it. Any way, the cg got moved to 4.5 and as soon as the weather breaks we will get some more flights on it.
Might be able to get it down to 12.5. will have to look in to it.

As far as i can tell from looking at other guys planes here and on the market the h9 540 is pretty lite for its size. Maybe im wrong.

hey , mecam keep up th e great work on the video's i really enjoy watching them on the 3dbatix web site. by the way kinda off the subject but did that dave patrick extra fly that good out of the box (so ta speak)
Chad

im going to try and get mine in at under 12 lbs with a moki 1.8 and some carbon fiber

MECAM

KEEP US INFORMED I'AM GOING TO PUT A MOKI 2.10 IN MINE JUST BOUGHT IT TODAY. MINE WEIGHED 13 LBS WITH A OS 1.60 IN IT. GOING TO ADD A HALF POUND WITH THE 2.10. GOTTA GO ON A DIET TOO

Mine is 12lbs with a gasser and still rubbish for 3D.... the model itself is hardly any good for 3D.... tried all different CG's.. settles on the hingleline at tip.

www.aeroforce.co.uk/freestyle ... go to the edge page for videos and pics... i have some more vids to go on there shortly.

We need to find a nylon engine mount that will take 160-180 motors, who sells something like that?

Yes the DP Extra is stock! DP builds them really good and light. The newer version suppose to be 1.5lbs lighter.

The only nylon mount I can find that might fit the Moki is by FUNKEY or Yellow Aircraft. There is also an alluminum by JTEC for Moki's and that weights 3.9oz, the original Moki round back plate is 4.6oz. These are a lot better than H9's 7oz. mount.

Welsh3D, how did you get yours to 12Lbs? and with a gasser? Which Gas engine?? I know the moki 1.8 is like 4.3lbs.
The plane is an OK 3Der, just gotta get it ligher. Harriers and elevators are pretty cool with spoileron mixing. My biggest problem is the power to weight ratio, my plane is 13.5lbs and the moki only produces an 18.3lbs thrust.

MOKI 2.10 25 LBS OF THRUST

46.0 OZS

can someone post the address for jtec

thanks

don't get me wrong here fellows but the moki 2.10 is not that much stronger than the 1.80 we had 2 of the same airplanes one with a 1.80 and one with a 2.10 the 2.10 did not pull out of a hover any better than the 1.80 . you have to think about that extra 5 oz. you have to get moving with the 2.10. we had a 22 x6 prop on the 2.10 and a 20x6 on the 1.80. the best prop on both engines we changed alot of props on both. what the manafacture advertiseses and what it actually is , is another story. we also had a 21x10 mejelick prop on the 2.10 it swang that prop at 7800 , so i deceided to put it on the 1.80 it swang it at 7500 rpm. i did not see the difference in the 2 engines both were almost equal other than the 2.10 wieghting more. just my opions i love the moki engines
Chad

http://www.jtecrc.com/

You can order the parts from www.sheldonshobbies.com and the mount cost $27.99 (model# JT-MK150P)